Coach Tuesday Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Somehow missed this article during the regular season. Anonymous front office execs were polled by ESPN about the most analytically-minded franchises and Buffalo ranked as the 3rd highest level of analytical work product. Dennis Lock, the Bills’ Director of Football Research and Strategy, got a call-out as someone who might get a big front office job some day. Thought this was really interesting considering Beane and Schoen basically built the analytics program from scratch when they got here. And it’s a reason Schoen was such an attractive GM candidate for a team like the Giants after their Stone Age approach to team-building under Gettleman. Anyhow, apologies if this was posted back in the fall, if so I just missed it and thought it was worth a thread given Schoen’s departure. 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Somehow missed this article during the regular season. Anonymous front office execs were polled by ESPN about the most analytically-minded franchises and Buffalo ranked as the 3rd highest level of analytical work product. Dennis Lock, the Bills’ Director of Football Research and Strategy, got a call-out as someone who might get a big front office job some day. Thought this was really interesting considering Beane and Schoen basically built the analytics program from scratch when they got here. And it’s a reason Schoen was such an attractive GM candidate for a team like the Giants after their Stone Age approach to team-building under Gettleman. Anyhow, apologies if this was posted back in the fall, if so I just missed it and thought it was worth a thread given Schoen’s departure. 3 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryS Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Kinda underwhelming. There were 3 questions asked about ranking teams' analytics, and the Bills didn't get mentioned for 2 of the 3 questions, and on the third question, the Bills got 2 votes which gave them third place. Most of it is just praising the Browns for their analytics. And if they keep Baker Mayfield this offseason, then screw their analytics. They suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Robust analytics department at work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 The Browns overwhelmingly winning every category tells me one thing, strong analytics don't work 😄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: The Browns overwhelmingly winning every category tells me one thing, strong analytics don't work 😄 It's not the size of the analytics, it's how you use it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Analytics? What kinda bullhockey will they come up with next? Edited January 22, 2022 by ChevyVanMiller 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I was wondering where we ranked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DJB Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 4:59 PM, LeGOATski said: It's not the size of the analytics, it's how you use it. My GF keeps telling me that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 4:45 PM, ArtVandalay said: The Browns overwhelmingly winning every category tells me one thing, strong analytics don't work 😄 Maybe they need analytics on their use of analytics 😂. I honestly think analytics has a more impactful place in other sports like Hockey where each player has more of a role, and you can derive possession numbers, transition numbers, etc. I feel like in football the eye test is a bit more effective/prominent, but there certainly is room for analytics as a tool for evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 4:36 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Robust analytics department at work Whaley on EJ Manuel "He's got that "it" factor"! yeah that "I wouldn't touch It with a 10 ft pole!" factor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/23/2022 at 5:57 AM, harryS said: Kinda underwhelming. There were 3 questions asked about ranking teams' analytics, and the Bills didn't get mentioned for 2 of the 3 questions, and on the third question, the Bills got 2 votes which gave them third place. Most of it is just praising the Browns for their analytics. And if they keep Baker Mayfield this offseason, then screw their analytics. They suck. Hunh? There are five questions asked about ranking teams analytics. And one of them was asking about the worst, so you didn't want to be mentioned. Of the four questions asking about positives, the Bills got ranked third in one and fourth in another and not mentioned in the other two questions (only three teams were mentioned in one and only six in the other. Everyone ranked Cleveland and Baltimore first and second. Both good teams, though it's hard to figure the Browns QB situation at this point. After that nobody was an obvious third, but the Bills probably come in 3rd or 4th overall. On 1/23/2022 at 6:45 AM, ArtVandalay said: The Browns overwhelmingly winning every category tells me one thing, strong analytics don't work 😄 I get you're half-joking here, but that's not the takeaway. The takeaway is that analytics isn't everything, but like other facets, if you do it well, it helps, including the performances of other facets of that team's game. The top four teams in that survey were definitely Cleveland, Baltimore and probably Buffalo and Indy. All good teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark80 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Are there analytics to rate analytics teams? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 4:45 PM, ArtVandalay said: The Browns overwhelmingly winning every category tells me one thing, strong analytics don't work 😄 I’m told they’re good at massaging the numbers 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 5:00 PM, ChevyVanMiller said: Analytics? What kinda bullhockey will they come up with next? Boss Hogg don’t need no analytics! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 5:00 PM, ChevyVanMiller said: Analytics? What kinda bullhockey will they come up with next? I miss the legend that is Buddy! Where is he these days??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 2:19 PM, Coach Tuesday said: Somehow missed this article during the regular season. Anonymous front office execs were polled by ESPN about the most analytically-minded franchises and Buffalo ranked as the 3rd highest level of analytical work product. Dennis Lock, the Bills’ Director of Football Research and Strategy, got a call-out as someone who might get a big front office job some day. Thought this was really interesting considering Beane and Schoen basically built the analytics program from scratch when they got here. And it’s a reason Schoen was such an attractive GM candidate for a team like the Giants after their Stone Age approach to team-building under Gettleman. Anyhow, apologies if this was posted back in the fall, if so I just missed it and thought it was worth a thread given Schoen’s departure. If you are going to build an analytics department, it makes sense to build it from scratch so you don't have to worry about any of the old stuff and how to use it or if it even fits or how you need to tweak it and just build it the way you want from the ground up. Often times it is much easier to do it that way. Take it from me as a software engineer that I would much rather build something from scratch than get stuck with a bunch of stuff that needs to be changed a lot to be useable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 4 hours ago, DJB said: My GF keeps telling me that. Should make you wonder when she’s trying so hard to convince you about you’re “analytics”, wink wink. That was funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 2:19 PM, Coach Tuesday said: Somehow missed this article during the regular season. Anonymous front office execs were polled by ESPN about the most analytically-minded franchises and Buffalo ranked as the 3rd highest level of analytical work product. Dennis Lock, the Bills’ Director of Football Research and Strategy, got a call-out as someone who might get a big front office job some day. Thought this was really interesting considering Beane and Schoen basically built the analytics program from scratch when they got here. And it’s a reason Schoen was such an attractive GM candidate for a team like the Giants after their Stone Age approach to team-building under Gettleman. Anyhow, apologies if this was posted back in the fall, if so I just missed it and thought it was worth a thread given Schoen’s departure. Yep, I remember reading this when the Bills were going to be embarking upon their new analytics program and how it was being built from the ground up. Glad to see that it has been paying off for us, yet another feather in the cap for Beane/McDermott and what they have built for this Bills franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Analytics aren’t something new. They’ve been using analytics in some form for decades. I’m glad we made a commitment to the program, and it’s how McD uses it in games, and Beane in selections of players meeting McD’s requests for what they mutually believe will work to improve the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Analytics aren’t something new. They’ve been using analytics in some form for decades. I’m glad we made a commitment to the program, and it’s how McD uses it in games, and Beane in selections of players meeting McD’s requests for what they mutually believe will work to improve the team. First time hearing about "analytics" was watching North Dallas Forty as a kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: First time hearing about "analytics" was watching North Dallas Forty as a kid. Thats funny as he gets teased by some on this board as he is getting senile now and needs to get off NFLR, but HOF Gil Brandt was known for using analytics in the 60’s and 70’s for the Cowboys. It’s well documented by other people he was an innovator back then just like Paul Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Thats funny as he gets teased by some on this board as he is getting senile now and needs to get off NFLR, but HOF Gil Brandt was known for using analytics in the 60’s and 70’s for the Cowboys. It’s well documented by other people he was an innovator back then just like Paul Allen. Who is Paul Allen? Co-founder of Microsoft fame, or of American Psycho fame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, boater said: Who is Paul Allen? Co-founder of Microsoft fame, or of American Psycho fame? I’m sorry Boater, it must have auto corrected, George Allen. He was a pioneer in the 70’s and earlier. He coached the Rams and Redskins. Edited June 4, 2022 by machine gun kelly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 7 hours ago, wppete said: I miss the legend that is Buddy! Where is he these days??? I called him earlier. He was napping.. 💤 😴 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I’m sorry Boater, it must have auto corrected, George Allen. He was a pioneer in the 70’s and earlier. He coached the Rams and Redskins. I googled George. An impressive record. He coached college, NFL, USFL and CFL. I think he stands unique in that achievement alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Sure, he was innovative and Bill Walsh credited learning a lot of his tenets of coaching from Allen. He was ahead of the game in analytics, and how he was ahead of his time in offensive schemes. 42 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I called him earlier. He was napping.. 💤 😴 That old coot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Analytics are only as good as the guys using them,and I say that as a math teacher, because all MLB teams crunch the numbers the same but some teams can find ways to use that to make a good team, regardless of salary. In football you need your vision and then to find what stats help build that team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 50 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I called him earlier. He was napping.. 💤 😴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, boater said: I googled George Allen. An impressive record. He coached college, NFL, USFL and CFL. I think he stands unique in that achievement alone. Coincidentally Bills HOF Coach Marv Levy is a George Allen protege and like Allen was a Head Coach in college and all three pro leagues. In college he was head coach at New Mexico, Cal, and William and Mary. In the pros Levy was head coach for the NFL's Kansas City Chiefs, the CFL's Montreal Alouettes, and the USFL's Chicago Blitz before getting the head job in Buffalo in 1986. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: I’m sorry Boater, it must have auto corrected, George Allen. He was a pioneer in the 70’s and earlier. He coached the Rams and Redskins. 1 hour ago, boater said: I googled George. An impressive record. He coached college, NFL, USFL and CFL. I think he stands unique in that achievement alone. Think his "slogan" was "The future is now" as he was also famous for trading away draft picks like they were candy for vets. LOL Must be something about coaching the Rams though from what I recall, he was more known for trading them away when coaching Redskins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Coincidentally Bills HOF Coach Marv Levy is a George Allen protege and like Allen was a Head Coach in college and all three pro leagues. In college he was head coach at New Mexico, Cal, and William and Mary. In the pros Levy was head coach for the NFL's Kansas City Chiefs, the CFL's Montreal Alouettes, and the USFL's Chicago Blitz before getting the head job in Buffalo in 1986. Thanks. I was not aware that Marv had USFL experience. Marv was a learned and well rounded man for certain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, boater said: Thanks. I was not aware that Marv had USFL experience. Marv was a learned and well rounded man for certain. Boater, check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Pardee John Perry Pardee (April 19, 1936 – April 1, 2013) was an American football linebacker and the only head coach to helm a team in college football, the National Football League (NFL), the United States Football League (USFL), the World Football League (WFL), and the Canadian Football League (CFL). Pardee was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame as a player in 1986. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 8 hours ago, boater said: Thanks. I was not aware that Marv had USFL experience. Marv was a learned and well rounded man for certain. Boater, you’ve helped add to an interesting conversation as Allen never had a losing record. He stood toe to toe against the vaunted Dolphins and Cowboys and won some of those games. He turned around the Rams who had 8 losing seasons and made them a winner. One of the nice things on this board is each of us can add to other conversations on the history of the NFL. Brandt was doing old fashioned analytics in the 60’s. He helped Landry win a couple of SBs in the 70’s and at least get there a couple more times, but just couldn’t beat the Steelers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 So the Analytics say the Bills are good at Analytics... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 9:35 AM, Watkins101 said: Maybe they need analytics on their use of analytics 😂. I honestly think analytics has a more impactful place in other sports like Hockey where each player has more of a role, and you can derive possession numbers, transition numbers, etc. I feel like in football the eye test is a bit more effective/prominent, but there certainly is room for analytics as a tool for evaluation. Agree, what comes to mind for me every time the word analytics is used, “ he gets on base” 😁👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 How would any one analytics staff know so much about all other teams' analytics staff and use of analytics? How can the Browns be at the top of multiple lists--is is because they simply have the biggest analytics staff? Their decision making, as a team, has been chaotic for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 The over dependence on analytics kinda ruined sports for me. Takes the heart out of the game. That being said I'm not anti-analytics. But rather all this extreme over dependence on them 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How can the Browns be at the top of multiple lists--is is because they simply have the biggest analytics staff? Their decision making, as a team, has been chaotic for years. Well imo then that shows analytics certainly doesn’t account for communication skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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