Chaos Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 That must have really hurt them to have to admit that. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Please, Spagnola, blitz away! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: That must have really hurt them to have to admit that. Most of the PFF’s were forced into admitting they were incorrect on evaluating Josh’s potential. Funny how Josh proved just about everything negative they said about him to be untrue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Please, Spagnola, blitz away! Literally just read a chiefs fan say "can't wait for spags to rush him and then wonder why it didn't work" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 i read on chiefs planet that he absolutely buckles under pressure..... so i'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: i read on chiefs planet that he absolutely buckles under pressure..... so i'm confused. Yeah, well, the Cheaters board thought they were going to run for over 200 yards again, so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Sometimes he invites pressure. He’s the Master of Chaos. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) Defensive coordinators have to pick their poison, either drop everyone back into coverage and give Allen time to pick them apart from the pocket, or rush Allen and try to force him into making a mistake or taking a sack all the while hoping he doesn't break containment and run for 30 yards. I honestly don't know what a defense can do. The guy is a unicorn. It's like Belichick said, Josh Allen is a problem. Edited January 20, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Josh has pocket presence and athleticism that will destroy and tire a Dline, Speed as fast or faster than Linebackers and a body built to punish Defensive backs who dare tackle him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Just now, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: Josh has pocket presence and athleticism that will destroy and tire a Dline, Speed as fast or faster than Linebackers and a body built to punish Defensive backs who dare tackle him. And LBs. And DL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Are we all taking enough time out to truly appreciate this? I could go through the quest we've had since Kelly, but everyone knows it. I mean, we had a friggin' debate about Edwards vs. Losman. It was a long wait. But man, it really paid off. It's actually realistic that Allen could be in the GOAT conversation in 10 years (and no, I'm not predicting that - but it's not crazy). 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Success said: I mean, we had a friggin' debate about Edwards vs. Losman. And don't forget the debate about Flutie versus Johnson! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Success said: Are we all taking enough time out to truly appreciate this? I could go through the quest we've had since Kelly, but everyone knows it. I mean, we had a friggin' debate about Edwards vs. Losman. It was a long wait. But man, it really paid off. It's actually realistic that Allen could be in the GOAT conversation in 10 years (and no, I'm not predicting that - but it's not crazy). Wasn't there a Kelly Holcomb vs Losman debate in around 2005 or 2006 before Trent the dink and dunker came around? Ironically, I believe Edwards and Losman both ended up as backups or 3rd stringers on the Raiders for a short time. And didn't EJ also? Or was he on the Broncos? But that is a great point about Josh Allen, looking at it in the big picture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Wasn't there a Kelly Holcomb vs Losman debate in around 2005 or 2006 before Trent the dink and dunker came around? Ironically, I believe Edwards and Losman both ended up as backups or 3rd stringers on the Raiders for a short time. And didn't EJ also? Or was he on the Broncos? But that is a great point about Josh Allen, looking at it in the big picture. Yes! We did have that debate. Kelly Holcomb! For the record, I was Team Holcomb. It's amazing to think about that now. I can't remember where EJ ended up. I talked myself into him being "the guy", too. I even had a week where I was all in on Tuel (until that pick 6 against KC - they're getting payback for that on Sunday). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 58 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Most of the PFF’s were forced into admitting they were incorrect on evaluating Josh’s potential. Funny how Josh proved just about everything negative they said about him to be untrue Maybe he has a bad list from PFF and he is systematically eliminating from the list. Now if we can add PFF Queen Chris Collinsworth to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Success said: Yes! We did have that debate. Kelly Holcomb! For the record, I was Team Holcomb. It's amazing to think about that now. I can't remember where EJ ended up. I talked myself into him being "the guy", too. I even had a week where I was all in on Tuel (until that pick 6 against KC - they're getting payback for that on Sunday). And I can't wait to see what Brian Brohm can do. He was highly rated coming out of Louisville, you know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Still not good enough for the Pro Bowl....sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: And don't forget the debate about Flutie versus Johnson! I think my favorite debate was Thad Lewis vs. EJ Manuel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: I think my favorite debate was Thad Lewis vs. EJ Manuel. Mine was whether or not EJ actually meant to hit the concession tent in training camp. ...second thought, it may have been whether or not Uncle Rico could actually throw a football over a mountain. ...or whether or not Uncle Rico could be thrown off of a mountain after "the slide". Edited January 20, 2022 by transient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: He sometimes moves in the pocket when he doesn't need to, wasting motion etc. However, it seems to work for him. Fixed that for ya there mean gene many QBs do. Ain’t nothing wrong with josh’s reaction to pressure in the pocket. He’s a lumberjack magician escaping pressure. Sure, he sometimes makes a bad play while under pressure in the pocket….just like Brady, Montana, Rodgers, Manning and every other qb to ever take a snap. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 29 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: He moves in the pocket when he doesn't need to, wasting motion etc. However, it seems to work for him. Yup. You get 9 seconds, somebody is bound to get open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Spags like to make it look like he’s blitzing then back them off after the snap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Still not good enough for the Pro Bowl....sorry He should hide that ball a little closer to the hip on play action, that would have gotten him into the probowl. That or be named Lamar i suppose? Edited January 20, 2022 by HamSandwhich 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: He moves in the pocket when he doesn't need to, wasting motion etc. However, it seems to work for him. When a guy is as dangerous running the football as Allen is how do you think a LB or safety sees his moves in the pocket? Does it cause them to hesitate or get a bit out of position thinking he's about to take off? I guess my point is can you really call it "wasted motion"? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Another stat that I don't really see discussed is that Josh Allen has the 4th highest career postseason passer rating in league history. This is interesting considering that it is though of that Josh has not been a good playoff performer which is not true. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 No surprise. If Josh Allen has a signature move, it's evading a single free rusher and rolling right and throwing a dime down field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carptom1 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: Another stat that I don't really see discussed is that Josh Allen has the 4th highest career postseason passer rating in league history. This is interesting considering that it is though of that Josh has not been a good playoff performer which is not true. Did you notice who #1 was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 The only chance to beat Josh Allen is to drop into coverage and get pressure with four rushing. You have to have excellent discipline on defense. Josh usually evades the first rusher, so you have to get pressure with two or more players. Even then, you have to kind of hope Allen is having one of his off days. The story is kind of the same with Mahomes, actually, but Mahomes is not the threat that Allen is on the ground. Mahomes benefits from really good play calling and creativity on offense too, though, so both guys are tough to handle. You don't blitz them much, though, and you don't try too much man coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Gene1973 said: He moves in the pocket when he doesn't need to, wasting motion etc. However, it seems to work for him. Got this from the JT O'Sullivan video: Quote Josh has mentioned that some of that "unnecessary movement" he does in the pocket has to do with him reading the pass rush with his peripheral and making slight adjustments to his position to give his O-Lineman a better opportunity to maintain their blocks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Another accolade for Josh Allen. He got rid of his Justin Bieber haircut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 From what I've read from Chiefs fans on their forums and Twitter, the game plan to shut down Allen is simple. All they have to do is blitz Allen...while keeping a spy on him...while playing zone...while double teaming Diggs. It's just that easy! Jeezy, it's almost like they want Beasley and McKenzie to combine for like 30 catches and 300 yards. That or somehow have like 13 or 14 men on defense to pull it off. They were also bragging about how this reffing crew is going to allow their DBs to get away with holding our receivers all day, so there's that too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said: From what I've read from Chiefs fans on their forums and Twitter, the game plan to shut down Allen is simple. All they have to do is blitz Allen...while keeping a spy on him...while playing zone...while double teaming Diggs. It's just that easy! Jeezy, it's almost like they want Beasley and McKenzie to combine for like 30 catches and 300 yards. That or somehow have like 13 or 14 men on defense to pull it off. They were also bragging about how this reffing crew is going to allow their DBs to get away with holding our receivers all day, so there's that too. Are they hoping the refs overlook 14 men on the field on defense? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Are they hoping the refs overlook 14 men on the field on defense? Well they're already confident the defensive holding will get overlooked, as in the Bucs game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 13 hours ago, Doc said: That must have really hurt them to have to admit that. The stats team came in on Collinsworth's day off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Is this when blitzed or "under pressure". When I think back to some of the losses, Pitt, Jags....there was pressure and it was successful but that may have been more 4 man pressure. I am not disagreeing that he is good under pressure but I have seen it work. Josh does really well against a blitzer, just side stepping them. I think the only way to slow down these great QB's is to mix things up and disguise well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 13 hours ago, Gene1973 said: He moves in the pocket when he doesn't need to, wasting motion etc. However, it seems to work for him. and, YOU can turn a conversation from positive to negative when you don't need to. However, it seems to work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/19/2022 at 10:00 PM, Carptom1 said: Did you notice who #1 was? Patty Mahomes. He has never lost a playoff to anyone other than Tom Brad. Lets change that on Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 12:11 AM, 1ManRaid said: From what I've read from Chiefs fans on their forums and Twitter, the game plan to shut down Allen is simple. All they have to do is blitz Allen...while keeping a spy on him...while playing zone...while double teaming Diggs. It's just that easy! Jeezy, it's almost like they want Beasley and McKenzie to combine for like 30 catches and 300 yards. That or somehow have like 13 or 14 men on defense to pull it off. They were also bragging about how this reffing crew is going to allow their DBs to get away with holding our receivers all day, so there's that too. If you are blitzing and having a spy and doubling Diggs how in the world can you play zone. Sounds like uneducated fans talking out their backsides. So let’s say they blitz 6 and have a spy that leaves 4 in coverage. Okay double diggs. That would mean literally one of the Bills WRs is legitimately not even being guarded. The Chiefs are gonna stick with the same model that they have done the whole second half of the season. Robber coverage with their safeties and then on 3rd down bring the house and play cover 1 or cover zero. It got them burned vs Cinci but since Pittsburgh had a QB with no arm they feasted in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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