Dopey Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 According to Pro Football Reference, we've scored the 3rd most points of ANY team in the league!! 3rd guys, 3rd! What the hell are any of you complaining about?!? What more do you want?!? While I'm at it, we're #1 in points against and won back to back AFCE CHAMPS! IMO, any complainer(you know who you are) is a dumb@$$!; Again, JMO. Phew, that felt good! 7 2 4 1 1 5 2 4 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) no one is complaining. But, if you want a complaint, we should be the 1 seed. Lots of those points came against bad teams. This isn't a fantasy league where points scored and points allowed win you something. We should have beaten Tenn, and Tampa, but in both games the Bills vanished at key times. Oh, also should have beaten Jax. Edited January 10, 2022 by RyanC883 2 4 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: no one is complaining. But, if you want a complaint, we should be the 1 seed. Lots of those points came against bad teams. This isn't a fantasy league where points scored and points allowed win you something. We should have beaten Tenn, and Tampa, but in both games the Bills vanished at key times. Oh, also should have beaten Jax. The tolls come out in the game day thread as soon as there's a hint of frustration. And there's a lot of them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, Dopey said: According to Pro Football Reference, we've scored the 3rd most points of ANY team in the league!! 3rd guys, 3rd! What the hell are any of you complaining about?!? What more do you want?!? While I'm at it, we're #1 in points against and won back to back AFCE CHAMPS! IMO, any complainer(you know who you are) is a dumb@$$!; Again, JMO. Phew, that felt good! They score in bunches. Fans would rather it be a bit more… consistent. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Regardless of some of the key metrics out there, this team should be in a much better position right now especially given the current state of the AFC. Also not to be a debbie downer, I get that we have some great defensive numbers but look at the type of QB's we've played this year in probably more than half of our games. This has to be some sort of record for the number of rookie QB/backups a team has faced over a full regular season schedule: NE x 2 NYJ x 2 MIA (Brisset played pretty much the entire first game) HOU WAS CAR JAC NO Like I've said all along, McDermott and his staff have to be recognized for what they've done in 5 full years here. But it's not about getting to the playoffs anymore, it's about getting to SB's and winning championships and this is how we will ultimately determine how good a coach McD really is. 1 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 My problem with coaching yesterday was them continuing to prance Matt Haack out there to punt. I’d rather them prance Stevenson out there and having Josh throw up a deep 50/50 type pass. Probably had better results 😎 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Before McDermott we were referring to the Wade Phillips era as the good old days! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: no one is complaining. But, if you want a complaint, we should be the 1 seed. Lots of those points came against bad teams. This isn't a fantasy league where points scored and points allowed win you something. We should have beaten Tenn, and Tampa, but in both games the Bills vanished at key times. Oh, also should have beaten Jax. Sounds like you're complaining! 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I have problems with Daboll abandoning the run and passing 23 (a lot of those were embarrassing passes too) times in a row like we were down 24-0 to the 07' Pats. He's had some mind boggling play calls this year. And just cuz people criticize doesn't mean they are trolls. It's part of being a fan. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: Regardless of some of the key metrics out there, this team should be in a much better position right now especially given the current state of the AFC. Also not to be a debbie downer, I get that we have some great defensive numbers but look at the type of QB's we've played this year in probably more than half of our games. This has to be some sort of record for the number of rookie QB/backups a team has faced over a full regular season schedule: NE x 2 NYJ x 2 MIA (Brisset played pretty much the entire first game) HOU WAS CAR JAC NO Like I've said all along, McDermott and his staff have to be recognized for what they've done in 5 full years here. But it's not about getting to the playoffs anymore, it's about getting to SB's and winning championships and this is how we will ultimately determine how good a coach McD really is. Really?!? We did what we we're supposed to do with this schedule. Can't do much better than #1 in points allowed, can you?!? Bad Coach, bad Coach. Again: According to Pro Football Reference, we've scored the 3rd most points of ANY team in the league!! 3rd guys, 3rd! What the hell are any of you complaining about?!? What more do you want?!? While I'm at it, we're #1 in points against and won back to back AFCE CHAMPS! IMO, any complainer(you know who you are) is a dumb@$$!; Again, JMO. Phew, that felt good! 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: no one is complaining. But, if you want a complaint, we should be the 1 seed. Lots of those points came against bad teams. This isn't a fantasy league where points scored and points allowed win you something. We should have beaten Tenn, and Tampa, but in both games the Bills vanished at key times. Oh, also should have beaten Jax. Actually, points scored and points allowed does win you something. An AFCE Championship. Go pee on someone else's snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: Regardless of some of the key metrics out there, this team should be in a much better position right now especially given the current state of the AFC. Also not to be a debbie downer, I get that we have some great defensive numbers but look at the type of QB's we've played this year in probably more than half of our games. This has to be some sort of record for the number of rookie QB/backups a team has faced over a full regular season schedule: NE x 2 NYJ x 2 MIA (Brisset played pretty much the entire first game) HOU WAS CAR JAC NO Like I've said all along, McDermott and his staff have to be recognized for what they've done in 5 full years here. But it's not about getting to the playoffs anymore, it's about getting to SB's and winning championships and this is how we will ultimately determine how good a coach McD really is. every year 31 coaches suck and underperform. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Once you take away the trolls and the people that are just not happy with anything the remaining group of Buffalo Bills fans who want McDermott and Beane gone is very small. Very small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Hey, if yer not first, yer last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: The tolls come out in the game day thread as soon as there's a hint of frustration. Gotta pay the troll toll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: no one is complaining. But, if you want a complaint, we should be the 1 seed. Lots of those points came against bad teams. This isn't a fantasy league where points scored and points allowed win you something. We should have beaten Tenn, and Tampa, but in both games the Bills vanished at key times. Oh, also should have beaten Jax. Points scored against Tenn - 31 TB - 27 KC - 38 NE - 33 I mean the only time we scored under 25 points was: Jaguars Colts Pats (Windy game) Steelers We should be the #1 seed for sure, but the idea that we cant score points against good teams is false. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dopey said: According to Pro Football Reference, we've scored the 3rd most points of ANY team in the league!! 3rd guys, 3rd! What the hell are any of you complaining about?!? What more do you want?!? While I'm at it, we're #1 in points against and won back to back AFCE CHAMPS! IMO, any complainer(you know who you are) is a dumb@$$!; Again, JMO. Phew, that felt good! First: I like our coaching staff a lot. They certainly should not be fired. That's silly. They're one of the better coaching staffs in the league. Second: It's okay to acknowledge the above while still critiquing personnel decisions, playcalls, strategies, and other decisions. Coaches are not infallible. Even the great Bill Belichick is not exempt from criticism. Third: It's great that the Bills are AFC East champions and are hosting a playoff game. I'm excited. It's exciting. That said, the Bills SHOULD be the first or second seed. Instead of looking down the barrel of a matchup with the Pats at home and then a roadie at Arrowhead, they should be getting a week off and then hosting the Bengals or Raiders. The reasons they're NOT the first or second seed are open for debate, but coaching and player execution (which is not unrelated to coaching anyway) are at least partly to blame. Fourth: I have the right, as a fan, to simultaneously be proud of our team and to like our staff and players, and to ALSO feel that we have wasted some precious opportunities this season and have made the playoff path much harder than it needed to be, and that those letdowns have sometimes been due to coaching and, at other times, due to poor play. There's room here for optimism, pessimism, realism, and criticism. You are not czar of Two Bills Drive. Edited January 10, 2022 by Logic 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: They score in bunches. Fans would rather it be a bit more… consistent. Third in the AFC Two consecutive AFC East titles Number one defense in the league four out of the last five times playoffs? What the ***** are you talking about 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) On 1/10/2022 at 10:17 AM, Dopey said: According to Pro Football Reference, we've scored the 3rd most points of ANY team in the league!! 3rd guys, 3rd! What the hell are any of you complaining about?!? What more do you want?!? While I'm at it, we're #1 in points against and won back to back AFCE CHAMPS! IMO, any complainer(you know who you are) is a dumb@$$!; Again, JMO. Phew, that felt good! So you’re telling me that Daboll calls great game plans at home when we have winds of 50 mph +? Why is Isaiah McKenzie not been used all year until they were forced to. Why was sanders playing over Gabe Davis? Why is moss ever on the field? Why don’t they ever commit to getting singletary touches except 2 or 3 times this whole year. This team lost a lot of games to inferior teams because of coaching. But yes we are all happy they closed out the year as divisional winners but this team had the talent to be the clear #1 seed in a year where most of the top teams took a step back. If you want to tout their amazing defensive and offensive stats then why didn’t they win more games? Edited January 11, 2022 by Rocbillsfan1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: Regardless of some of the key metrics out there, this team should be in a much better position right now especially given the current state of the AFC. Also not to be a debbie downer, I get that we have some great defensive numbers but look at the type of QB's we've played this year in probably more than half of our games. This has to be some sort of record for the number of rookie QB/backups a team has faced over a full regular season schedule: NE x 2 NYJ x 2 MIA (Brisset played pretty much the entire first game) HOU WAS CAR JAC NO Like I've said all along, McDermott and his staff have to be recognized for what they've done in 5 full years here. But it's not about getting to the playoffs anymore, it's about getting to SB's and winning championships and this is how we will ultimately determine how good a coach McD really is. But what are the Bills supposed to do? Play teams not on the schedule. Even if you accept that they played a reasonably easy schedule of QBs you then look at the numbers and realise the defense was outstanding. They took full advantage. Not much more they can do. 1st in points against 1st in yards against 1st in fewest % of drives against ending in points 1st in yards per drive 1st in yards per play (and by a huge 0.4 yards per play.... the difference between the Bills in first and the Browns in second is the same as the difference between the Browns in 2nd and the Titans in 18th) 1st in 3rd down defense 1st in QB hurry % 1st in pressure % 1st in air yards given up (about 340 yards clear of 2nd place Chicago) And that is just the firsts..... let's look where else they rank top 10: 6th in redzone defense (touchdowns only) 7th in sack percentage (ie. the percentage of passing attempts against where they sacked the opposing QB) 7th in % of drives against that ended in a turnover 8th in 4th down defense 9th in QB knock downs I mean by modern standards that is pretty extraordinary. So yes, sure, they played some beatable competition. But they beat it handily on defense. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 football! 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: Regardless of some of the key metrics out there, this team should be in a much better position right now especially given the current state of the AFC. Also not to be a debbie downer, I get that we have some great defensive numbers but look at the type of QB's we've played this year in probably more than half of our games. This has to be some sort of record for the number of rookie QB/backups a team has faced over a full regular season schedule: NE x 2 NYJ x 2 MIA (Brisset played pretty much the entire first game) HOU WAS CAR JAC NO Like I've said all along, McDermott and his staff have to be recognized for what they've done in 5 full years here. But it's not about getting to the playoffs anymore, it's about getting to SB's and winning championships and this is how we will ultimately determine how good a coach McD really is. do you wake up like this, or does it take a few cups of coffee to get you there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Much more to it than that too. We had a D that played some ridiculously good games. That helped the offense a ton. If the D was middle of the road the offensive stats would have been impacted by that and fallen. This offense did not play well for large stretches of games. They were very inconsistent. They get it right for the playoffs then this team is hard to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: They score in bunches. Fans would rather it be a bit more… consistent. What does this mean? Should we score 7 points each quarter? The goal is to score more than your opponent. Who cares if it comes in bunches or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dopey said: According to Pro Football Reference, we've scored the 3rd most points of ANY team in the league!! 3rd guys, 3rd! What the hell are any of you complaining about?!? What more do you want?!? While I'm at it, we're #1 in points against and won back to back AFCE CHAMPS! IMO, any complainer(you know who you are) is a dumb@$$!; Again, JMO. Phew, that felt good! Biggest thing to remember is most fans only analyze their own team. They aren't really comparing all the coaches and players in the league. Bills coaches have flaws, but how are they compared to the league? That's how I try to analyze. Edited January 10, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sweats said: Hey, if yer not first, yer last Yeah that's right! Second place just means you're the first loser!😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Dopey said: According to Pro Football Reference, we've scored the 3rd most points of ANY team in the league!! 3rd guys, 3rd! What the hell are any of you complaining about?!? What more do you want?!? While I'm at it, we're #1 in points against and won back to back AFCE CHAMPS! IMO, any complainer(you know who you are) is a dumb@$$!; Again, JMO. Phew, that felt good! They have scored more points than any other AFC team and allowed fewer points than any other AFC team. A season is an emotional roller coaster, so I understand fan frustration. The Bills are a well coached team though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Not sure this was such a great post you had to spin it off into it's own thread. But I'll reply with the same thing I did in the other thread... Consistency. Just because the total points scored is high, it doesnt say anything about the pace or deviation of how those points were put up. This offense seems so feast or famine. We are either rolling, or putting on a clown show, no in between. A big part of that is bad game plans and play-calling and not allowing our O to play to its strengths or develop a rhythm. Yay! We hung 40 and 43 on the likes of Houston and Washington, but couldnt muster 1 FG per Quarter to beat the Jags. Great season, not taking that away. But there is always room for improvement. Especially when talking about the difference between a Playoff team and a Super Bowl Championship team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Millennium Stockholm Syndrome victim believes the Goal is making the Playoffs! 🙄 NOOOOO... it is getting the #1 Seed, to get a bye, and play only 2 at Home games, before going to and winning the SB! FUBARing the Steelers, Colts, and Cheatriots- AT HOME, let alone that impossibly embarrassing L at Jax, finished that off! who you gonna call? THOSE GAME PLANNING AND DECISION MAKING THROUGHOUT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Non stop whining as we roll into the playoffs again. What a bunch of… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: The tolls come out in the game day thread as soon as there's a hint of frustration. And there's a lot of them. Tolls huh? And then the trolls come out in threads like this saying "I told you so" with all the rah-rah kool-aid krap. 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Non stop whining as we roll into the playoffs again. What a bunch of… The general atmosphere at this forum is utterly toxic. Makes you wonder who your typical Bills fan is! I know lots of Bills fans who straight up won't interact here b/c it makes them feel dirty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I mean, the first mistake here is taking anything said in the gameday thread seriously, or as a representation of "Bills Fans". Emotions are high during the game. Passing statements made in frustration that you'd say to your buddy and then both move on, don't translate as well into forum posts. We've all bitched about stuff during games only to be proven wrong the next play and act like "I've always liked that guy!". It's part of the fun of gameday. The gameday threads close immediately for a reason. Leave them behind. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The general atmosphere at this forum is utterly toxic. Makes you wonder who your typical Bills fan is! I know lots of Bills fans who straight up won't interact here b/c it makes them feel dirty. no you don't. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I know lots of Bills fans who straight up won't interact here b/c it makes them feel dirty. Do they go to church? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Do they go to church? honestly...if you had friends who didn't come to the board because they felt it was too toxic, would they even be your friends anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Tolls huh? And then the trolls come out in threads like this saying "I told you so" with all the rah-rah kool-aid krap. The general atmosphere at this forum is utterly toxic. Makes you wonder who your typical Bills fan is! I know lots of Bills fans who straight up won't interact here b/c it makes them feel dirty. God forbid people act like "fans" of a team and city they purport to love. Better to retain skepticism and exude disdain, am I right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: My problem with coaching yesterday was them continuing to prance Matt Haack out there to punt. I’d rather them prance Stevenson out there and having Josh throw up a deep 50/50 type pass. Probably had better results 😎 I agree, could we actually do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I really hope the Bills make a sound decision regarding the punting game. Better believe that Belichick sees this as a weakness and will scheme some type of opportunity to exploit it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I really hope the Bills make a sound decision regarding the punting game. Better believe that Belichick sees this as a weakness and will scheme some type of opportunity to exploit it Like having K Neal Harry return punts for the first time all season in the windiest game in a decade? Gave Mckenzie another shot. I think Stevenson is better at fielding the kick. If a punt returner isnt going to catch it in the air give me Hyde deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Like having K Neal Harry return punts for the first time all season in the windiest game in a decade? Gave Mckenzie another shot. I think Stevenson is better at fielding the kick. If a punt returner isnt going to catch it in the air give me Hyde deep. It should be Hyde back for all kicks now that we are in the playoffs. He has the best hands and the best decision making. I dont care about the other guys' speed. Can't have costly mistakes on STs in the playoffs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It should be Hyde back for all kicks now that we are in the playoffs. He has the best hands and the best decision making. I dont care about the other guys' speed. Can't have costly mistakes on STs in the playoffs. I've been supporting McKenzie since his initial benching. But at this point, I have to agree with you. Kid's got the yips and now is not the time to let him play through it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: My problem with coaching yesterday was them continuing to prance Matt Haack out there to punt. I’d rather them prance Stevenson out there and having Josh throw up a deep 50/50 type pass. Probably had better results 😎 Leave Josh out there and have him pooch punt it. Could not have been worse than Haack yesterday. Just now, Gugny said: I've been supporting McKenzie since his initial benching. But at this point, I have to agree with you. Kid's got the yips and now is not the time to let him play through it. Even Hyde said in the postgame that the wind was as bad as the first NE game, and the ball moves a lot while in the air, and he was not about to catch it on the fly. He even said "I was not about that life today" to use the parlance of our times. Which to me, directly illustrates the better decision making and situational awareness he brings over McKenzie and Stevenson. Both of which feel the need to catch it and make a return in order to "prove themselves". Clouds their decision making, when the best play is to let it bounce and make sure no other Bills touch it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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