Beerball Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 He is again a stalwart on D and appears to be back to his pre-injury form. He's also in the final year of his contract. On a scale of 1-10, how important do you think it is that Beane re-sign him? I assume/hope we are close to seeing the last of (nota) Star in a Bills uni so that also increases the need o resign Harry. Personally I put re-signing him at an 8, maybe a 7.5 on the low side. What say you? 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I'm right with you. With Star and Butler certainly on the way out the door, Harry is a must-keep so they can devote their available resources to the OLine. 16 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 He and Wallace should both be resigned, no question. 6 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 He's injured. I'm not sure if he will need surgery( haven't read or seen anything ) but he's been playing through it this season. The man deserves a contract though and I hope they do sign him. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I really like his game as of late. I don’t know what you pay him though. He’s been mediocre more than he’s been impressive. But he’s been impressive lately. I’d like to draft a Vita Vea type, but there are no guarantees on draft day or how they pan out after that. 2 years, $10M, $6M guaranteed? He makes more money. We get a discount. He can get a new contract sooner rather than later for a bigger pay day? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, Mango said: I really like his game as of late. I don’t know what you pay him though. He’s been mediocre more than he’s been impressive. But he’s been impressive lately. I’d like to draft a Vita Vea type, but there are no guarantees on draft day or how they pan out after that. 2 years, $10M, $6M guaranteed? He makes more money. We get a discount. He can get a new contract sooner rather than later for a bigger pay day? Hes a 2 year 3.3-3.5 a year guy. Hopefully get a bigger 1 tech to split reps with him and cut Star after training camp. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I still think this team needs a big time player next to Ed Oliver but that doesn't mean they can't keep Phillips under the right circumstances. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamptonBillsfan Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Harry's been great and has given us solid play in Star's absence. Really a great team guy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Hes a 2 year 3.3-3.5 a year guy. Hopefully get a bigger 1 tech to split reps with him and cut Star after training camp. He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Very important, we dont have a lot of playmakers on the Dline so we should definitely keep him, Zimmer and Oliver are top 3 15 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm right with you. With Star and Butler certainly on the way out the door, Harry is a must-keep so they can devote their available resources to the OLine. I think we can get talent for both lines, and obviously should keep Phillips 13 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said: He's injured. I'm not sure if he will need surgery( haven't read or seen anything ) but he's been playing through it this season. The man deserves a contract though and I hope they do sign him. What injury ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I would love to keep him but look to upgrade if possible. Let’s not fool our selfs this Dline was terrible all year and he was a big part of that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Very important, we dont have a lot of playmakers on the Dline so we should definitely keep him, Zimmer and Oliver are top 3 I think we can get talent for both lines, and obviously should keep Phillips What injury ? I think he had a sprained or a torn pcl…something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mango said: I really like his game as of late. I don’t know what you pay him though. He’s been mediocre more than he’s been impressive. But he’s been impressive lately. I’d like to draft a Vita Vea type, but there are no guarantees on draft day or how they pan out after that. 2 years, $10M, $6M guaranteed? He makes more money. We get a discount. He can get a new contract sooner rather than later for a bigger pay day? Jordan Davis "It's not very often you see a lineman with this combination of size and strength (6' 6" 340lbs). It's rarer for a man of his size to put it all together and produce and that's exactly what he has done during his time at Georgia. " https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jordan-Davis-DL-Georgia Edited January 3, 2022 by Buffalo Barbarian 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, klos63 said: He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too. No he won’t. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I think he had a sprained or a torn pcl…something like that Wasn't that last year ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said: It would be a shame to lose Wallace after he finally has the game figured out! I dont see any reason not to resign him. Hes been a quality starter in the defense for awhile now. Probably a 7 million dollar a year guy but rather spend that on a guy already in the program than a wish and a hope in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Wasn't that last year ? ACL was last year…PCL I don’t think is quite as serious but it’s significant Edited January 3, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I'm not interested in paying Harrison more than backup money. But Star absolutely has to go and somebody has to play interior D-Line. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, klos63 said: He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too. Depends if he wants to test the market. To me he doesnt have enough pass rush to be a true 3 tech and isnt big enough to be a full time 1 tech. Great team guy but he isnt a plug and play 100% of the snap starter that will demand 8 to 10 a year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Wasn't that last year ? https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/11/30/22810218/harrison-phillips-has-been-playing-with-a-torn-pcl-this-year-buffalo-bills-defensive-tackle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said: It would be a shame to lose Wallace after he finally has the game figured out! Nobody bashed Levi more than me and he's made me to an extent eat my words. The guy has proven to be a very capable #2 CB especially holding his own since Tre went down. Definitely a re-sign with a nice bonus coming his way. Harry should be retained as well though I don't consider him a starter and more quality depth. But, I said the same about Levi at the start of the season so what do I know? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Didnt realize he had four tackles, a sack, a TFL, and 3 QB hits this game. He’s been playing outstanding. Of course Star wasn’t on the stat sheet, even when his mind is right he’s only good for 1-2 tackles per game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mama Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Star and Butler gone. Zimmer back! Harry OK but don't overpay. Need another UDFA like Pat Williams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: I'm not interested in paying Harrison more than backup money. But Star absolutely has to go and somebody has to play interior D-Line. I agree, but we need to divert considerable assets to the O line this offseason, not the D line! If he'll work for cheap, sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Don't sleep on Eli Ankou playing a much bigger role with this team next year even if they sign a big name FA or draft a DT early. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: I'm not interested in paying Harrison more than backup money. But Star absolutely has to go and somebody has to play interior D-Line. So, how many holes are you willing to create? Now that Josh has his $$$ it gets more difficult for Beane to balance the books. Do you put o-line or d-line as the overall #1 need this off season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 31 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm right with you. With Star and Butler certainly on the way out the door, Harry is a must-keep so they can devote their available resources to the OLine. Yeah Star and Butler have one foot out the door. Sign Harry to a reasonable contract and draft a big ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 25 minutes ago, klos63 said: He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too. He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement. He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league. Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included. 25 minutes ago, klos63 said: He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too. He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement. He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league. Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included. 25 minutes ago, klos63 said: He'll get a lot more than that if he tests the market. He's a starting DT. He'll probably get more term too. He’s not a starting DT, only reason he has ever started was as an injury replacement. He’s been largely a non factor in the time he’s been in the league. Nobody is paying him big money, Bills included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, freddyjj said: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/11/30/22810218/harrison-phillips-has-been-playing-with-a-torn-pcl-this-year-buffalo-bills-defensive-tackle Thats even more impressive with how he has been playing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I may be off by a bit, but I think he is #25 in tackles for interior linemen in the entire league. Given that he was inactive for a few, I think we’re damn lucky to have him on the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Solid depth player, good locker room guy and seems coachable. I’m sure they’d like to bring him back and it shouldn’t take much. His skill set is simply not the kind of thing the market values too highly. Look at how much guys like Dalvin Tomlinson, Derrick Wolfe, etc. got and those guys can occasionally rush the passer. Harry won’t be expensive to re-sign if they want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 25 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I agree, but we need to divert considerable assets to the O line this offseason, not the D line! If he'll work for cheap, sign him. Cap goes up significantly too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipnmi Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I've really appreciated Harry for both his ability and his personality (on and off the field) since we drafted him. Unfortunately, injuries have held him back from playing to his full capabilities far to often. We've seen him start playing at a very high level a couple times, but then suffer a significant injury and have to restart his climb all over. If the medical staff thinks his past injuries are not really indicative of his future availability, then we clearly need to resign him to a mid-level contract. I also think he is one of those "glue guys" that McBeane loves and wants to reward. Perhaps a decent incentive based contract is a reasonable solution. That all said, I'm really happy that he is starting to play at that "high level" again now, as unless Star steps it up, he's the only big presence we have in the middle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 49 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Very important, we dont have a lot of playmakers on the Dline so we should definitely keep him, Zimmer and Oliver are top 3 I think we can get talent for both lines, and obviously should keep Phillips What injury ? Knee. PCL? I'm not sure of the exactly diagnosis but he did it in preseason and spent the early part of the year inactive but still on the roster. Then he came back and has played through it because he's a friggin beast. 22 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Thats even more impressive with how he has been playing Yeah, this 39 minutes ago, freddyjj said: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/11/30/22810218/harrison-phillips-has-been-playing-with-a-torn-pcl-this-year-buffalo-bills-defensive-tackle Pay the man. He's worth it. I think he is a real glue type like Kyle Williams. I just hope he can get these injuries behind him. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) I don’t know if it’s critical depending on other moves in the off-season, but i would definitely offer him a contract. they also need to throw a decent deal at Levi. Imo Edited January 3, 2022 by YoloinOhio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 i think you're right with 8. Pay him some of what you save by releasing Star. I think he'll be a lot like Milano, he'll want to stay in Buffalo and will take a contract that's mutually beneficial. They'll have Oliver and most likely Zimmer (RFA) at 3 tech, so they'll need to draft another 1 tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) I think Harrison will be re-signed. I am going to go with a 6M AAV max on his next contract. Sheldon Rankins contract is a good comparable to him. Edited January 3, 2022 by MAJBobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: He and Wallace should both be resigned, no question. No way, I want both Levi Wallace and Harrison Phillips on the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: No way, I want both Levi Wallace and Harrison Phillips on the team. Reread my original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 “Depth” ”depth” ”depth” This kid has legit played like a starting DT the last month, while injured. He’s stuffing runs and pressuring the QBs, what else do fans want? Harry/Oliver are turning into quite the DT duo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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