Big Ben might, might not, maybe, but probably retiring.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

8 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Uh-oh, better keep him away from restaurant and bar bathrooms now that he is done with the pigskin...

 

 

[BillsShredder83]

55 minutes ago, Fallser said:

 

Case: Philadelphia in 2020 drafting a 2nd round QB behind their franchise QB. Chaos ensues. 

 

That'd be my reason why they didn't. 

Yeah big Ben doesn't play nice with others either. Am I remembering correctly a quote about him not talking to or not willing to help Rudolph as a rookie?

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

Strange thing to say when they still have a reasonable shot at the division.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Yeah big Ben doesn't play nice with others either. Am I remembering correctly a quote about him not talking to or not willing to help Rudolph as a rookie?

 

He said something to the effect of "it isn't my job to mentor him" or "it isn't my job to develop him"

[frostbitmic]

Rodgers to Pittsburgh

Wilson to NYG

Watson to New Orleans when his legal troubles end

Garoppolo to Houston

Trubisky or Darnold to Seattle

 

Just guessing where the musical chairs QB edition ends up as their isn't much in this years QB class.

[uninja]

5 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Strange thing to say when they still have a reasonable shot at the division.

Big Ben is old and looks it. We know it, he knows it. Even if for some miracle they win the division or go to the playoffs do Big Ben and the Steelers scare you?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Possibly?

[Big Turk]

I mean he has been terrible, why would Pittsburgh even want him back...it's time to accept he doesn't have it.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

Cue the Russell Wilson to Steelers rumors.

Makes entirely too much sense to me, he would be perfect for them and vise versa.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Jeebus, this would be a great question on the old 'The McLaughlin Group'!

[Albany,n.y.]

14 minutes ago, ElMarko said:

I’ll never forget Cower throwing their final game (in OT) in order to get ahead of the Bills - knowing both teams would be drafting QBs a few months later. 

Donahoe's fault for not offering enough for a top 10 team to trade down.  If he had traded pick 13 & the picks he used to trade up for JP, someone would have traded a top 10 pick to the Bills.  On the point table pick 13 is 1150, pick 43 is 470, pick 144 is 34.  for the 2005 #1, pick 20 is worth 850 or using the philosophy that a pick a year away is worth a round less pick 52 is worth 380 points.  So Donahoe could have offered at least 2034 points with 4 picks & had Roethlisberger (who he wanted) instead of Lee Evans & JP Losman. Those 2034 points are worth more than picks 4 through 10. 

 

Now let's compare what the Bills gave up to move from 12 to 7 for Josh which is a very similar move to what Donahoe couldn't do. The Bills traded picks 12 (1,200), 53 (370) and 56 (340) for a total of 1910 points to get picks 7 (1,500) and 255 (1).  The Bills traded 1,910 points for 1,501 points, an overpayment of 409 points which is the equivalent of and early 2nd rounder, picks 49 or 50.  If Donahoe had overpaid by 409 points he could have moved up to at most 7th, giving him 4 opportunities to make an offer that would be hard to refuse before Pittsburgh picked. 

 

Don't blame Cowher for tanking, blame Donahoe for not realizing you have to overpay for a franchise QB.  Remember, Beane started out with the highest Bills pick at 21 (800 points) and managed to move it up to a 1500 point spot by overpaying to get Josh.  Beane moved mountains to get his man, Donahoe sat on his hands and then made it worse with the panic move to get JP Losman after losing out on Roethlisberger by 2 spots in the draft.    

[LABILLBACKER]

One more retirement announcement and he gets the coveted 5 jacket.

[transient]

18 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Strange thing to say when they still have a reasonable shot at the division.

He only made the comment after consulting the ESPN NFL Playoff Machine, Wade Phillips edition.

[Captain Hindsight]

6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Donahoe's fault for not offering enough for a top 10 team to trade down.  If he had traded pick 13 & the picks he used to trade up for JP, someone would have traded a top 10 pick to the Bills.  On the point table pick 13 is 1150, pick 43 is 470, pick 144 is 34.  for the 2005 #1, pick 20 is worth 850 or using the philosophy that a pick a year away is worth a round less pick 52 is worth 380 points.  So Donahoe could have offered at least 2034 points with 4 picks & had Roethlisberger (who he wanted) instead of Lee Evans & JP Losman. Those 2034 points are worth more than picks 4 through 10. 

 

Now let's compare what the Bills gave up to move from 12 to 7 for Josh which is a very similar move to what Donahoe couldn't do. The Bills traded picks 12 (1,200), 53 (370) and 56 (340) for a total of 1910 points to get picks 7 (1,500) and 255 (1).  The Bills traded 1,910 points for 1,501 points, an overpayment of 409 points which is the equivalent of and early 2nd rounder, picks 49 or 50.  If Donahoe had overpaid by 409 points he could have moved up to at most 7th, giving him 4 opportunities to make an offer that would be hard to refuse before Pittsburgh picked. 

 

Don't blame Cowher for tanking, blame Donahoe for not realizing you have to overpay for a franchise QB.  Remember, Beane started out with the highest Bills pick at 21 (800 points) and managed to move it up to a 1500 point spot by overpaying to get Josh.  Beane moved mountains to get his man, Donahoe sat on his hands and then made it worse with the panic move to get JP Losman after losing out on Roethlisberger by 2 spots in the draft.    

Because of Beanes move and how well its paid off, I'll never question when a team goes all in on a QB. Shoot your shot 

[Albany,n.y.]

25 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Yeah big Ben doesn't play nice with others either. Am I remembering correctly a quote about him not talking to or not willing to help Rudolph as a rookie?

Ben was PO'd when Rudolph was drafted.  Then he saw Rudolph play & had nothing to worry about.  😀 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

One more retirement announcement and he gets the coveted 5 jacket.

After some of his 'dating' reviews have been aired, he probably could use:

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

So, Joe Flacco is the Son of God?!  I am so confused! 🤔

 

He thinks he's Job!

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

34 minutes ago, uninja said:

Big Ben is old and looks it. We know it, he knows it. Even if for some miracle they win the division or go to the playoffs do Big Ben and the Steelers scare you?

No. The point is that he was talking about it being his final game at Heinz, but that won't be true if they win the division. Nothing to do with whether or not they are scary.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Kinda long overdue.

I don’t know.  He’s had some good games this year…he can still make plays, and certainly the Steelers have no better options.  

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

26 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Donahoe's fault for not offering enough for a top 10 team to trade down.  If he had traded pick 13 & the picks he used to trade up for JP, someone would have traded a top 10 pick to the Bills.  On the point table pick 13 is 1150, pick 43 is 470, pick 144 is 34.  for the 2005 #1, pick 20 is worth 850 or using the philosophy that a pick a year away is worth a round less pick 52 is worth 380 points.  So Donahoe could have offered at least 2034 points with 4 picks & had Roethlisberger (who he wanted) instead of Lee Evans & JP Losman. Those 2034 points are worth more than picks 4 through 10. 

 

Now let's compare what the Bills gave up to move from 12 to 7 for Josh which is a very similar move to what Donahoe couldn't do. The Bills traded picks 12 (1,200), 53 (370) and 56 (340) for a total of 1910 points to get picks 7 (1,500) and 255 (1).  The Bills traded 1,910 points for 1,501 points, an overpayment of 409 points which is the equivalent of and early 2nd rounder, picks 49 or 50.  If Donahoe had overpaid by 409 points he could have moved up to at most 7th, giving him 4 opportunities to make an offer that would be hard to refuse before Pittsburgh picked. 

 

Don't blame Cowher for tanking, blame Donahoe for not realizing you have to overpay for a franchise QB.  Remember, Beane started out with the highest Bills pick at 21 (800 points) and managed to move it up to a 1500 point spot by overpaying to get Josh.  Beane moved mountains to get his man, Donahoe sat on his hands and then made it worse with the panic move to get JP Losman after losing out on Roethlisberger by 2 spots in the draft.    

Here's an interesting question. Would you rather have Roethlisberger since 2004 and no Allen now or Allen now? Because if we had gotten Roethlisberger, we probably never would have gotten Allen.

[Pokebball]

58 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Zach?  

The other Josh

Edited December 30, 2021 by Pokebball

[mannc]

34 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I mean he has been terrible, why would Pittsburgh even want him back...it's time to accept he doesn't have it.

He hasn’t been great, but he’s been far from terrible this year. The Steelers just aren’t a real good team

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Mason Rudolph says hi. 

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

And the Steelers will soon say bye.

 Wasn’t just a few seasons ago when some of our posters here were really high on Mason Rudolph ?  Maybe he still has more to show lol

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

Notice it said "likely" and "at Heinz Field." What wasn't said was "as a QB" or "a Steelers QB" or a "NFL job haver." If Fitz can earn a paycheck at his age, no reason Ben can't. This tweet can be true simply by him signing with an NFC team or a team that doesn't play @ PIT next year. 

I suspect he is keeping his options open.  He will probably retire, but we all can see what QBs are making these days.  If some team gets stupid with an offer……..  Or maybe he can step in on a championship team mid/late season after their starter gets injured. It’s not like he has bothered to be in shape to play any other season. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I actually don't think he's going to retire - I think he meant that it's his last game playing for the Steelers at Heinz Field.  I think he thinks (incredibly) that he can still play, and I suspect we'll see one of those sad late-career "I've still got it" tours where he tries to latch onto some new team in need of a veteran QB.

 

 

Yeah I think he definitely wants to keep playing but not sure there is a desire anywhere for what he brings to the table at this point.

[Dr.Sack]

I’m still wondering if Big Ben was in Epstein’s little black book? 

[Pokebball]

Just now, Dr.Sack said:

I’m still wondering if Big Ben was in Epstein’s little black book? 

Me thinks that there is a boat load of names in the records.  That's probably why nothing is being released regarding names.

[BillsPride12]

1 hour ago, uninja said:

Big Ben is old and looks it. We know it, he knows it. Even if for some miracle they win the division or go to the playoffs do Big Ben and the Steelers scare you?

No I would welcome a rematch to get some revenge on them...16 weeks later and that loss still pisses me off

[Old Man]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

So, what do the Steelers do? Rudolph isn't the answer and I don't really like the quarterbacks in this year's draft. 

Trubisky 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I actually don't think he's going to retire - I think he meant that it's his last game playing for the Steelers at Heinz Field.  I think he thinks (incredibly) that he can still play, and I suspect we'll see one of those sad late-career "I've still got it" tours where he tries to latch onto some new team in need of a veteran QB.

He can still play. He looks at the crappy QB’s out there and is probably thinking that if they can hide wentz and Mac Jones behind elite lines and running backs, he can surely do better than those guys.
 

His arm strength at 40 with a bad elbow is better than Mac Jones. 

[Albany,n.y.]

25 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Here's an interesting question. Would you rather have Roethlisberger since 2004 and no Allen now or Allen now? Because if we had gotten Roethlisberger, we probably never would have gotten Allen.

It depends on if we won any Super Bowls or not.  If we had won at least 1 Super Bowl with Ben, I'd rather have won that Super Bowl (or multiple Super Bowls) instead of wondering if Josh can win one before I die.  

When you ask an old man like me, who probably won't make it to the end of Josh's career, I'd rather have had 18 years of Roethlisberger while I had plenty of time left.  I guess a 20 year old, who is almost certain to see Josh's total career & would have missed a lot of Roethlisberger's would have the opposite answer.  

[Big Turk]

43 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Here's an interesting question. Would you rather have Roethlisberger since 2004 and no Allen now or Allen now? Because if we had gotten Roethlisberger, we probably never would have gotten Allen.

 

Allen now. He is going to do things Ben never dreamed of.

40 minutes ago, mannc said:

He hasn’t been great, but he’s been far from terrible this year. The Steelers just aren’t a real good team

 

Depends on your definition I guess...a dude whose arm is shot and can only throw 10 yard passes like Brees last year isn't going to do much.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

43 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Here's an interesting question. Would you rather have Roethlisberger since 2004 and no Allen now or Allen now? Because if we had gotten Roethlisberger, we probably never would have gotten Allen.

good question. Would take Ben R. Three super bowl appearances; two

super bowl wins; winning season every year.  Great in the clutch. Tough to argue with 18 straight years of success. 
 

i was watching some of the Steelers/cards 2008 super bowl last night (madden’s last game as an announcer). It is really something to watch Ben in that game in his prime. Scrambling, improvising, pump fakes, throwing darts. His GW TD throw to Holmes in the back of the endzone has to be a top-5 SB throw of all time. 

[BillsfaninSB]

45 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

 Wasn’t just a few seasons ago when some of our posters here were really high on Mason Rudolph ?  Maybe he still has more to show lol

I remember that vividly.

 

I didn’t want him but I must admit I thought the Steelers at the time made a very good pick. 
 

Edited December 30, 2021 by BillsfaninSB

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Allen now. He is going to do things Ben never dreamed of.

 

Depends on your definition I guess...a dude whose arm is shot and can only throw 10 yard passes like Brees last year isn't going to do much.

IMO, he is not throwing 10-yard passes because his arm is shot. It’s because his line is still a mess, and he can’t take the hits he used to. He can still sling it pretty good if he needs to.

[Doc]

58 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 Wasn’t just a few seasons ago when some of our posters here were really high on Mason Rudolph ?  Maybe he still has more to show lol

 

I only remember talk pre-draft.  After he got a chance to play, no one who wasn't high was really high on him anymore.

[Mike in Horseheads]

I love this subject title @aristocrat  !!! 

[Talley56]

Maybe he'll go the Brett Favre root.  Retire for the next 5 years then get traded to the Jets.

[Nextmanup]

4 hours ago, Codyny13 said:

2 years too late…nice career

Yeah, he's done.

 

I don't think Pittsburgh gives him another year, so it makes sense to retire now.

 

 

[Starr Almighty]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

I thought he already announced he was going to retire?

He did for 10 years straight, will there be an 11th? We'll have to wait and see 🤣