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[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Watching NBC Sports Boston. Matthew Fairburn is now a Pats reporter for the Athletic. The narrative this week is the Pats already won this game. Matt Jones is miles ahead of Josh Allen. Bills are a soft team because they'd rather pass than run. Think we are the "greatest show on turf" but we play is cold sloppy Buffalo.

 

I didn't find this Fairburn clip or article talking about how the Pats already won this game - is that Fairburn's take?  He's dead to me anyway.

 

But I did find this Fairburn (and others) article about Bill Belichick which is legitimately funny

 

https://theathletic.com/2889665/2021/10/29/its-fun-at-gunpoint-the-comedy-stylings-of-bill-belichick/?source=emp_shared_article

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Bill Belichick has been called many things during his 22 seasons as the Patriots coach: a genius, a grouch, the GOAT. But funny? Just wait until you read the stories from 15 of his former players …

Ross Tucker, offensive lineman: He’s definitely an #######. And he’s definitely hilarious.

 

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Jed Weaver, tight end: Onterrio Smith … got caught with the Whizzinator in his bag. He was the running back from Minnesota. But Bill is reading the article: “It says here that he didn’t know he had a fake dick in his bag because one of his friends put it in there before he got on the plane. So all you ***** #######s, when you’re coming back for training camp, make sure you check your bag before you get on your plane. Make sure none of your buddies put a fake dick in your bag.”

 

At one point, this season Allen was leading the league in batted balls.  Maybe they need to send Webb after him with tennis rackets:

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Mesko(punter): It was 2012, the year J.J. Watt was just swatting people’s passes. He had so many batted balls. We’re playing them and he’s like, “Alright, Zoltan, come over here after special teams.” I get in the defensive huddle. It’s 7-on-7 so there’s no linemen there. He’s like, “Here, take these two tennis rackets and I want you to hit Brady’s ball into the stands if you can. I don’t care.” So I’m jumping up and touching like 12 feet and swatting Brady like 10 yards when I could.

Fletcher: It was really pissing Brady off.

Mesko: Man, when I got him, Belichick was crying on the inside, like tears of joy. Brady would be like, “Zoltan, please don’t knock this one down.” Belichick was like, “No, no, I’m going to pay you 100 bucks every time you swat that ball.”

Fletcher: It got to the point where Brady would pay $150 not to do it because Brady was getting so pissed.

Mesko: And Belichick paid up after every practice. He came with the cash.

 

[newcam2012]

19 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Yes, but most of us are not NFL analysts. He SHOULD try and analyze the teams rather than state opinion as fact. 

NFL analysts get paid to give their opinions. I don't think they represent their opinions as facts. I believe that's people's intepretation especially if they don't like or agree with the so called analyst. 

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Watching NBC Sports Boston. Matthew Fairburn is now a Pats reporter for the Athletic. The narrative this week is the Pats already won this game. Matt Jones is miles ahead of Josh Allen. Bills are a soft team because they'd rather pass than run. Think we are the "greatest show on turf" but we play is cold sloppy Buffalo.

Fairburn is a traitor.  

[Cruiserplayer]

This thread reminds me of two very important lessons we should all teach our kids: 1) Don’t get your panties in a wad.

         2) The proof is in the pudding.

[hemma]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/fpi

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401326522

 

In spite of our recent challenges, we’re still #1 in the football power index and forecast to stomp their bodies deep into the near-mud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

45 minutes ago, Success said:

 

McGinist was a great player - but he's a pure homer.

 

Bruschi is the same.  Those guys should watch former players like Aikman & Simms - I can watch them commentate on games w/ their former teams & I'd never know they played for those teams.

 

Aikman is the biggest Cowboy homer EVER!  He cheers for them every time he does one of their games it’s disgusting.  What’s worse is he is a color commentator.. so we get him all game.. Bruschi and and McGinist is maybe halftime for a few minutes.

[GETTOTHE50]

Make Mac jones pass. Please mcdermott, put 8 in the box and make sure the run doesn’t beat us. Don’t get stubborn with the nickel defense 

[co_springs_billsfan]

54 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Mesko(punter): It was 2012, the year J.J. Watt was just swatting people’s passes. He had so many batted balls. We’re playing them and he’s like, “Alright, Zoltan, come over here after special teams.” I get in the defensive huddle. It’s 7-on-7 so there’s no linemen there. He’s like, “Here, take these two tennis rackets and I want you to hit Brady’s ball into the stands if you can. I don’t care.” So I’m jumping up and touching like 12 feet and swatting Brady like 10 yards when I could.

Fletcher: It was really pissing Brady off.

Mesko: Man, when I got him, Belichick was crying on the inside, like tears of joy. Brady would be like, “Zoltan, please don’t knock this one down.” Belichick was like, “No, no, I’m going to pay you 100 bucks every time you swat that ball.”

Fletcher: It got to the point where Brady would pay $150 not to do it because Brady was getting so pissed.

Mesko: And Belichick paid up after every practice. He came with the cash.

 

Sounds like a salary cap violation...

[gobilz]

42 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said:

This thread reminds me of two very important lessons we should all teach our kids: 1) Don’t get your panties in a wad.

         2) The proof is in the pudding.

Panty puddin

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Make Mac jones pass. Please mcdermott, put 8 in the box and make sure the run doesn’t beat us. Don’t get stubborn with the nickel defense 

New England is going to run the ball heavily, and make little dump-off passes all night long for 4-6 yards.  

 

BB will also figure out who our absolute worst DB is on the field post Tre injury, and throw at him as much as possible.

 

We better have some plans in place, and be ready to switch out of them quickly if/when they don't work.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[longtimebillsfan]

7 hours ago, Fred Slacks said:

New Orleans ran cover 2 all night long and Josh seemed to pick that apart just fine.  Not saying he will have the same success vs the Pats.  I am just saying he can play vs the cover 2 and has shown it in games.  I expect a different offense with players back this week on the O-line.  I think we can score 25-28 points and that we can hold the Pats under that.  If it is windy we can press and cover the short routes/play the run.  Force Mac Jones to throw deep in windy conditions.  Everyone acts like the weather only effects how our team plays but the Pats still have to show up and do their thing in the same conditions.  If we have Star back this week too then I really like our chances vs the Pats.  Even missing Tre I think we can and should come out on top of this game.  Not too mention Josh seems to perform well on nationally televised games.  

I hope your right.  We have 4 examples where our offense could not handle that same defense.  It may have something to do with the quality of personel.

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

3-3 is not sub .500 idiot.

The Bills scored 31 on the Titans.

And yet we lost...

[Since1981]

5 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Excited to see what Dane Jackson can do?

 

“Glass Half Full Award”

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I didn't find this Fairburn clip or article talking about how the Pats already won this game - is that Fairburn's take?  He's dead to me anyway.

 

But I did find this Fairburn (and others) article about Bill Belichick which is legitimately funny

 

https://theathletic.com/2889665/2021/10/29/its-fun-at-gunpoint-the-comedy-stylings-of-bill-belichick/?source=emp_shared_article

 

 

At one point, this season Allen was leading the league in batted balls.  Maybe they need to send Webb after him with tennis rackets:

 

 

Fairburn was part of a panel. Fairburn said somethings other panelists chimed in.

[PatsFanNH]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

2nd easiest? How is facing Dallas and TB and NO before they got decimated with injuries.. 2nd easiest?  The rest I can see but 1/4 games against pretty tough O’s. 

[Putin]

43 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

2nd easiest? How is facing Dallas and TB and NO before they got decimated with injuries.. 2nd easiest?  The rest I can see but 1/4 games against pretty tough O’s. 

Did you win those games ?

[Dr. K]

3 hours ago, Like A Mofo said:

The national sports media and their display over how they are slobbering all over New England this year after one 6 game winning streak just puts the stamp on what we all knew for decades: They have some odd, strange and twisted fascination with this franchise and they crave their success so much it is almost toxic.

 

These same folks are chomping at the bit to dismiss Buffalo in any way shape they can. The media likes things to be a 'certain way' They want the same old teams that have the most followers on Twitter to be the best to:

 

1. Make their jobs easier

2. Get the most clicks

3. Rile up other fan bases to get even MORE clicks.

 

This is how they operate, and will always operate. Little engines that could like small market Buffalo will always have to really outshine ones like New England. These are the cold, hard facts. Embrace it. Relish in the role. And ignore them. Completely.

Chill out. No one is a bigger Bills supporter than I am, but be realistic. The Pats have won six straight, by significant scores, while starting a rookie QB. The Bills have gone lose-win-lose-win for their last six, one of those losses to a one-win team, and the other a wipe out, at home, by the Colts. 

 

This isn't some conspiracy by the press; this is the normal short attention span of US media.  The Bills got plenty of strokes when they were riding high. If they beat the Pats Monday the narrative will change again. If the Bills sweep the Pats and manage to win four or five of their last six, they will be one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl. 

I prefer to hear everybody talking about how great Jones is, and how Belichick is a genius. The Bills players and coaches should be ready to play on Monday night. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

LOL McD Tuesday interview.

 

Sean McDermott: "Continue to Work Every Week to Improve" (buffalobills.com)

Boston Globe guy Jim McBride asks McDermott about Mac Jones and McDermott says good things about Jones, he's a talented young QB, Josh McDaniels is back to his old ways developing a young QB to play at an elite level, Jones is off to a phenomenal start, he's as advertised, he does a great job executing their offense.

 

Then he goes for the trick question:  "Do you see any similarities to the Patriots teams of the early 2000s when they had a young QB...."

(damned if you do damned if you don't question)

 

McDermott neatly dodges it.  Says "well, I wasn't in the division then" and goes on to say a bunch of praiseful things about the Patriots now "they're playing high level football..they're well coached, they execute well, they're not beating themselves, they play good complimentary football"

 

Not for nothing people have said that Sean McDermott can really dance.

 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I hope your right.  We have 4 examples where our offense could not handle that same defense.  It may have something to do with the quality of personel.

And yet we lost...

And yet scoring 31 points is not slowing down our offense.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

2nd easiest? How is facing Dallas and TB and NO before they got decimated with injuries.. 2nd easiest?  The rest I can see but 1/4 games against pretty tough O’s. 

Because as I told you before ... you havent faced this guantlet of a schedule you think you have.  The week before you played NO they scored 7 points.  Playing a couple offenses that are good out of 12 games doesnt mean you played a tough schedule overall when you also played a lot of bottom feeders.  That type of analysis also doesnt look at who you played when. They look at the overall current standings.

[Putin]

🖕🏻the patriots****** and the entire fan base 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Putin

[GETTOTHE50]

I want to see Taron get a pick 6. I feel like he can have this tyrann matheiu quality about him if McD let him play more like a spy in coverage if that makes sense. He should be given more free range so he can be more of an ‘X factor’ so to speak.

He’s too unsung of a hero imo. Hopefully that changes soon. 

[longtimebillsfan]

4 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

And yet scoring 31 points is not slowing down our offense.

You have to include the losses vs the Steelers, Jags, and Colts.   Do you think Belichick won't learn from what they did to slow down our offense?

 

I have been a life long Bills fan going back to the Jack Kemp Era.  I want a win on Monday as bad as anyone. I am just being realistic.  We are going to have a real struggle vs New England.   We had better bring our A+++ game.  At least Star, Brown, and Feliciano are back to practice.

[TBBills]

8 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

New England is going to run the ball heavily, and make little dump-off passes all night long for 4-6 yards.  

 

BB will also figure out who our absolute worst DB is on the field post Tre injury, and throw at him as much as possible.

 

We better have some plans in place, and be ready to switch out of them quickly if/when they don't work.

 

 

Last time they tried that they lost badly to the Bills. 

[PatsFanNH]

7 hours ago, Putin said:

Did you win those games ?

That wasn’t the point the DVOE is based on all games wins and losses. Hell I’d say those were the 3 worst D games….

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

You have to include the losses vs the Steelers, Jags, and Colts.   Do you think Belichick won't learn from what they did to slow down our offense?

 

I have been a life long Bills fan going back to the Jack Kemp Era.  I want a win on Monday as bad as anyone. I am just being realistic.  We are going to have a real struggle vs New England.   We had better bring our A+++ game.  At least Star, Brown, and Feliciano are back to practice.

Not that it’s the end all, be all, but I doubt Belichick has a plan to make sure Spencer Brown doesn’t play.  
 

Our splits with him, and without him, are dramatic… and in the three games you just listed, he didn’t play.  

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Because as I told you before ... you havent faced this guantlet of a schedule you think you have.  The week before you played NO they scored 7 points.  Playing a couple offenses that are good out of 12 games doesnt mean you played a tough schedule overall when you also played a lot of bottom feeders.  That type of analysis also doesnt look at who you played when. They look at the overall current standings.

Ahh thus why like so many other new and made up stats it’s useless. Thanks   

[PaattMaann]

10 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Make Mac jones pass. Please mcdermott, put 8 in the box and make sure the run doesn’t beat us. Don’t get stubborn with the nickel defense 

 

I am more than OK with the nickel defense. It is our best base defense, even in stopping the run. Taron (and now fill in Dane) excel in run support. You can still have 8 in the box in a nickel D....

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

17 hours ago, Fred Slacks said:

New Orleans ran cover 2 all night long and Josh seemed to pick that apart just fine.  Not saying he will have the same success vs the Pats.  I am just saying he can play vs the cover 2 and has shown it in games.  I expect a different offense with players back this week on the O-line.  I think we can score 25-28 points and that we can hold the Pats under that.  If it is windy we can press and cover the short routes/play the run.  Force Mac Jones to throw deep in windy conditions.  Everyone acts like the weather only effects how our team plays but the Pats still have to show up and do their thing in the same conditions.  If we have Star back this week too then I really like our chances vs the Pats.  Even missing Tre I think we can and should come out on top of this game.  Not too mention Josh seems to perform well on nationally televised games.  

Is that true that the Saints ran a lot of cover 2 against us? I thought they mostly played man— but certainly could be wrong. 

[newcam2012]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

New England is going to run the ball heavily, and make little dump-off passes all night long for 4-6 yards.  

 

BB will also figure out who our absolute worst DB is on the field post Tre injury, and throw at him as much as possible.

 

We better have some plans in place, and be ready to switch out of them quickly if/when they don't work.

 

 

They better have a solid offensive game plan. They have to do some things differently on offense. I'm thinking move Allen around in the pocket, a few more RPOs, some quick slants, screens to Brieda, and effective run plays.

 

I think Allen will get killed and be ineffective if he just sits in the pocket and the bills run similar pass patterns. I think Belicheat will take Diggs out of the game. 

[Greg S]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

They better have a solid offensive game plan. They have to do some things differently on offense. I'm thinking move Allen around in the pocket, a few more RPOs, some quick slants, screens to Brieda, and effective run plays.

 

I think Allen will get killed and be ineffective if he just sits in the pocket and the bills run similar pass patterns. I think Belicheat will take Diggs out of the game. 

 

This is where having Knox really helps. He has been a huge factor in the passing game. So if the Pats do take Diggs out of the game then Knox, Beasley, Sanders need to step up. Hopefully the Bills can get a running game going with Breida and Singletary. This is an all hands on deck kind of game. 

[streetkings01]

Don’t watch the GMF segment about the upcoming game.

 

They showed just about every negative play of ours this season. Brought up Belichick’s dominance of McDermott without bringing up Brady at. Brought up how nobody runs against the Patriots without bringing up how the Titans just ran for almost 300 yards a week ago.

 

If Bills play a clean game they win this game by 10+ points.

[newcam2012]

8 hours ago, Dr. K said:

Chill out. No one is a bigger Bills supporter than I am, but be realistic. The Pats have won six straight, by significant scores, while starting a rookie QB. The Bills have gone lose-win-lose-win for their last six, one of those losses to a one-win team, and the other a wipe out, at home, by the Colts. 

 

This isn't some conspiracy by the press; this is the normal short attention span of US media.  The Bills got plenty of strokes when they were riding high. If they beat the Pats Monday the narrative will change again. If the Bills sweep the Pats and manage to win four or five of their last six, they will be one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl. 

I prefer to hear everybody talking about how great Jones is, and how Belichick is a genius. The Bills players and coaches should be ready to play on Monday night. 

Great post! I'm not sure why people are so sensitive to the media giving the Patriots it's due respect. I get the Patriot hate and I'm included in the dislike for the whole organization. Yet, the Patriots deserve the hype. They are playing great on both sides of the ball. It's a masterpiece in progress by Belicheck. The Bills have been nothing but inconsistent. It's hard to have faith in which team shows up. I firmly believe a healthier good version of the Bills is better than the Patriots. However, which bills team shows up on Monday? 

[Greg S]

We are getting some love from the "experts". Pete Prisco picks the Bills.

 

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This is the game of the week with first place in the AFC East on the line. The Patriots have won six straight games and have really impressed on defense. It will be fun to see what Bill Belichick throws at Josh Allen. The Bills looked much better last week against the Saints than they did for most of November. They continue to play well here. Bills take it.

Pick: Bills 26, Patriots 20 

[newcam2012]

21 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

This is where having Knox really helps. He has been a huge factor in the passing game. So if the Pats do take Diggs out of the game then Knox, Beasley, Sanders need to step up. Hopefully the Bills can get a running game going with Breida and Singletary. This is an all hands on deck kind of game. 

Agree. The Bills have to establish some sort of running game. They can't abandom the run game and let the Pats T off on Allen. I believe Allen will get killed and largely be ineffective. It's what we've seen in the Jags, Pitt, and Colts game. 

 

Additionally, this is a difficult game plan defensively for the Bills. Jones is running the offense like an old pro. Almost Brady like. Finding the seams, limiting turnovers and mistakes, making the correct reads. The Pats run game is solid as well. 

 

In concluding, I think the winner wins by a field goal. I'm not going to predict a winner. The betting line started put at -3.5 and his now -2.5 buffalo.

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Dropped a point? Thought it was -3.5? 

2.5 in today's Daily News. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

42 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

They better have a solid offensive game plan. They have to do some things differently on offense. I'm thinking move Allen around in the pocket, a few more RPOs, some quick slants, screens to Brieda, and effective run plays.

 

I think Allen will get killed and be ineffective if he just sits in the pocket and the bills run similar pass patterns. I think Belicheat will take Diggs out of the game. 

I'm sure they are not game planning at all.  They probably think NE is going to give them the game.   No need to game plan this week 🙄

[34-78-83]

I just can’t believe there’s some analyst out there that actually said Mac Jones was even remotely close to Allen as a QB, let alone better?? That could not have actually happened, could it? Did he really actually say it? Any such analyst should be removed by their employer immediately. We could lose to New England sure ( I don’t think we will) but saying that is just absurd. There’s no way that person could actually believe that if he’s seen both play.

[Ghost_002!]

8 hours ago, Putin said:

🖕🏻the patriots****** and the entire fan base 

 

 

ha ha, so no x-mas card huh?

[YoloinOhio]

43 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Don’t watch the GMF segment about the upcoming game.

 

They showed just about every negative play of ours this season. Brought up Belichick’s dominance of McDermott without bringing up Brady at. Brought up how nobody runs against the Patriots without bringing up how the Titans just ran for almost 300 yards a week ago.

 

If Bills play a clean game they win this game by 10+ points.

No one runs against them? What the what - they are in the bottom 10 of the league in rush defense