Who is to blame: MCD or Bean?

[RyanC883]

Is it MCD not having his team ready to play an inferior opponent 2 weeks in a row and making terrible in game decisions (calling TO instead of a challenging a catch and declining a penalty that led to a FG?). 

 

Or is it Bean, who knew or should have known we had OL issues after last year, yet did nothing in the draft or FA of substance, and then again dod nothing at the trade deadline.  Our D line is also nothing special.  

 

They both have been awful this year, IMO.  Groot was a great pick, Basham and Ford were terrible, like Franchise changing bad.  Put Humphrey and Metcalf on this team and it’s totally different. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by RyanC883

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

How could you misspell Beane in the thread title, poll, AND thread text? Do you really think his name is Bean?

[Alphadawg7]

32 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Is it MCD not having his team ready to play an inferior opponent 2 weeks in a row and making terrible in game decisions (calling TO instead of a challenging a catch and declining a penalty that led to a FG?). 

 

Or is it Bean, who knew or should have known we had OL issues after last year, yet did nothing in the draft or FA of substance, and then again dod nothing at the trade deadline.  Our D line is also nothing special.  

 

They both have been awful this year, IMO.  Groot was a great pick, Basham and Ford were terrible, like Franchise changing bad.  Put Humphrey and Metcalf on this team and it’s totally different. 

How is our D Line bad?  We have the number one defense in the NFL and lead the league in takeaways which all start up front.

[Sugar High JA17]

Why is Boogie on the bench on game day, answer that Bean!

2nd round running back with some talent coulda helped

[Bruffalo]

I mean I guess between the two it's on McD.  Ford should have been benched at some point.  Really I think it's a player execution issue for sure.  

[JoPoy88]

33 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Is it MCD not having his team ready to play an inferior opponent 2 weeks in a row and making terrible in game decisions (calling TO instead of a challenging a catch and declining a penalty that led to a FG?). 

 

Or is it Bean, who knew or should have known we had OL issues after last year, yet did nothing in the draft or FA of substance, and then again dod nothing at the trade deadline.  Our D line is also nothing special.  

 

They both have been awful this year, IMO.  Groot was a great pick, Basham and Ford were terrible, like Franchise changing bad.  Put Humphrey and Metcalf on this team and it’s totally different. 

Lol. I love how it’s just one or the other’s fault. No mention of the “MVP-level” QB who looked like he lost his marbles out there today. Gotta be the coach or the GM! Pathetic.

[78thealltimegreat]

Obviously it’s Beane…McDermott has now healthy scratched his last two second round picks for some odd reason and he did nothing to sure up the interior of the oline when we have needed a mauling guard for like 3 years 

[RyanC883]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Lol. I love how it’s just one or the other’s fault. No mention of the “MVP-level” QB who looked like he lost his marbles out there today. Gotta be the coach or the GM! Pathetic.

 

so the OL wasn’t awful. ?   The whole team esp on offense again unprepared. ?   

[McBean]

Look at our draft picks under Brandon Beane.

 

That should tell you the correct answer to this thread.

[Gambit]

3 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

Why is Boogie on the bench on game day, answer that Bean!

2nd round running back with some talent coulda helped

Behind this line? That RB would've been just as useless.

[RyanC883]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

How is our D Line bad?  We have the number one defense in the NFL and lead the league in takeaways which all start up front.

 

I’d say it’s our secondary and good planning by Frazier.  Plus facing bad QB’s. 

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

Lol. I love how it’s just one or the other’s fault. No mention of the “MVP-level” QB who looked like he lost his marbles out there today. Gotta be the coach or the GM! Pathetic.

Pretty easy to lose your marbles when you're taking huge hits every play and you don't trust the players around you, but sure.

[Niagara Dude]

34 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Is it MCD not having his team ready to play an inferior opponent 2 weeks in a row and making terrible in game decisions (calling TO instead of a challenging a catch and declining a penalty that led to a FG?). 

 

Or is it Bean, who knew or should have known we had OL issues after last year, yet did nothing in the draft or FA of substance, and then again dod nothing at the trade deadline.  Our D line is also nothing special.  

 

They both have been awful this year, IMO.  Groot was a great pick, Basham and Ford were terrible, like Franchise changing bad.  Put Humphrey and Metcalf on this team and it’s totally different. 

Beane has done very little to improve this roster,  after adding one difference maker in Diggs what move has he made?  Like why draft Basham and not a guard or center?  Morse was another guy he overpaid,  so when he has money he seems to overpay and blows it.  

[Big Turk]

The team was unfocused, unprepared and looked disinterested.

 

The Jags were ready to play from the opening snap and the Bills simply didn't want to get involved in a 60 minute fight today. A disgraceful performance on the offense. 

 

Hard to fault the D for anything...they held them to 3 FGs and 218 total yards. They deserved far better.

 

I don't blame either. I blame the players. They know better.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Big Turk

[RyanC883]

10 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

How could you misspell Beane in the thread title, poll, AND thread text? Do you really think his name is Bean?

typing on an iphone is hard, just like beating a one win team.  

Edited November 8, 2021 by RyanC883

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said:

Beane has done very little to improve this roster,  after adding one difference maker in Diggs what move has he made?  Like why draft Basham and not a guard or center?  Morse was another guy he overpaid,  so when he has money he seems to overpay and blows it.  

I'm not a huge fan of drafting DE-DE but of all his decisions that one is pretty excusable if the prevailing thought about Rousseau is that he's a raw prospect who isn't expected to start. I still think it was a mistake but the thought process isn't ridiculous

[Mike in Horseheads]

billy Bean?

[loyal2dagame]

This is the best team Bills fans have had in 25 years.  Not a time to point fingers. CHAMPIONSHIP GAME last year, and there's alot of season left this year. Plenty of get right time.

But.....

The o-line sucks and we have no run game. 

[poblano]

It's all about execution, specially by Allen.  In the 4th quarter in an option play he keeps tha ball when Singlentary has the running lanes to convert the 1st down, and the Jacksonville player was  committed to Allen. And in the last offensive play by Buffalo, blatantly missed Sanders, instead he looked for Diggs in a very risky pass

 

[JoPoy88]

11 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Pretty easy to lose your marbles when you're taking huge hits every play and you don't trust the players around you, but sure.

Agreed. So where’s the option for the offensive line up there?

[Bruffalo]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Agreed. So where’s the option for the offensive line up there?

Well I didn't make the poll, but I do think of the two for this particular loss more of the blame is on McD.  He should have benched Ford and put in Bates. Just do something, anything, because obviously your 250 million dollar QB is getting his booty smacked around left and right.

[Milanos Milano]

The problem is Beane. He hasn’t done enough to give Allen a fighting chance. He missed on Ford and his FA linemen haven’t been able to give Allen enough time. Beane can help fix this, but it won’t be done this year. We need to draft 4 Oline this year and a playmaking WR/RB. 

[Sugar High JA17]

i suggest Bean to have Free bikini car washes 'girls wearing bills top/bottoms' to all bills fans and legalize marijuana on site for gameday!

That could help us ease the pain after this loss tiny bit

[JoPoy88]

55 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Is it MCD not having his team ready to play an inferior opponent 2 weeks in a row and making terrible in game decisions (calling TO instead of a challenging a catch and declining a penalty that led to a FG?). 

 

Or is it Bean, who knew or should have known we had OL issues after last year, yet did nothing in the draft or FA of substance, and then again dod nothing at the trade deadline.  Our D line is also nothing special.  

 

They both have been awful this year, IMO.  Groot was a great pick, Basham and Ford were terrible, like Franchise changing bad.  Put Humphrey and Metcalf on this team and it’s totally different. 

Ah yes let’s create a whole thread to shift the blame around. Sad.

[strive_for_five_guy]

30 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

How could you misspell Beane in the thread title, poll, AND thread text? Do you really think his name is Bean?

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’d say it’s our secondary and good planning by Frazier.  Plus facing bad QB’s. 

Still wondering where the evidence is that our DL is bad.  All the facts and evidence seem to say otherwise.  

[BillsVet]

The blame game typically does not fall on only one person's shoulders.  Beane put together an OL of UFAs and didn't develop anyone save a guy they traded and someone apparently struggling post-COVID.  He spent big on Morse, drafted Ford, and not been strong aside from Allen drafting offense in sum.    

 

McD seems to still be uber-DC and still largely abdicates, after 4+ seasons as a NFL HC, the offensive game to Daboll.  And there's another dude who's been underwhelming, as has been oft-repeated today.  

 

Put it all together and you've got an offense with Josh, some quality veteran skill types and coaching that either A) doesn't really understand offense or B) has offense as their side of the ball and can't manage a game.  

[Nelius]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

Look at our draft picks under Brandon Beane.

 

That should tell you the correct answer to this thread.

 

Huh. Rousseau's hitting? Oliver's surging. I don't think his picks are the eyesore you want them to be. Taron Johnson? Epenesa can still turn out fine.

 

And I was just ignoring the obvious hits like Allen and Dawson Knox. I don't know, man. Can you really reference more Beane misses to counter all of these obvious wins? Ford sucks, I agree, but then it's a bunch of dudes doing pretty well. Maybe 7th round flyer Dane Jackson? How in the world has Beane drafted poorly?

Edited November 8, 2021 by Nelius

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Tough choice but McDermott had two head scratching decisions today. First he declined the holding call leading to the game winning FG. Then he stood there with the challenge flag in his hand and called a timeout. 

[Toyo321]

3 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Tough choice but McDermott had two head scratching decisions today. First he declined the holding call leading to the game winning FG. Then he stood there with the challenge flag in his hand and called a timeout. 

McD in the last two games should have pulled Daboll aside and Allen too,  and come up with a game plan that works around this OL weaknesses.  Every week we see the same Daboll lame play calling as the OL gets exposed over and over again, and its so obvious that this head coach does not know how to make changes within a game or at halftime and neither does his offensive coordinator.  McD is afraid to even toss the damn red flag because he apparently is to chicken sh** to make a mistake.  He did this last year too.  He is starting to show his weakness, his game planning is non existent.  What we saw today is exactly what we saw last week.  The only difference is Josh had a epic meltdown today and we lost because of this.

[Draconator]

To the original poster, can you please, PLEASE, edit the topic title and poll and spell our General Manager's last name correctly? Sheesh

[John from Riverside]

Definitely a combination of both if you’re going to blame someone our offense of line is no we’re good enough that means that whoever is coaching them is not good enough which means that the talent is not good enough that’s a combination of both

 

I’m telling you we are his fans are bitching about every little thing about this team today but if that offense of line just played halfway decent we destroy that team and no one is talking like this it starts there and ends there

[Brand J]

Wonder who Beane would’ve taken had the Panthers selected Cody Ford like he initially feared. To think we traded draft picks to move up that round! I also heard he was working the phones to move up for Boogie Basham, but couldn’t consummate a trade. Other GMs wanted that 2nd round pick but Beane was steadfast that Basham was their man and if he wasn’t there, they had a deal in place to move back. The only trade-up I’d score as an A would be Allen. If Knox manages to ascend into an elite TE, thats a another great one, but most often since draft picks are such a crapshoot it’s better to stand pat or trade down.
It’s a shame Cody Ford wasn’t off the board.

[CEN-CAL17]

I just want to hear McDs reaction to why he thinks fans feel this team is not focused enough and why fans feel as if this team isn’t ready every Sunday…. But yet every opposing team treats the bills as a playoff game…….

[MJS]

The blame goes everywhere. They stuck with the oline because of the reduced cap and no money to upgrade. It was a gamble by Beane that it would be sufficient for this season, and it hasn't paid off. That's on Beane. I'm not totally sure what he could have done about the oline given the restrictive cap, but the money to resigning Feliciano and Williams could have gone somewhere else, I suppose. They drafted guys, and Brown looks like a good player, but rookies can't always help right away.

 

McDermott's coaches are not getting the offense ready enough. The offense lacks an identity, lacks creativity, and sometimes play calling is lackluster, especially in the red zone. That's all coaching and scheme and falls at the feet of the offensive coaches, including Daboll, which ultimately comes back to McDermott.

 

And the players are not executing on offense. That's on them.

 

Plenty of blame to go around. Go fix what you can, scheme around what you can't fix, and go win more games.

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I’d say it’s our secondary and good planning by Frazier.  Plus facing bad QB’s. 

Partly true but you still have to give the players credit too. Lets be fair. With exception of the Tenn game the Bills defense has been very good. 

[Dr.Sack]

McD & Beane both look bad. If we tank or play heads may roll. I see us making to 10 wins at this point. I dont see us having any easy games here on out with the issues on OL & at RB. 

[Roundybout]

4 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

No, I like the fact he spelled it Bean, because of the current OL situation, lol. Comedy.

Don't draft two DE's in the first two rounds is a start.

 

Also, stop relying on unconvincing "cheap" RB talent.

 

We obviously needed a pass rush after last season, and it's worked so far. Rousseau is a monster and the heir apparent to Hughes. I don't really know why we took Basham except maybe he was BPA on our board? Our other ends are getting old. 

[Einstein]

My vote would be for Beane.

 

I think he values his draft picks far too much. It was clear that our run game and offensive line was not up to standards prior to the trade deadline and he was not aggressive enough in finding talent to fix that.

 

I favor the Rams model of trading draft picks for proven players, rather than taking 50/50 (or worse odds) in the draft.

 

I would much rather have a solid offensive linemen or two than a 1st or 2nd round pick in 6 months after another no-SB season.

[Olliemets]

Beane's not prioritizing the OL the elephant in the room for the entire season, but I'm putting yesterday on McD. Team was not ready to play. Seemed like there were zero adjustments made during the game. Declining the Penalty and absolutely awful management of his Time Outs are on him.