It’s Daboll, please fire him

[716er]

1 minute ago, BBills88 said:

Dabol need time off to deal with the loss of his family members. Let Ken Dorsey get a shot for a few games.

oh my god

 

Offense needs to execute period

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m a Bills fan tired of mediocrity. 

Everyone of us want a Super Bowl win and disgusted by the way we played today.  You’re just more dramatic than all of us.

[727Bills]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

The problems in this game begin and end with the OL.  They couldn’t pass block or run block.  Try scheming your way around that.  

Um so you're saying Dabol has no plays in the playbook that are specifically designed to get the ball out quickly if you're getting tons of pressure? Or are you saying he was too stubborn to run these plays? Either one is not a good look for him.

 

If he has no plays, then he doesn't have a complete professional playbook.

 

If he has these plays and failed to call them because he was too stubborn then again that's on him.

 

I refuse to believe our OL is so bad (I know they are bad)  that they couldn't hold up on 3 step drop and ball is out passing plays.  These guys cannot and haven't shown they can block for 4/5 seconds and we still run plays like we think they can.

 

The problem is it seems he doesn't want to adjust and call plays that will help minimize the deficiency, just stay the course and hoping for a different outcome.....

[Augie]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

He doesn’t even know the concept of a slant. If McDermott wants to prove he still has control of this team, he needs to look for a new OC tomorrow. 

 

It’s 4D chess. They are trying to avoid having him poached by another team looking for a head coach. I think it’s working! 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, 727Bills said:

Um so you're saying Dabol has no plays in the playbook that are specifically designed to get the ball out quickly if you're getting tons of pressure? Or are you saying he was too stubborn to run these plays? Either one is not a good look for him.

 

If he has no plays, then he doesn't have a complete professional playbook.

 

If he has these plays and failed to call them because he was too stubborn then again that's on him.

 

I refuse to believe our OL is so bad (I know they are bad)  that they couldn't hold up on 3 step drop and ball is out passing plays.  These guys cannot and haven't shown they can block for 4/5 seconds and we still run plays like we think they can.

 

The problem is it seems he doesn't want to adjust and call plays that will help minimize the deficiency, just stay the course and hoping for a different outcome.....

I watched several guys get through our OL in one second. I watched Darryl Williams let a guy through and block no one.

[Bookie Man]

Yes. In a game like today's, you have to at least try to establish a running game. 2nd drive of the 2nd have they started to, and it was working. I was hoping Daboll would get a HC last season. Dorsey > Daboll. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

LOL and there's another thread started 4 or 5 days ago, stating Daboll may go to Bears next year and everyone was worried sick about losing him.

If the Bears even want him that means he sucks.

[727Bills]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I watched several guys get through our OL in one second. I watched Darryl Williams let a guy through and block no one.

Yes for sure there were some of those but that wasn't happening every play.  There were times they held up long enough but it was either a slow developing play or Allen not seeing something he liked.

 

And for the love of God stop the passes behind the LOS, terrible.  We cant block but we are expecting our guys to get out in front on a swing or wr/rb  screen and block.... Laughable 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

How about this gem towards the end of the first half right after the Jags fumble ?

 

1st & 10 at BUF 20

(1:24 - 2nd) (Shotgun) J.Allen up the middle to BUF 21 for 1 yard (J.Allen).

 

 

[Comebackkid]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

Everyone always wants to blame the coordinator and it’s never the coordinator.

i definitely wouldn't say "never"

[Bferra13]

He sucks. I want him gone. Glad you made the thread because I have been thinking it all year long. 

[Weatherman]

3 hours ago, jethro_tull said:

The first down calls have been repetitive and therefore predictable and stopped easily.  The creativity and change ups seem to have vanished.  They know what they are doing, the question is why.  

We averaged 1 yard in first down against the Jags.  That’s all you need to know.  Daboll and the entire oline need to go. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Nope OP, not today. You’re not going to make me flip like a weather vane for the 3rd time in 3 years, and help call for Dabs’ head to roll…yet. But another clunker like this one next week, and we’ll at least talk. Fair enough? 

[strive_for_five_guy]

We come into today leading the league in points per game,

throw up an offensive stinker and some are calling for Daboll to be fired. RIDICULOUS LOL.  No doubt there’s a bunch they need to clean up, but let’s not jump from the ledge just yet.

[Milanos Milano]

2 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

He sucks. I want him gone. Glad you made the thread because I have been thinking it all year long. 

 

We have Allen, Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, and Davis. That’s a top group and no and I mean absolutely no reason to lose to a team like the Jags. Other super bowl teams have won with much less. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, ßookie_tech said:

Yes. In a game like today's, you have to at least try to establish a running game. 2nd drive of the 2nd have they started to, and it was working. I was hoping Daboll would get a HC last season. Dorsey > Daboll. 

Maybe the Bears will be dumb enough to hire him. 

Please......

[Richard Noggin]

6 hours ago, jethro_tull said:

The first down calls have been repetitive and therefore predictable and stopped easily.  The creativity and change ups seem to have vanished.  They know what they are doing, the question is why.  

He admitted to sandbagging as a playcaller leading up to the KC game. He's not calling our best plays against lesser opponents. What the eff is with the bull#### first down play calls! If we can't run well, why the eff are we suddenly insisting on running on first down? It's not like Daboll is effectively catching defenses off-balance with play-action or any other such scheming off his horrible first down playcalling. So what is it other than arrogance and a lack of fundamental synchronization between the run and pass games?

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

We come into today leading the league in points per game,

throw up an offensive stinker and some are calling for Daboll to be fired. RIDICULOUS LOL.  No doubt there’s a bunch they need to clean up, but let’s not jump from the ledge just yet.

I've disliked his play-calling the entire time. Obviously the Bills offense has been productive with Josh Allen and Brian Daboll. But is that because of Josh Allen, or because Daboll calls such a well-sequenced game? 

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

He doesn’t even know the concept of a slant. If McDermott wants to prove he still has control of this team, he needs to look for a new OC tomorrow. 

You know that’s not happening

 

6 hours ago, Governor said:

Nope. Bad players overrated by fans.

Who are the bad players

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, BillsFan1 said:

The FO went all in on DLINE and the OLINE falls apart lol.   

Ford not panning out said this team way back

[Do The Reich Thing]

The Bills offensive play calling is nothing Ike last year. Idk if Dabs is trying new things or if he’s not their mentally due to the recent deaths close to him. 

[Búfalo Blanco]

Buffalo is averaging 27 rushing attempts per game… with Allen averaging 7 attempts. So the RBs are at 20 attempts on average. Hell, Carlos Hyde had 21 attempts alone today… with no Robinson. Daboll, during most game scripts at least, REFUSES to even attempt to run the ball. Add to that, an OL that has become a liability in pass protection and a QB who holds the ball too long at times.. and it’s a recipe for disaster. I’m not saying you have to be “Greg Roman” obsessive with the running game, but ya know… give it a try every once in a quarter.  I’d love to imagine the Bills with a “Jerome Bettis” type bruiser alternating with Moss and/or Singletary, adding an additional 7-10 attempts per game. The offense would be far more balanced with that approach. It’ll never happen with this OC. 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

I think josh made the diggs decision late in the fourth quarter.  And I agree with it.  It’s time to start dictating in that respect.  
 

and it’s time to figure out something at guard. If that means Bates goes at RT next week if Brown is still out, so be it.  There’s no place for josh to step up, and it’s a huge issue. 

 

I don't think Bates is much better than what is out there myself but at this stage it is worth a crack.

[JoPoy88]

8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

He doesn’t even know the concept of a slant. If McDermott wants to prove he still has control of this team, he needs to look for a new OC tomorrow. 

Didn’t know Daboll was responsible for the offensive linemen becoming turnstiles, or for the QB regressing back to his rookie year.

[MJS]

9 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

This whole coaching staff is overrated but nobody is getting fired although I suggested we release a bum like Cody Ford immediately to send a message.

 

And I still don't understand why Frazier (and McD) insist on sitting in soft zone especially against a rookie QB and they should have been blitzing on pretty much every down. Be just a little aggressive and the defense probably wins the game today.

The defense gave up 9 points even when the offense turned the ball over three times.

 

What on Earth are you even talking about? How can you place even one ounce of blame on the defense?

[Wayne Cubed]

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

I watched several guys get through our OL in one second. I watched Darryl Williams let a guy through and block no one.

 

Yea, can't really say it's on Daboll completely. The WGR crew(Jeremy) were moaning that they need throw deep or intermediate. The problem there is the OL. Sometimes they hold up, sometimes they don't. How the hell is Daboll suppose to know when they will and when they won't? They are completely inconsitant and terrible. Call a long pass play, it's a jail break. Call a intermediate route, they hold up. 

 

Honestly, the OL is the #1 problem with the offense. I think Daboll has no clue what he can and can't call without exposing Josh to pressure.

2 hours ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

Buffalo is averaging 27 rushing attempts per game… with Allen averaging 7 attempts. So the RBs are at 20 attempts on average. Hell, Carlos Hyde had 21 attempts alone today… with no Robinson. Daboll, during most game scripts at least, REFUSES to even attempt to run the ball. Add to that, an OL that has become a liability in pass protection and a QB who holds the ball too long at times.. and it’s a recipe for disaster. I’m not saying you have to be “Greg Roman” obsessive with the running game, but ya know… give it a try every once in a quarter.  I’d love to imagine the Bills with a “Jerome Bettis” type bruiser alternating with Moss and/or Singletary, adding an additional 7-10 attempts per game. The offense would be far more balanced with that approach. It’ll never happen with this OC. 

 

This OL can't run block either. They aren't maulers. This is why the Bills don't run and when they do it's not very successful. Has nothing to do with establishing the run game.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Yea, can't really say it's on Daboll completely. The WGR crew(Jeremy) were moaning that they need throw deep or intermediate. The problem there is the OL. Sometimes they hold up, sometimes they don't. How the hell is Daboll suppose to know when they will and when they won't? They are completely inconsitant and terrible. Call a long pass play, it's a jail break. Call a intermediate route, they hold up. 

 

Honestly, the OL is the #1 problem with the offense. I think Daboll has no clue what he can and can't call without exposing Josh to pressure.

 

This OL can't run block either. They aren't maulers. This is why the Bills don't run and when they do it's not very successful. Has nothing to do with establishing the run game.

 

The bolded is absolutely it. I think where I am critical of Daboll is he is getting away from what we do too quickly because he is coaching scared of his oline. We ran 15 screens last week. Fifteen!! We are not a screen team that is featuring something we are not good at and not comfortable with. I didn't count how many there were yesterday but is was multiple. I will have to go back and count. I'd rather him try and call our offense and just say to Josh "when the jailbreaks come, throw it away and get out of dodge"

[TBBills]

I had a feeling this would happen after all this nonsense of "need to run the ball more"... 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Didn’t know Daboll was responsible for the offensive linemen becoming turnstiles, or for the QB regressing back to his rookie year.

What in the world has happened to Darryl Williams? Wasn’t he a pro bowler last year? He’s absolutely useless now..,

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 It’s Daboll, please fire him   

 

 

It really isn't. We really shouldn't.

 

He certainly deserves his share of the blame. But there was an awful lot of it to go around, and putting it all on him is scapegoating.

[Wayne Cubed]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The bolded is absolutely it. I think where I am critical of Daboll is he is getting away from what we do too quickly because he is coaching scared of his oline. We ran 15 screens last week. Fifteen!! We are not a screen team that is featuring something we are not good at and not comfortable with. I didn't count how many there were yesterday but is was multiple. I will have to go back and count. I'd rather him try and call our offense and just say to Josh "when the jailbreaks come, throw it away and get out of dodge"

 

Yea I'd prefer Daboll stick with what he knows will work. Second half against Miami they went to that, just feeding Beasley on the short stuff. I think Beas being dinged up this week didn't help but then I always think where's McKenzie? I've always thought he was a Beasley in waiting kind of like when the Pats*** had Julien Edelman to replace Wes Welker. I think becuase he's the return guy they don't want to expose him on offense.

[Scott7975]

6 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

We come into today leading the league in points per game,

throw up an offensive stinker and some are calling for Daboll to be fired. RIDICULOUS LOL.  No doubt there’s a bunch they need to clean up, but let’s not jump from the ledge just yet.

 

Lets be fair and think about this though.  We played some crappy teams.  Our D gave us more possessions and great field position in a lot of those games. Our scoring % in the red zone is 4th best in the league but our TD % in the red zone is 7th worst in the league.  Put this all together and you have an offense that kicks a lot of field goals after having great field position against some pretty crappy teams.  Our sole quality win was against the Chiefs who are pretty dog crap this year.  The head line for the Chiefs was they had back to back wins after defeating the Rogersless GB packers.  They scored 13 points.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Scott7975

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

He admitted to sandbagging as a playcaller leading up to the KC game. He's not calling our best plays against lesser opponents. What the eff is with the bull#### first down play calls! If we can't run well, why the eff are we suddenly insisting on running on first down? It's not like Daboll is effectively catching defenses off-balance with play-action or any other such scheming off his horrible first down playcalling. So what is it other than arrogance and a lack of fundamental synchronization between the run and pass games?

 

It seems to me they tried to evolve the offense this season and its not working.  They need to go back to last season.  Even the passing game is not the same.  There isn't much motion.  There are no McKenzie jet sweeps or anything of the sort from last season.  Just go back to it.  It worked.  Yes, it didn't work against KC, but it worked all season long.  I get that they are trying to run the football but its not going to happen.  Go back to what works.

4 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I've disliked his play-calling the entire time. Obviously the Bills offense has been productive with Josh Allen and Brian Daboll. But is that because of Josh Allen, or because Daboll calls such a well-sequenced game? 

Daboll definitely does not call a well-sequenced game.  Even last year he didn't.

[SectionC3]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Bates is much better than what is out there myself but at this stage it is worth a crack.

 

I'm with you 100% of the way.  I'm out of answers. 

4 hours ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

Buffalo is averaging 27 rushing attempts per game… with Allen averaging 7 attempts. So the RBs are at 20 attempts on average. Hell, Carlos Hyde had 21 attempts alone today… with no Robinson. Daboll, during most game scripts at least, REFUSES to even attempt to run the ball. Add to that, an OL that has become a liability in pass protection and a QB who holds the ball too long at times.. and it’s a recipe for disaster. I’m not saying you have to be “Greg Roman” obsessive with the running game, but ya know… give it a try every once in a quarter.  I’d love to imagine the Bills with a “Jerome Bettis” type bruiser alternating with Moss and/or Singletary, adding an additional 7-10 attempts per game. The offense would be far more balanced with that approach. It’ll never happen with this OC. 

 

The OL is so bad that it's almost pointless to try to run.  The backs (save for Brieda ) aren't fast enough to get to the edge.  Singletary and Moss are dodging traffic in the backfield every time they get the ball on runs between the tackles.  So what is he to do?  Maybe mix in a draw here in there?  Fine.  Run on second and long?  The guys on GR are killing him for it, but now perhaps we see why he runs the ball in an advantageous situation.  I am not a Zack Moss fan, but there's a reason why Josh Allen has been our go-to short yardage back for way too long.  

[Meatloaf63]

12 hours ago, FireChans said:

Point to a specific playcall that lost us the game!

Rpo Allen fumble…

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Rpo Allen fumble…

The playcall isn’t “make the wrong read and fumble”

[TBBills]

5 hours ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

Buffalo is averaging 27 rushing attempts per game… with Allen averaging 7 attempts. So the RBs are at 20 attempts on average. Hell, Carlos Hyde had 21 attempts alone today… with no Robinson. Daboll, during most game scripts at least, REFUSES to even attempt to run the ball. Add to that, an OL that has become a liability in pass protection and a QB who holds the ball too long at times.. and it’s a recipe for disaster. I’m not saying you have to be “Greg Roman” obsessive with the running game, but ya know… give it a try every once in a quarter.  I’d love to imagine the Bills with a “Jerome Bettis” type bruiser alternating with Moss and/or Singletary, adding an additional 7-10 attempts per game. The offense would be far more balanced with that approach. It’ll never happen with this OC. 

Last thing you want is more running when that isn't what the Bills do well.

[Back2Buff]

Is McKenzie not allowed to play on offense now that he returns punts and kicks?

 

Is Stevenson not healthy yet?  On his instagram it seems to look like he is ready.  Get rid of Kucherow, he's useless on offense.

 

Put Brieda in.

 

Speed was the problem last year and they got slower this year.

[bigduke6]

i counted mbe 2 running plays where Devin or Zack didnt get touched in the backfield b4 they got back to the line,  and that was against 4 rushers.......

u can think that its Dabolls fault all u want,   players need to actually perform their jobs in a semi competent way.    the OLine was at an all-time trash level yesterday.  end of story.    

 

now as an OC,  how do u counter OLine play thats really that bad?    screens?  nope    short passing game?  tried that,  didnt work.    5 step, or 7 step drop,  guess not cuz Josh was running for his life all game.     faked the inside handoff a ton,   that may have worked if u gashed them up the middle a few times,  but thats all Josh did was fake it,  never gave it to Devin.     what exactly were the options?

 

there really isnt a way to cover up atrocious OLine play or DLine play.    u win in this league in the trenches.   always have,  always will.

Edited November 8, 2021 by bigduke6

[dave mcbride]

13 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We were winning in spite of Daboll. Why do you think Allen wanted more control over play calling? I’m so tired of the designed play run calls and then get mad when Allen fumbles. 

That run and fumble is all on Allen. It’s an option play and he always takes the ball instead of handing it off. It’s extremely predictable at this point. Allen was absolutely terrible yesterday. That second down play on their final possession was indicative — he tries for the crazy throw after he starts running when he probably would have gotten the first on a run. The hero-ball throw to Diggs on the final play was inexplicable given that Sanders was open and at the first down marker.

Just now, bigduke6 said:

i counted mbe 2 running plays where Devin or Zack didnt get touched in the backfield b4 they got back to the line,  and that was against 4 rushers.......

u can think that its Daboll fault all u want,   players need to actually perform their jobs in a semi competent way.    the OLine was at an all-time trash level yesterday.  end of story.    

 

now as an OC,  how do u counter OLine play thats really that bad?    screens?  nope    short passing game?  tried that,  didnt work.    5 step, or 7 step drop,  guess not cuz Josh was running for his life all game.     faked the inside handoff a ton,   that may have worked if u gashed them up the middle a few times,  but thats all Josh did was fake it,  never gave it to Devin.     what exactly were the options?

Agreed, but as I said above, Allen deserves a lot of the blame. He made so many bad decisions yesterday. He wa of course not helped by his terrible line.