Back2Buff Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Watching the Tyler Bass highlights on the Bills website and noticed how well and quickly he is able to hold the ball for Bass. Bojo was an absolute trainwreck, and Haack deserves credit for getting the placement correctly and real quick. Not all the snaps were perfect either. 7 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Congratulations Matt on doing your job - and being paid relatively handsomely to do it. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Being a good place holder isn't easy. Glad he can " Haack" it. 😉 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Now if he can only get his punting together... Edited November 5, 2021 by StHustle 3 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Haack is terrible at punting. Glad he can hold a ball though. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Wonder why they never tried the backup QB as a holder with Bojo. Id rather still have Bojo if he didn't have to be the placeholder too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Herc11 said: Wonder why they never tried the backup QB as a holder with Bojo. Id rather still have Bojo if he didn't have to be the placeholder too. Agreed. But I don’t think Bojo was a disaster. He made a mistake here or there but people overreacted to the few times he misheld a field goal. I would take Bojo back in an instant. 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 How do kickers become stars? Big game game winning kicks? Bass might be the best kicker in football right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 You have to pick your poison. Haack is a better placeholder on FGs and PATs, but he clearly doesn't have the blig leg to flip field position that Bojo has. In a couple Green Bay games I have seen, Bojo has launched some huge kicks, but there have also been compaints by PK Mason Crosby about his poor holds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Awesome... He can do the easy part of his job. Like it's hard to do. Now if only he can do the part that matters most. Edited November 5, 2021 by TBBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, msw2112 said: In a couple Green Bay games I have seen, Bojo has launched some huge kicks, but there have also been compaints by PK Mason Crosby about his poor holds. I don’t think that’s true. One announcer made a comment that maybe Crosby’s poor kicking day was because of laces, but I dont think Crosby every said anything. Upon review, the snap was bad by the LS and Bojo had to quickly spin the ball. Edited November 5, 2021 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Toejam 34 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Isn't his goal to make the routine plays routinely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 He can hold the ball… so long his punt gets blocked! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Why can't the long snapper, holder, and kicker go off on their own and practice all day, instead of standing on the sidelines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Aside from his shanking punts occasionally, apparently he has great hang time on them and very few yards after the catch. His usefulness is significantly greater than his predecessor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Is this the first ever shoutout to a holder? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Now if he can only getting his punting together... Agree, he’s one of those players, who for some reason, I continually expect the worst out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Herc11 said: Wonder why they never tried the backup QB as a holder with Bojo. Id rather still have Bojo if he didn't have to be the placeholder too. It makes more sense to me to try someone like Taiwan jones instead. A better athlete and he can probably get enough reps in to handle it. Plus gives you a lot of fake punt options. Edited November 5, 2021 by 4BillsintheBurgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said: Congratulations Matt on doing your job - and being paid relatively handsomely to do it. Seriously. It’s probably like a 60/40 split holding/punting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 The holds have been great. The punting has been below average. We lost the Steelers game because he took an hour to punt. I'm not ready to give him a "shout out" for doing 1 of his 2 responsibilities well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 There's going come a time when we need a 56 yard booming punt and get a 33 yard shank. I appreciate his holding skills for Bass, but his net punts are awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 As a punter, he’s somewhere between Greg Cater and John Kidd. Not a weapon, and occasionally a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rockinon said: Aside from his shanking punts occasionally, apparently he has great hang time on them and very few yards after the catch. His usefulness is significantly greater than his predecessor. Haack is: 27th in average punt T-27th in punts landing inside the 20 28th in net punting average 31st in fair catches He is terrible in every punting statistic that I can find. As for last year… Edited November 5, 2021 by Einstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 We used to have 2 kickers. Why not 2 punters? One to punt & 1 to hold on kicks. 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Herc11 said: Wonder why they never tried the backup QB as a holder with Bojo. Id rather still have Bojo if he didn't have to be the placeholder too. We keep a lot of guys for ST who are waaay down in the depth chart. Does Taiwan Jones block for field goals? He is like RB7, if he’s not blocking that feels like a very teachable skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Yes, he doesn't kick far and he does shank them more than we like. I do like that he is a good at taking the snap and getting the ball right for a scoring opportunity. Also like that hang time. No one is breaking off a big return because of it. Also, he is not punting very much to get those punts dropped behind the 20. I hate those shanks. It seems to me he is trying to drop punts close to the out of bounds line on purpose and missing by that much? I agree, he doesn't have a strong leg. I'm just not sure it's as bad as all that. Edited November 5, 2021 by Rockinon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Rockinon said: Yes, he doesn't kick far and he does shank them more than we like. I do like that he is a good at taking the snap and getting the ball right for a scoring opportunity. Also like that hang time. No one is breaking off a big return because of it. Also, he is not punting very much to get those punts dropped behind the 20. I hate those shanks. It seems to me he is trying to drop punts close to the out of bounds line on purpose and missing by that much? I agree, he doesn't have a strong leg. I'm just not sure it's as bad as all that. I can’t seem to find hang time stats anywhere. Where are you finding them? As for the excuse that him not punting a lot is why he isn’t getting many punts inside the 20 - Consider this: He is T-25th for the % of punts inside the 20. So even accounting for him punting less, he’s still bad. . Edited November 6, 2021 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, Einstein said: Haack is: 27th in average punt T-27th in punts landing inside the 20 28th in net punting average 31st in fair catches He is terrible in every punting statistic that I can find. As for last year… Bojo has 8 more punts than Haack. Crosby has had 4 misses this season and even ripped Bojo on his hold in one game (cant remember which but I think he missed 3 kicks that game). Meanwhile Bass has been perfect for FGs with Haack holding the kick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Bojo has 8 more punts than Haack. Crosby has had 4 misses this season and even ripped Bojo on his hold in one game (cant remember which but I think he missed 3 kicks that game). Meanwhile Bass has been perfect for FGs with Haack holding the kick. Why would the amount of punts matter? Even when looking at %, Bojo is significantly better than Haack. As for the holds, a film review showed that it was the snappers fault. Not Bojo’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: It makes more sense to me to try someone like Taiwan jones instead. A better athlete and he can probably get enough reps in to handle it. Plus gives you a lot of fake punt options. And when the gunner gets hurt on a violent tackle he has to make, who holds for the fg? Or does not trying fg's from time to time become normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Herc11 said: Wonder why they never tried the backup QB as a holder with Bojo. Id rather still have Bojo if he didn't have to be the placeholder too. I've read that teams have moved away from backup QB's as holders because the punter , being on special teams, can practice more with special teams than a QB can ,who needs to spend his time with the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Einstein said: Haack is terrible at punting. Glad he can hold a ball though. He's not a punter, he's a ball catcher & spinner! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 I still don't understand the change in punters and giving Haack a 3 year deal on top of it. Bojo often flipped the field, Haack cannot do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Haack is: 27th in average punt T-27th in punts landing inside the 20 28th in net punting average 31st in fair catches He is terrible in every punting statistic that I can find. As for last year… Re those stats, we also now know why their “hang time” is comparable. Haack takes like 3 extra steps before he punts!! 22 minutes ago, klos63 said: I've read that teams have moved away from backup QB's as holders because the punter , being on special teams, can practice more with special teams than a QB can ,who needs to spend his time with the offense. I read that too. But then why not have a WR, like a Kumerow hold? He pretty much only plays special teams and as a receiver, he probably has better hands than the punter to catch and spin the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, Einstein said: Why would the amount of punts matter? Even when looking at %, Bojo is significantly better than Haack. As for the holds, a film review showed that it was the snappers fault. Not Bojo’s. Looking at what %? Sorry. Not sure what you mean by that. Yes, Bojo is a longer punter for sure but feel like he tends to "outkick" the coverage. The film review showed that the snapper was at fault? You have a link for this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 42 minutes ago, Motorin' said: And when the gunner gets hurt on a violent tackle he has to make, who holds for the fg? Or does not trying fg's from time to time become normal? For part of a game, sure. There are less and less st plays anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Einstein said: Haack is terrible at punting. Glad he can hold a ball though. I'm still waiting for the fake punt... Haack has some wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: It makes more sense to me to try someone like Taiwan jones instead. A better athlete and he can probably get enough reps in to handle it. Plus gives you a lot of fake punt options. I just bring up the backup QB, because that was standard practice before teams largely started using the punters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: Looking at what %? Sorry. Not sure what you mean by that. Yes, Bojo is a longer punter for sure but feel like he tends to "outkick" the coverage. The film review showed that the snapper was at fault? You have a link for this? The snaps were poor on field goals that game. On the first miss, Bojo had to pull it down and spin. On the third miss, wobbled out and Bojo had to get it down just in time. It wasn’t Bojo’s fault. People just rushed to judgment. Edited November 6, 2021 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Re those stats, we also now know why their “hang time” is comparable. Haack takes like 3 extra steps before he punts!! I read that too. But then why not have a WR, like a Kumerow hold? He pretty much only plays special teams and as a receiver, he probably has better hands than the punter to catch and spin the ball. like Bobby Chandler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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