Bills sign Taron Johnson to 3 year extension

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

2 Pro Bowls in 3 seasons.

Team leader in Tackles since being here.

Captain of the number 1 defense in the NFL.

Teams game plan against him.

Reigning AFC Defensive Player of the Week.  

4 years in the league, starter all 4 years. 

5th year option picked up.

 

He isn't the best MLB in football, but you would be hard pressed to find anyone who analyzes players for a living that would not list Edmunds in the top 10 of MLB's in the NFL right now.  

 

And considering MORE than 50% of all draft picks selected where he was chosen BUST in the NFL, I would say that is a hit by any measure.  So I stand by my original critique of your scale of what a "hit" or a "miss" is as severely flawed.  

 

 

 

I appreciate your insightful and respectful post.

 

I do have a rebuttal for a lot of your points, but it's Saturday night and I'm not going to get into it haha.

 

Thanks for the post again buddy as you always bring insight.

 

Have a good night !

[BADOLBILZ]

 

It's nice that they are trying to keep good players,  but as I've said before............I don't want to see this team spend/invest lopsidedly on defense and then just tell Josh Allen to be like Aaron Rodgers has for the past 15 years.

 

Every year GB drafts defense in round 1.   When they spend in free agency,  it's usually been on defense.    That's ultimately what pissed Rodgers off.

 

The Packers have asked their QB to shoulder the load with less talent investment on the offensive side of the ball.......and as good as Josh Allen is.......this isn't 2015 anymore........there are more good QB's in the league than there were then so the VAST separation Rodgers had against other QB's may not be happening for Allen with guys like Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar, Burrow, Lawrence etc.. all in the AFC.   Pro Bowl Tyrod Taylor wouldn't be making a pro bowl in the 2020's. 

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

It's nice that they are trying to keep good players,  but as I've said before............I don't want to see this team spend/invest lopsidedly on defense and then just tell Josh Allen to be like Aaron Rodgers has for the past 15 years.

 

Every year GB drafts defense in round 1.   When they spend in free agency,  it's usually been on defense.    That's ultimately what pissed Rodgers off.

 

The Packers have asked their QB to shoulder the load with less talent investment on the offensive side of the ball.......and as good as Josh Allen is.......this isn't 2015 anymore........there are more good QB's in the league than there were then so the VAST separation Rodgers had against other QB's may not be happening for Allen with guys like Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar, Burrow, Lawrence etc.. all in the AFC.   Pro Bowl Tyrod Taylor wouldn't be making a pro bowl in the 2020's. 

I hear ya. I do think in this case though that you keep players who make impact plays that win big games. I'm not going to pick on the other players on D who got paid cause I like them, but to me, Taron was a priority.

[Coach Tuesday]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

It's nice that they are trying to keep good players,  but as I've said before............I don't want to see this team spend/invest lopsidedly on defense and then just tell Josh Allen to be like Aaron Rodgers has for the past 15 years.

 

Every year GB drafts defense in round 1.   When they spend in free agency,  it's usually been on defense.    That's ultimately what pissed Rodgers off.

 

The Packers have asked their QB to shoulder the load with less talent investment on the offensive side of the ball.......and as good as Josh Allen is.......this isn't 2015 anymore........there are more good QB's in the league than there were then so the VAST separation Rodgers had against other QB's may not be happening for Allen with guys like Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar, Burrow, Lawrence etc.. all in the AFC.   Pro Bowl Tyrod Taylor wouldn't be making a pro bowl in the 2020's. 

Right now they don’t even have those decisions to make - they don’t have a single young player on offense besides Josh whom they’d need to worry about signing.  Sad but true.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Awesome news! May be the most difficult position to play. He has earned it.

His INT return for a TD in the playoffs may be the second biggest positive play in Bills history after the Mike Stratton hit. 

[Green Lightning]

10 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Yeah… this is definitely on the high end for a NCB. Only Kenny Moore makes more. Taron slots in above Mike Hilton, Jonathan Jones and Bryce Callahan now. 
 

Not the end of the world considering we played like 91% of our defensive snaps in Nickel last year. It’s a valuable, starting position in our defense. 

Agree. Taron has gotten better every year and makes big plays. I don't mind paying for a young ascending player. As you point out, NCB is a huge part of our scheme. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Is that comment really necessary man?

It's my opinion and I wasn't being obnoxious about it at all. I may be wrong that's ok.

 

Anyways hope you have a good night.

“Opinion.” 
 

I was raised to keep my “opinions” to myself unless I had spent enough time vetting them that I wouldn’t come across like an idiot.

 

You were apparently raised differently. 
 

Anyway, go Bills. 

[MJS]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

Slot corners don’t make that kind of money.  
 

I think 7.5M is a bit steep for a nickel Cb but considering our scheme, I figured we might over pay to keep him.  Not that he’s not worth the money…..I just didn’t think we’d pay him that much

I think he's like Milano in that when he is injured and misses time, it causes ripples through the whole defense. It take multiple players to replace their on-field duties and you also miss out on their big plays that they have a knack for.

[BillsFan130]

14 minutes ago, eball said:

“Opinion.” 
 

I was raised to keep my “opinions” to myself unless I had spent enough time vetting them that I wouldn’t come across like an idiot.

 

You were apparently raised differently. 
 

Anyway, go Bills. 

I mean, I wasn't " venting"at all lol.

 

I was sharing an opinion about Edmunds on a bills message board in a respectful, calm manner.

 

But anyways , hope You feel better about yourself 

 

 

 

 

[unbillievable]

Milano  (3mil) and Johnson (2mil) gave the Bills 5mil in hometown discounts.

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

 

I appreciate your insightful and respectful post.

 

I do have a rebuttal for a lot of your points, but it's Saturday night and I'm not going to get into it haha.

 

Thanks for the post again buddy as you always bring insight.

 

Have a good night !

All good browski.  Enjoy Saturday night, I’m doing the same and let’s go Bills on Sunday.  F the Chiefs.

 

For the record, this game is big game and test for Edmunds and the rest of the D.  We have dominated weak competition, but now we all need to see them step up and hold their own against the Chiefs.  
 

And for the record, while I will defend whether Edmunds is hit or miss today in relation to his draft, I am not committed to him for a new big contract until I see him make an impact in big moments too.   That’s true for everyone on the team.  In the previous 2 Chiefs games our team as a whole wasn’t up to the task.  It’s time for them to mature in being the fire against a team standing in their way.  
 

And I’m not even demanding they must win, it’s a long season.  But if they don’t win, they better look the part and take it down to the wire and show we at least have the ability to beat them.  Last 2 games they played like they were no where close to beating them in all facets of the game and were dominated in the trenches.

Edited October 10, 2021 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

It's nice that they are trying to keep good players,  but as I've said before............I don't want to see this team spend/invest lopsidedly on defense and then just tell Josh Allen to be like Aaron Rodgers has for the past 15 years.

 

Every year GB drafts defense in round 1.   When they spend in free agency,  it's usually been on defense.    That's ultimately what pissed Rodgers off.

 

The Packers have asked their QB to shoulder the load with less talent investment on the offensive side of the ball.......and as good as Josh Allen is.......this isn't 2015 anymore........there are more good QB's in the league than there were then so the VAST separation Rodgers had against other QB's may not be happening for Allen with guys like Mahomes, Herbert, Lamar, Burrow, Lawrence etc.. all in the AFC.   Pro Bowl Tyrod Taylor wouldn't be making a pro bowl in the 2020's. 

 

It is a point on the defense and it does just give me pause on what they are planning with Edmunds. I still lean towards they will extend him but let's say they do and the let Hughes and Addison walk. That is still: Lotulelei, Milano, Edmunds, Johnson, Hyde, Poyer and White that you are "paying" on your defense. That is a lot. 

 

The cap is very malleable though and so long as the Pegulas are willing to pony up the cash up front the Bills can somewhat kick the can cap wise, especially with TV numbers soaring, crowds back in stadiums and the promise of a major cap bounce back in the next two years. 

 

I agree they need to invest in some more youth on offense though. Another playmaker on that side of the ball should be a priority next April, even if Dawson Knox continues his emergence at tight end.

[John from Riverside]

44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is a point on the defense and it does just give me pause on what they are planning with Edmunds. I still lean towards they will extend him but let's say they do and the let Hughes and Addison walk. That is still: Lotulelei, Milano, Edmunds, Johnson, Hyde, Poyer and White that you are "paying" on your defense. That is a lot. 

 

The cap is very malleable though and so long as the Pegulas are willing to pony up the cash up front the Bills can somewhat kick the can cap wise, especially with TV numbers soaring, crowds back in stadiums and the promise of a major cap bounce back in the next two years. 

 

I agree they need to invest in some more youth on offense though. Another playmaker on that side of the ball should be a priority next April, even if Dawson Knox continues his emergence at tight end.

I feel like at some point the drafting is going to need to shift towards the offense

[JMF2006]

18 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said:

Well deserved.  Dude makes big plays in big moments.

 

Which is the definition of clutch

 

Congrats TJ well deserved  

[JMF2006]

18 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

It’s nice having a pro-active GM, isn’t it, 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

Yes...and getting it done on Chefs week is fantastic

 

These type of things give every guy in that locker room a lift

[Ralonzo]

8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Awesome news! May be the most difficult position to play. He has earned it.

His INT return for a TD in the playoffs may be the second biggest positive play in Bills history after the Mike Stratton hit. 

Did anyone catch the Bills first quarter(ish)-season hype video? Johnson made 4-5 big plays that were significant enough to make the cut. 

[Baba Booey]

If Hyde and Poyer say this kid is one of the best nickel corners in the game, I’ll take their word for it. Congrats Taron!!!

[SoCal Deek]

Very nice! I always find it interesting that while the coaches, players and fans are settled into the week to week rhythm and routine of an NFL Season, the Front Office keeps going about their business of constructing a roster. It’s actually great to know they’re not just sitting their watching TV. 

[BillsFan130]

9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

All good browski.  Enjoy Saturday night, I’m doing the same and let’s go Bills on Sunday.  F the Chiefs.

 

For the record, this game is big game and test for Edmunds and the rest of the D.  We have dominated weak competition, but now we all need to see them step up and hold their own against the Chiefs.  
 

And for the record, while I will defend whether Edmunds is hit or miss today in relation to his draft, I am not committed to him for a new big contract until I see him make an impact in big moments too.   That’s true for everyone on the team.  In the previous 2 Chiefs games our team as a whole wasn’t up to the task.  It’s time for them to mature in being the fire against a team standing in their way.  
 

And I’m not even demanding they must win, it’s a long season.  But if they don’t win, they better look the part and take it down to the wire and show we at least have the ability to beat them.  Last 2 games they played like they were no where close to beating them in all facets of the game and were dominated in the trenches.

All good points buddy.

 

It doesn't sound like we are that far off in terms of our judgement on him. Sounds like you have a slightly higher opinion on him than me.

 

I am by no means saying he sucks or anything like that.

 

I think there are times where he can absolutely dominate a football game, (like last week) and then have times where he looks completely lost out there. (Like against KC last year)

 

I think the Bills picking up his 5th year option kind of reflects that as well.

 

To me it kind of reflects that they "like" him, he's young, he's got great potential, he can dominate some football games, but he also hasn't done it enough consistently to warrant the big contract extension yet.

 

Would you agree with that assessment?

[transplantbillsfan]

Super awesome! Much like Milano... he's one of those late round gems Beane drafted.

 

I'm just so friggin ecstatic at the turnaround for this team over the last few years without high profile trades or free agent signings other than Diggs.

[NewEra]

12 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Right now they don’t even have those decisions to make - they don’t have a single young player on offense besides Josh whom they’d need to worry about signing.  Sad but true.

We don’t have to worry about signing Beasley and Sanders, but they must be replaced, possibly after this season.  
Preferably replaced with players that are better or just as good.  
 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I feel like at some point the drafting is going to need to shift towards the offense

They drafted Knox, Ford, Brown, two rbs, Davis and traded a first for Diggs, and even took a flier on a back up QB all in the last three years. Agree they need to draft center/guard in the future and maybe another TE. After that what else?

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They drafted Knox, Ford, Brown, two rbs, Davis and traded a first for Diggs, and even took a flier on a back up QB all in the last three years. Agree they need to draft center/guard in the future and maybe another TE. After that what else?

 

Receiver.

[f0neguy]

They do need to draft a speed guy but they did get Davis and Hodgins recently.  So I don’t feel Beane has ignored it, it just wasn’t his top priority at the time.  While not “young”, Diggs was their first rounder last year 👍.

[Dopey]

22 hours ago, Joe Mama said:

I always wanted to get my Johnson extended

Now we need you to stick it to those wide receivers and those tight ends. You must be in heaven right now.

[Blank Stare]

12 minutes ago, f0neguy said:

They do need to draft a speed guy

They drafted Marquez Stephenson this year who is fast and his nickname is actually “Speedy”. He looked good in preseason and I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do when given the opportunity. 

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They drafted Knox, Ford, Brown, two rbs, Davis and traded a first for Diggs, and even took a flier on a back up QB all in the last three years. Agree they need to draft center/guard in the future and maybe another TE. After that what else?

 

They've used some draft picks on offense but you listed a bust second rounder and 3 third rounders and a 4th.    

 

Since 2018 they've drafted a MLB and a DT in round 1.........not big dollar positions..........but no offensive skill players.

 

It's not yet gotten absurd like what has gone on in Green Bay..........but it's concerning because it's the easy way to remain "competitive" drafting defenders when you have a dynamic QB who can elevate the performance of those around him.   But it's also proven to be a good way to come up short over and over and diminish the career of a great QB.

 

It is fair to say  that the tops of the Bills drafts have been defense-centric.   Even if you count Diggs as a #1 that's 4 of 6 #1's on defense.

 

And the only player in their back 7 on defense that isn't on a multi-year deal averaging $8M per year now is Edmunds and his cap figure for next year is around $12M.

 

They also had the highest amount of cap dedicated to the DL in the league last year.

 

They have thrown a disproportionate amount of their assets at the defensive side of the ball..........which is a questionable decision in a league where defensive success has proven difficult to sustain from year to year and the rules are set up to promote offense.   If you go back and look at the 13 defensive #1's that GB has taken in the past 16 years it doesn't scream "success".

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

They've used some draft picks on offense but you listed a bust second rounder and 3 third rounders and a 4th.    

 

Since 2018 they've drafted a MLB and a DT in round 1.........not big dollar positions..........but no offensive skill players.

 

It's not yet gotten absurd like what has gone on in Green Bay..........but it's concerning because it's the easy way to remain "competitive" drafting defenders when you have a dynamic QB who can elevate the performance of those around him.   But it's also proven to be a good way to come up short over and over and diminish the career of a great QB.

 

It is fair to say  that the tops of the Bills drafts have been defense-centric.   Even if you count Diggs as a #1 that's 4 of 6 #1's on defense.

 

And the only player in their back 7 on defense that isn't on a multi-year deal averaging $8M per year now is Edmunds and his cap figure for next year is around $12M.

 

They also had the highest amount of cap dedicated to the DL in the league last year.

 

They have thrown a disproportionate amount of their assets at the defensive side of the ball..........which is a questionable decision in a league where defensive success has proven difficult to sustain from year to year and the rules are set up to promote offense.   If you go back and look at the 13 defensive #1's that GB has taken in the past 16 years it doesn't scream "success".

Well except you are forgetting the fact they already have a LT and a Center on big contracts. Using a #1 for a WR counts. And just because Ford is a bust doesn't mean they didn't try. 

Hey I would have drafted Dobbins over Epenesa when they had the chance. 

Next draft they will be picking hopefully last in the first round.  They should trade down and get an extra pick. They need to get an interior linemen and another CB with some size. The young backup safeties have looked good enough and Hyde/Poyer have not slowed down. The only other two positions they need to address are TE# 2 and 1tech NT.

[NewEra]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Receiver.

Yup-  and CB

[Chandler#81]

 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

They drafted Knox, Ford, Brown, two rbs, Davis and traded a first for Diggs, and even took a flier on a back up QB all in the last three years. Agree they need to draft center/guard in the future and maybe another TE. After that what else?

Talking about using our hire pics which tend to go towards defensive players

[GreggTX]

He may never get to a probowl, but he does make a great play now and again. Good signing.

[3rdand12]

I approve of this message.

 Taron is one of my favorites
 you see his number in on so many plays. Has improved his game each season.
We talk about Poyer and Hyde as a great tandem But this kid belongs in the conversation when talking about how effective this Defense has been already this year.
 Love it !

 

 Go Bills

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, GreggTX said:

He may never get to a probowl, but he does make a great play now and again. Good signing.

 

He is a very unsung hero type of player on this defense. 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Well except you are forgetting the fact they already have a LT and a Center on big contracts. Using a #1 for a WR counts. And just because Ford is a bust doesn't mean they didn't try. 

Hey I would have drafted Dobbins over Epenesa when they had the chance. 

Next draft they will be picking hopefully last in the first round.  They should trade down and get an extra pick. They need to get an interior linemen and another CB with some size. The young backup safeties have looked good enough and Hyde/Poyer have not slowed down. The only other two positions they need to address are TE# 2 and 1tech NT.

 

When I am talking about addressing the offense early.........I mean difference makers.........not runnin' bax.

 

I don't disagree with you about the trade down idea......it depends on who is there where they pick but they do need to re-stock positions to help them deal with having so many highly paid players on the roster.

 

Foremost among them.........they need some young WR talent.

 

It's very possible only Diggs and Gabe Davis return to the Bills WR unit next season.

 

And though Davis had a very good rookie season as the 3rd-4th option......... he's not a premium athlete at the position.........he will likely need matchups against lesser coverage players.  

 

Their WR corps does not have a 1B option..........it's Diggs and some 2's and 3's........and with the influx of WR talent into the league the past 2 seasons,  that's not the case everywhere around the league.......there are a number of teams who go 2-3 deep at WR who can be relied on to physically challenge an opponents #1 CB.    

[Aussie Joe]

21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

When I am talking about addressing the offense early.........I mean difference makers.........not runnin' bax.

 

I don't disagree with you about the trade down idea......it depends on who is there where they pick but they do need to re-stock positions to help them deal with having so many highly paid players on the roster.

 

Foremost among them.........they need some young WR talent.

 

It's very possible only Diggs and Gabe Davis return to the Bills WR unit next season.

 

And though Davis had a very good rookie season as the 3rd-4th option......... he's not a premium athlete at the position.........he will likely need matchups against lesser coverage players.  

 

Their WR corps does not have a 1B option..........it's Diggs and some 2's and 3's........and with the influx of WR talent into the league the past 2 seasons,  that's not the case everywhere around the league.......there are a number of teams who go 2-3 deep at WR who can be relied on to physically challenge an opponents #1 CB.    

 

I got nothing against them picking WR's early but they have found good productive players in Free Agency on middling money and the Bills are going to prove to be attractive for veteran talent doing some ring chasing...

 

But hey.. if you can get a Rondale Moore in the second as well then all good..

[TheBeaneBandit]

28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

When I am talking about addressing the offense early.........I mean difference makers.........not runnin' bax.

 

I don't disagree with you about the trade down idea......it depends on who is there where they pick but they do need to re-stock positions to help them deal with having so many highly paid players on the roster.

 

Foremost among them.........they need some young WR talent.

 

It's very possible only Diggs and Gabe Davis return to the Bills WR unit next season.

 

And though Davis had a very good rookie season as the 3rd-4th option......... he's not a premium athlete at the position.........he will likely need matchups against lesser coverage players.  

 

Their WR corps does not have a 1B option..........it's Diggs and some 2's and 3's........and with the influx of WR talent into the league the past 2 seasons,  that's not the case everywhere around the league.......there are a number of teams who go 2-3 deep at WR who can be relied on to physically challenge an opponents #1 CB.    

Agree and very well said. 

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

We don’t have to worry about signing Beasley and Sanders, but they must be replaced, possibly after this season.  
Preferably replaced with players that are better or just as good.  
 

 

Would like to see extensions for both of them

[3rdand12]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Would like to see extensions for both of them

Lets revisit this at the end of a long Season John
But for now ? I remains very positive about all our Receivers even Cole   lol

C'mon Gabe Davis. do what you do tonight.
 

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is a point on the defense and it does just give me pause on what they are planning with Edmunds. I still lean towards they will extend him but let's say they do and the let Hughes and Addison walk. That is still: Lotulelei, Milano, Edmunds, Johnson, Hyde, Poyer and White that you are "paying" on your defense. That is a lot. 

 

The cap is very malleable though and so long as the Pegulas are willing to pony up the cash up front the Bills can somewhat kick the can cap wise, especially with TV numbers soaring, crowds back in stadiums and the promise of a major cap bounce back in the next two years. 

 

I agree they need to invest in some more youth on offense though. Another playmaker on that side of the ball should be a priority next April, even if Dawson Knox continues his emergence at tight end.

Would love a speed WR and an IOL on Day 1/2!