Urban Meyer still scoring on Saturdays

[BarleyNY]

38 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

You are conflating at least two issues here: 

Infidelity- I personally find it abhorrent. But does it matter professionally in an NFL setting? I do not think so, unless it is effecting your results and roster management. Which to your point. It did not effect either for Bill Cowher. 

Separate Travel- BB has been known to start watching tape on the flight home from games. Getting a separate charter to start doing that in peace and quiet is drastically different than what is going on with Urban Meyer. 

Everything for you is happening in these separate buckets. BB might fly separately. Bruce Arian might enjoy the consumption of alcohol in his spare time. BIll Cowher cheated on his wife. The issue here is Urban Meyer abandoned his team, to cheat on his wife and drink beer, while they were on a 4 game skid. He was all 3 of those specific incidents rolled into one.

If any other coach did that in year one of their NFL HC career, it would be a major story of not being ready for the pro game.  If BB did that at the start of the 2021 regular season after a 0-4 start, every news outlet in the United States would be running the story, "did BB check out?", "Bill Belichicks heart no longer in football", or "Is this Bill Belichicks last year?". 

You seem to be agreeing with me.  My point was always that the circumstances are the defining factor here, not that a woman was grinding on a HC.  

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

You seem to be agreeing with me.  My point was always that the circumstances are the defining factor here, not that a woman was grinding on a HC.  

 

But if we agree, how can I argue with you? 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

But if we agree, how can I argue with you? 

 

Copyright that phrase right now.  I mean right now!

[TheFunPolice]

I think the players could have looked past it if they respected Meyer to begin with and if he owned it. From the videos, it appears that Urban and this young lady were both fine getting up close and personal. That's between them and Meyer's wife to figure that part out. It's not like many of the players haven't had women come up to them in a very open way in a bar/club. There's also been plenty of well-known drama involving players and their wives/girlfriends. 

 

But an NFL head coach is supposed to be the guy who lives at the facility, whose greatest joy in life is a lost hour of sleep watching film. Players are going to respect a coach who is doing the work that he is telling them to do, plus some. 

 

I think Meyer's biggest problems with the players is that he preached that "nobody will work harder than us" then:

 

#1: He abandoned them on their flight home after a heartbreaking loss

#2: He was out partying without a care in the world while they were flying back, going through security, getting back to the facility, getting home late, etc. 

#3: He brought up Trevor Lawrence's name in his "apology." A totally slimy thing to do. 

#4: He cancelled a team meeting to avoid facing the players. 

 

In short, he looks like a clown and a phony. He's a "family man" who works harder than anyone else, yet everything he does undermines his own persona. Guys can see right through that, and nobody respect that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

At the beginning of the season I thought One & Done.  Now I think he's headed to Lou Holtz & Bobby Petrino land.  

 

If we can survive Wrecks, Jacksonville can survive Suburban.  

Edited October 5, 2021 by Albany,n.y.

[QCity]

[nucci]

43 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

At the beginning of the season I thought One & Done.  Now I think he's headed to Lou Holtz & Bobby Petrino land.  

 

If we can survive Wrecks, Jacksonville can survive Suburban.  

may not last to the weekend

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

In short, he looks like a clown and a phony. He's a "family man" who works harder than anyone else, yet everything he does undermines his own persona. Guys can see right through that, and nobody respect that. 

Yup.  He's hoping for USC, but is perfect for politics. 🤨

[mannc]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

I think the players could have looked past it if they respected Meyer to begin with and if he owned it. From the videos, it appears that Urban and this young lady were both fine getting up close and personal. That's between them and Meyer's wife to figure that part out. It's not like many of the players haven't had women come up to them in a very open way in a bar/club. There's also been plenty of well-known drama involving players and their wives/girlfriends. 

 

But an NFL head coach is supposed to be the guy who lives at the facility, whose greatest joy in life is a lost hour of sleep watching film. Players are going to respect a coach who is doing the work that he is telling them to do, plus some. 

 

I think Meyer's biggest problems with the players is that he preached that "nobody will work harder than us" then:

 

#1: He abandoned them on their flight home after a heartbreaking loss

#2: He was out partying without a care in the world while they were flying back, going through security, getting back to the facility, getting home late, etc. 

#3: He brought up Trevor Lawrence's name in his "apology." A totally slimy thing to do. 

#4: He cancelled a team meeting to avoid facing the players. 

 

In short, he looks like a clown and a phony. He's a "family man" who works harder than anyone else, yet everything he does undermines his own persona. Guys can see right through that, and nobody respect that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good summary.  Urban has become a laughing stock, the butt of jokes and memes.  He simply cannot survive in an NFL locker room.  He won't make it to the weekend.

[eball]

Meyer flaming out in the NFL was one of the easiest predictions in recent memory...although even I didn't think he was stupid and arrogant enough to feel up a woman in his own bar after not catching the plane trip back from a loss with his team.

 

This guy is the ultimate douchebag.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Yup.  He's hoping for USC, but is perfect for politics. 🤨

 

 

Honestly - I think this issue kills any shot at USC for him. 
 

It is a really bad look for anyone - let alone what would become a college coach to be doing that with a young girl.  It would open up questions of his influence on other college aged girls and I do not see a college anywhere that takes him until this settles down.

 

I also think based upon his decisions to bring in a slime ball athletic trainer and trying to slip that in and the way he handled the team so far - mixed with this and his other fines - I think the owner should suspend and then fire WITH CAUSE Urban and get out of paying him any more money.

 

You have a potential franchise QB there - don’t ruin him with this slime ball HC.

[BADOLBILZ]

44 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

Honestly - I think this issue kills any shot at USC for him. 
 

It is a really bad look for anyone - let alone what would become a college coach to be doing that with a young girl.  It would open up questions of his influence on other college aged girls and I do not see a college anywhere that takes him until this settles down.

 

I also think based upon his decisions to bring in a slime ball athletic trainer and trying to slip that in and the way he handled the team so far - mixed with this and his other fines - I think the owner should suspend and then fire WITH CAUSE Urban and get out of paying him any more money.

 

You have a potential franchise QB there - don’t ruin him with this slime ball HC.

 

 

Eh......SoCal is a little different.    

 

Charlie Weis on the scrutiny in the midwest versus the coverage of then 60 year old Pete Carroll at USC:

 

"Let me ask you this: You guys know about things that go on in different places. Was I living with a grad student in Malibu, or was I living with my wife in my house? You could bet that if I were living with a grad student here in South Bend, it would be national news," he said. "[Carroll] doing it in Malibu and it's not national news. What's the difference? I don't understand. Why is it okay for one guy to do things like that, but for me, I'm scrutinized when I swear. I'm sorry for swearing; absolve my sins."

[TBBills]

On 10/3/2021 at 7:14 AM, ALF said:

 

https://brobible.com/sports/article/urban-meyers-wife-shelley-video/

"I was just scratching an itch she couldn't reach..."

[BADOLBILZ]

On 10/2/2021 at 9:15 PM, YoloinOhio said:

He definitely has a type. I can see why he drafted Trevor. 
 

 

 

 

TSW's official Urban Liar apologist @YoloinOhio is now cheap shotting Honest Urb.

 

I'd say the last of the suckers has been licked to the stick.

 

[TBBills]

Omg the alternate angle makes it just perfect... Finger deep!

 

 

[nedboy7]

Something so soothing about seeing this pos getting destroyed.  It’s like things make sense for a minute. 
 

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by nedboy7

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Eh......SoCal is a little different.    

 

Charlie Weis on the scrutiny in the midwest versus the coverage of then 60 year old Pete Carroll at USC:

 

"Let me ask you this: You guys know about things that go on in different places. Was I living with a grad student in Malibu, or was I living with my wife in my house? You could bet that if I were living with a grad student here in South Bend, it would be national news," he said. "[Carroll] doing it in Malibu and it's not national news. What's the difference? I don't understand. Why is it okay for one guy to do things like that, but for me, I'm scrutinized when I swear. I'm sorry for swearing; absolve my sins."

 

I definitely think this is true 10+ years ago when they were a winning program, but I am not sure it rings true with the societal changes and the string of bad coaches that have rolled through USC since Carrol snuck out the back door before the NCAA hit them.

 

I think at this point they are looking for a clean guy that can win and not a guy that has been run out of 3 college programs for potential violations and then “fired” from the NFL for this conduct.  
 

I could be wrong - I know USC wants to win badly as that entire conference has been run out of college football in recent years, but I just can’t see him as even a potential option with how he has handled his recent departures and then this issue.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

I’m not going down the rabbit hole as to the morality, but stupidity, that’s fair game.

 

how dumb can you be to not fly home with you’re team that looks pathetic on the field.  Did he not hear of a camera phone?  he gets what he deserves.  I’m certainly no celebrity, but even one

time I was working with my Baltimore/DC rep.  We

scored an early morning meeting the next morning while already there either chief of infectious disease at one of the main hospitals.  we had to get two hotel rooms.  I emphatically told the attendant I did not want adjoining rooms. My rep knows my integrity, but just the look of it as she is attractive.  She says to me don’t worry about it.  The numbskull gave us adjoining rooms.  I had to go back down raise cane and finally got a smoking room.  You just can’t give that look.  I’m her boss even though she told me not to worry about it.

 

this guy is an idiot.  He’ll end up back in college.

Edited October 5, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[SectionC3]

Like I said earlier, and well before the release of video #2, Urban Meyer is a phony and a scumbag.  He’s on his way out in Jax.  This will end in either a resignation or a “resignation” in which the phony explains his need to step away to focus on the health of his family, the Bible, and whatever else he feels like besmirching with yet another one of his lies. 

Edited October 6, 2021 by SectionC3

[QCity]

Coaching your team to a heartbreaking loss to drop to 0-4, and then flying them home alone while you stay back and party is messed up. Even Rex Ryan didn't pull crap like that.

 

 

[Ayjent]

3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I definitely think this is true 10+ years ago when they were a winning program, but I am not sure it rings true with the societal changes and the string of bad coaches that have rolled through USC since Carrol snuck out the back door before the NCAA hit them.

 

I think at this point they are looking for a clean guy that can win and not a guy that has been run out of 3 college programs for potential violations and then “fired” from the NFL for this conduct.  
 

I could be wrong - I know USC wants to win badly as that entire conference has been run out of college football in recent years, but I just can’t see him as even a potential option with how he has handled his recent departures and then this issue.

 

 

You would like to think it would impact his chances, and maybe it will with some programs, but Urban Meyer wins national championships and honestly that means some decent program desperate to regain glory will take him.  It's really that simple.  This stuff will blow over after a little time, and he will be a hot commodity before you know it.  Whether he has the "heart" to get back into it is a different story. 

[The Dean]

3 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

You would like to think it would impact his chances, and maybe it will with some programs, but Urban Meyer wins national championships and honestly that means some decent program desperate to regain glory will take him.  It's really that simple.  This stuff will blow over after a little time, and he will be a hot commodity before you know it.  Whether he has the "heart" to get back into it is a different story. 

 

 

Agree for the most part. But it would be very hard for a team, any team, to hire him at this time, IMO. Need some temporal distance from this crap

[TBBills]

5 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Agree for the most part. But it would be very hard for a team, any team, to hire him at this time, IMO. Need some temporal distance from this crap

Not hard... but cheap. Distance lasts until the college season is over.

[eball]

It’s time for the football world, college and pro, to say “no more” to Urban Meyer.  Go away, you prick.

[Bill from NYC]

It is hard for me to understand how Meyer was able to win as much as he did. One poster in this thread claimed that Meyer works harder than anyone. This is NOT true. Nick Saban works 16 hour days. He once won a title on a Monday Night and demanded that his staff be at work on Thursday morning, this after flying back from California.

Btw, Meyer holds a grudge against Saban because he once called him and asked for a job and Saban refused him. Saban of course talked about how mistaken he was. Now I have at least an inkling as to why he said no. 

Also.....FWIW, I have just a bit of experience with people like this. Was alcohol a contributing factor? No doubt. That said, he seemed to be grabbing that young girl's ass while she was dancing. My guess is that sex, not alcohol, was his primary motivating factor. The look on his face was a clear giveaway to me. So once again, my educated guess is that he was driven to this by sex urges more than alcohol ,which was certainly partially responsible. Male menopause?

The above is not an all knowing proclamation, consider it a very strong hunch.

 

One more comment about alchol: It is a very strange chemical in that it causes so many of us to react in so many ways. Examples:

 

If you take a given person who is a drinker and look at the craziest, most out of character thing he or she ever did, was alcohol involved? My guess is yes, in almost all cases.

Now, take a person who almost never drinks and look at the most out of character thing he or he ever did, was alcohol involved? My guess is yes, in a huge majority of cases. 

 

Still my opinion remains that Meyer's sexual urges were just so strong that he couldn't control himself and was willing to risk hurting and embarrassing his wife and kids, and that these desires were of course fueled by alcohol. Remember, they were not sneaking off to a motel. Theyn were in public and everyone there had a camera on their phone.

 

I also think that he will land on his feet. Sarkisian pulled a few stunts in his day and now makes 7 or 8 million dollars per year at Texas. Maybe Meyer will be Saban's next reclamation project lol, although I do doubt it. Saban freely admits that he is afraid of his wife and I am sure that Mrs. Saban would be too thrilled.

 

Sorry for the rant, jmo.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[QCity]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

It is hard for me to understand how Meyer was able to win as much as he did.

 

 

College ball is less about coaching and more about recruiting.

[mannc]

Just now, QCity said:

 

College ball is less about coaching and more about recruiting.

As the Jacksonville Jaguars are now discovering, to their dismay…

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, Ayjent said:

You would like to think it would impact his chances, and maybe it will with some programs, but Urban Meyer wins national championships and honestly that means some decent program desperate to regain glory will take him.  It's really that simple.  This stuff will blow over after a little time, and he will be a hot commodity before you know it.  Whether he has the "heart" to get back into it is a different story. 

 

He won a national championship 7 years ago.  He's not going to win another, unless Saban were to retire and Meyer walked onto Bama.

 

 

[Gugny]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He won a national championship 7 years ago.  He's not going to win another, unless Saban were to retire and Meyer walked onto Bama.

 

 

 

I don't think winning is his goal anymore.  His goal is to get as much guaranteed money, then find a way to do little-to-nothing to earn it.  He is a supreme douche.

[TheFunPolice]

I think the reason why many college coaches fail in the NFL is that they actually aren't great coaches. Guys like Meyer probably aren't terrible, but IMO they are middle of the road coaches who can recruit the best players at the big name programs and therefore win almost every game due to having a huge talent advantage. 

 

That obviously doesn't work in the NFL, thus Meyer's comment that "every week is Alabama."

 

NFL ball is about schemes, strategy, and execution of a game plan. You'll get a few games a year where if you have a Super Bowl contender team you have an easy week, but most teams are about even talent-wise. 

 

Chip Kelly actually had a winning record in 3 years in Philly, so I would say that proves he's a pretty good football coach. I think Nick Saban being right around .500 in Miami with guys like Cleo Lemon and Joey Harrington at QB proves he is truly a good football coach. 

 

Urban Meyer seems like a guy who needs that distinct talent advantage, otherwise he is exposed and walks away when things get tough. 

Edited October 6, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't think winning is his goal anymore.  His goal is to get as much guaranteed money, then find a way to do little-to-nothing to earn it.  He is a supreme douche.

 

Always has been.

 

 

[ALF]

Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan says head coach Urban Meyer must 'regain our trust' after 'inexcusable' video

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/sport/urban-meyer-jacksonville-jaguars-shad-khan-spt-intl/index.html

[Amorgus]

5 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I think the reason why many college coaches fail in the NFL is that they actually aren't great coaches. Guys like Meyer probably aren't terrible, but IMO they are middle of the road coaches who can recruit the best players at the big name programs and therefore win almost every game due to having a huge talent advantage. 

 

That obviously doesn't work in the NFL, thus Meyer's comment that "every week is Alabama."

 

NFL ball is about schemes, strategy, and execution of a game plan. You'll get a few games a year where if you have a Super Bowl contender team you have an easy week, but most teams are about even talent-wise. 

 

Chip Kelly actually had a winning record in 3 years in Philly, so I would say that proves he's a pretty good football coach. I think Nick Saban being right around .500 in Miami with guys like Cleo Lemon and Joey Harrington at QB proves he is truly a good football coach. 

 

Urban Meyer seems like a guy who needs that distinct talent advantage, otherwise he is exposed and walks away when things get tough. 

Where were you when Urban was doing all this at the bar? It's literally your job to stop him! 🤣

[LeGOATski]

5 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I think the reason why many college coaches fail in the NFL is that they actually aren't great coaches. Guys like Meyer probably aren't terrible, but IMO they are middle of the road coaches who can recruit the best players at the big name programs and therefore win almost every game due to having a huge talent advantage. 

 

That obviously doesn't work in the NFL, thus Meyer's comment that "every week is Alabama."

 

NFL ball is about schemes, strategy, and execution of a game plan. You'll get a few games a year where if you have a Super Bowl contender team you have an easy week, but most teams are about even talent-wise. 

 

Chip Kelly actually had a winning record in 3 years in Philly, so I would say that proves he's a pretty good football coach. I think Nick Saban being right around .500 in Miami with guys like Cleo Lemon and Joey Harrington at QB proves he is truly a good football coach. 

 

Urban Meyer seems like a guy who needs that distinct talent advantage, otherwise he is exposed and walks away when things get tough. 

Mostly agree here. College and the NFL are totally different animals. 

 

Chip Kelly sucked, though. He had a talented Eagles team when he got there and he totally ruined it. It was kind of Bill O'Brien-esque. He hasn't done anything with UCLA.

[uninja]

6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Chip Kelly sucked, though. He had a talented Eagles team when he got there and he totally ruined it. It was kind of Bill O'Brien-esque. He hasn't done anything with UCLA.

 

Yeah he royally destroyed that Eagles team, in what universe do you trade LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso and trade FOR Sam Bradford??! 

[Ayjent]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He won a national championship 7 years ago.  He's not going to win another, unless Saban were to retire and Meyer walked onto Bama.

 

 

How many times was he in the BCS championship, Conference Title Game and Top 10 in his entire career?  He's a successful college program coach - and he could be successful wherever he goes - he's a great recruiter.  He may not win another but he could certainly be in the conversation every year.

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't think winning is his goal anymore.  His goal is to get as much guaranteed tang as he can before he can’t get it up anymore

Fixed that for ya 🤜

[Augie]

Not Urban Meyer related, but the thread title makes me need to share this. 

 

When we moved to Sarasota, FL in 1993 I didn’t yet have a dish to catch games. There was a new sports bar by day/meat market by night about a 5 minute walk from the house named Gecko’s (the original one in The Landings now closed, for the locals).  Our oldest son was was about 6-7 years old at the time and he insisted on seeing the Bills games with me. I know, a kid at a bar, even a sports bar, may not win me any parenting awards. HEY! I’m raising Bills fans, doing the best I can! 

 

They have a drawing every quarter, and I’m thinking it must be rigged because my cute son wins more than a statistician would expect. Unfortunately, the prizes he was collecting were…..a tad bit inappropriate. Not ideal to be giving a 7 year old Budweiser cozies or Jack Daniels hats. I used to hand them out to people in the bar who were…..NOT 7 years old. I had to draw the line when he won a tee-shirt with a Gecko on front (think of the little Geico guy) kicking a ball thru the upright and a caption that read “Gecko’s - the easiest place to score!” THAT led to a whole bunch of questions I had no desire to get into with a 7 year old during a Bills game!

 

Sorry, but every time I saw the thread title I thought of that. I hope this relieves me of that obsession! 

[YoloinOhio]