Zach Moss needs to be the lead back

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I know Devin has improved from last year, but watching moss and DS on the field, Moss just brings so much more to the table. He hits the hole harder, is a short yardage bruiser, is very good out of the backfield catching the ball, and is a very good blocker.

 

Beyond that, if the Bills go to that read option/RPO stretch action they ran a lot of during the WFT game, Moss is a much more instinctive and decisive runner. Devin was lost out there on those runs, just getting swallowed up looking for a crease. 
 

The stats from last game bear this out, with Moss having 13/60 (plus 30 rec yards), and Singletary with 11/26. 
 

I think we need both guys, but I would like to see the split be more like 80/20, than 50/50.

[The Jokeman]

12 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I know Devin has improved from last year, but watching moss and DS on the field, Moss just brings so much more to the table. He hits the hole harder, is a short yardage bruiser, is very good out of the backfield catching the ball, and is a very good blocker.

 

Beyond that, if the Bills go to that read option/RPO stretch action they ran a lot of during the WFT game, Moss is a much more instinctive and decisive runner. Devin was lost out there on those runs, just getting swallowed up looking for a crease. 
 

The stats from last game bear this out, with Moss having 13/60 (plus 30 rec yards), and Singletary with 11/26. 
 

I think we need both guys, but I would like to see the split be more like 80/20, than 50/50.

I could see 70/30 or 60/40. The thing is the hits these guys take at times are big and splitting carries keeps them fresh.

Edited September 28, 2021 by The Jokeman

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I know Devin has improved from last year, but watching moss and DS on the field, Moss just brings so much more to the table. He hits the hole harder, is a short yardage bruiser, is very good out of the backfield catching the ball, and is a very good blocker.

 

Beyond that, if the Bills go to that read option/RPO stretch action they ran a lot of during the WFT game, Moss is a much more instinctive and decisive runner. Devin was lost out there on those runs, just getting swallowed up looking for a crease. 
 

The stats from last game bear this out, with Moss having 13/60 (plus 30 rec yards), and Singletary with 11/26. 
 

I think we need both guys, but I would like to see the split be more like 80/20, than 50/50.

 

In this past game it did feel like Moss was more decisive and was able to get more yards after contact than Devin.

 

He has a more bruising style that I think is a bit more effective when our backs hit that second level of a defense. Devin is a bit more of a finesse RB that can make folks miss if he is given space. It is up to Dabs on how to best align what they bring and use them effectively.

 

 

 

 

[berg1029]

I love me some devin singletary, but he scares me.  Every time he touches the ball I feel like I'm waiting for him to fumble or drop the pass.  I'd prefer Moss just for ball security reasons alone. 

[Eastport bills]

Moss, if he can stay healthy, will be the guy that gets the tough yards both in short yardage and milking the clock if we have leads in the 4th qtr. He runs harder than Motor and is equally effective with screens and swing passes. He will be impactful and compliment our great passing attack. 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Off the top of my head, the only guys who get 80% of their team's carries (when healthy) right now are Henry, McCaffrey and Mixon.  Two of them are the biggest focal point of their team's offense and the other's backup is *checking notes* Samaje Perine.  If you want to include pass catching opportunities I'm sure Kamara is out there 80% of the time.

 

Moss doesn't need to be in this company when Singletary is off to a fast start and showing burst.    60/40 I could buy.  I also think it was probably a mistake to make Moss a healthy scratch against Pittsburgh but Motor ran well in that game and we won't ever know McD's reason anyway.

[34-78-83]

Round and Round we go! 🤪

 

Both guys have specific skill sets that work for this team differently on a game by game basis. It's a committee approach. The team seems fully content with that. Likely, barring injury or the fumble doghouse, we'll see each of them leading different games in touches.

[BillsFanForever19]

10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I know Devin has improved from last year

 

Has he? Outside of the one TD run which was his designed run coinciding with a GIANT hole - I've been continually unimpressed.

 

His rookie season he was shifty as all get out. Ever since then, he hasn't been. And he can't break tackles and doesn't push forward after contact. All I've been seeing is him getting hit and going down if there's anyone around him.

 

Zack Moss has been head and shoulders the better RB these past two games. 

[Bangarang]

Given our options, I’m okay with a RB by committee approach. Give the bulk of the touches to whoever is the most effective each week.

[whorlnut]

Moss was quickly becoming the guy last year but dealt with some nagging injuries that derailed him. It wasn’t until his season ending injury in the playoffs that Singletary got some major run. What happened next?  We were rewarded with a key drop on screen pass in the afc title game that was the beginning of the end of our season. I’ve seen enough of Singletary and Moss to know Moss is the best rb we have on this roster. 

[BillsShredder83]

Devin on draws versus standard hand off was night amd day. Looked explosive on handoffs, and like he was running in sand off the draw. Have Moss take the draw or stop calling it 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

We're basing this on a sample size of 1 game? 

 

Singletary was pretty good vs Pitt and MIA. I thought a lot of his struggles vs WFT were the O-line failing to block. 

 

Both guys have a fumbling problem - although we haven't lost any yet (knock on wood).

 

Neither guy has shown enough to be a featured back. Continue splitting evenly and maybe ride a hot hand on an individual game basis. 

[DCofNC]

Moss misses a lot of opportunities to get more yards, he’s very frustrating to watch, I think the reason he got benched early this year, is his lack of vision.  Motor is better in regards of seeing the openings and going for them.   The thing we need is a hybrid of the 2 of them, give me Motor’s moves and vision, and Moss’ size and hard nose running. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Has he? Outside of the one TD run which was his designed run coinciding with a GIANT hole - I've been continually unimpressed.

 

His rookie season he was shifty as all get out. Ever since then, he hasn't been. And he can't break tackles and doesn't push forward after contact. All I've been seeing is him getting hit and going down if there's anyone around him.

 

Zack Moss has been head and shoulders the better RB these past two games. 

 

The only drive where buffalo scored in the 2nd half of the Pitt game featured a couple nice gains by Singletary.

 

I'd just roll with the hot hand on that particular day.

[artmalibu]

Moss got more carries against the WFT so he was the lead back imo

[Maynard]

Yup, Moss should be the starter going forward. He’s the better back and need to get him in a groove. 

[Simon]

The problem with that is if you try to ride him, you're going to lose him.

He's one of those guys that runs so galdanged hard that it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt.

Protect him from himself by making him part of a tandem and you'll have a great back you can rely on all year; try to turn him into a lead back and you're going to be watching the Bills wasting downs with Matt Breida behind an OLine that can't make space for him.

[TBBills]

As long as Josh is dealing ng it don't matter who is back there people won't like them.

[Rc2catch]

I don’t think Breida is  out just yet either. I’d have to think all 3 are going to play some meaningful snaps this year. I think most can agree it’s gonna be game plan specific and the hot hand approach mostly. And we also know there’s games they just are not gonna run much too. 

[Niagara Dude]

32 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I know Devin has improved from last year, but watching moss and DS on the field, Moss just brings so much more to the table. He hits the hole harder, is a short yardage bruiser, is very good out of the backfield catching the ball, and is a very good blocker.

 

Beyond that, if the Bills go to that read option/RPO stretch action they ran a lot of during the WFT game, Moss is a much more instinctive and decisive runner. Devin was lost out there on those runs, just getting swallowed up looking for a crease. 
 

The stats from last game bear this out, with Moss having 13/60 (plus 30 rec yards), and Singletary with 11/26. 
 

I think we need both guys, but I would like to see the split be more like 80/20, than 50/50.

Sorry but Devin is a backup or even third string RB,  Moss should be the starter and should some great receiving skills that Devin does not have

[Solomon Grundy]

32 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Moss, if he can stay healthy, will be the guy that gets the tough yards both in short yardage and milking the clock if we have leads in the 4th qtr. He runs harder than Motor and is equally effective with screens and swing passes. He will be impactful and compliment our great passing attack. 

He is the X factor against the Chiefs, Titans, etc. Keeps defenses honest

[Eastport bills]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He is the X factor against the Chiefs, Titans, etc. Keeps defenses honest

They made a mistake not having him against Pittsburgh. Since his return, the running game and short passes to the backs has really complimented Josh's midrange and vertical passing game. Zach runs hard and he smells the  goal line.  After that fumble against Miami he's been a load.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Sorry but Devin is a backup or even third string RB,  Moss should be the starter and should some great receiving skills that Devin does not have

 

He was averaging 6+ yards per carry the last 2 games. The Miami game had some struggles but it's not as if he had plays blocked up well in that game.

[balln]

5 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

He was averaging 6+ yards per carry the last 2 games. The Miami game had some struggles but it's not as if he had plays blocked up well in that game.

garbage time run against PIT late.

 

without the long td run. his avg was like 2.2 yds per carry

[BobbyC81]

58 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

In this past game it did feel like Moss was more decisive and was able to get more yards after contact than Devin.

 

He has a more bruising style that I think is a bit more effective when our backs hit that second level of a defense. Devin is a bit more of a finesse RB that can make folks miss if he is given space. It is up to Dabs on how to best align what they bring and use them effectively.

 

 

 

 

He was also fairly elusive with some nice moves.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Moss reminds me a lot of Marahawn. The style of movement and a little bit of the skill set.

Edited September 28, 2021 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[MrSarcasm]

[Simon]

9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Mods reminds me a lot of Marahawn

Thank you........ I think? - )

[John from Riverside]

I’ve been on that train for a while not the motor doesn’t have a place on the team but I would much rather see moss getting the carries

 

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, berg1029 said:

I love me some devin singletary, but he scares me.  Every time he touches the ball I feel like I'm waiting for him to fumble or drop the pass.  I'd prefer Moss just for ball security reasons alone. 

I really don’t- the guy is a 2 or a 3 on other teams. Just an average back. Moss should be the 1, and really he is a 2 also.

[DallasMac]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

The problem with that is if you try to ride him, you're going to lose him.

He's one of those guys that runs so galdanged hard that it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt.

Protect him from himself by making him part of a tandem and you'll have a great back you can rely on all year; try to turn him into a lead back and you're going to be watching the Bills wasting downs with Matt Breida behind an OLine that can't make space for him.

Yeah I can agree with this.  Unfortunately Moss has an injury history going back to Utah and I think a big part of it is his play style.  If he can stay healthy I think we will see him get the bulk of carries.  

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, berg1029 said:

I love me some devin singletary, but he scares me.  Every time he touches the ball I feel like I'm waiting for him to fumble or drop the pass.  I'd prefer Moss just for ball security reasons alone. 

He fumbled in the Miami game... 🙄

[LeGOATski]

39 minutes ago, Simon said:

Thank you........ I think? - )

Beast Mod

Just now, Fan boy '92 said:

Well, let's take a look. 2021 yards per carry averages:

Zack Moss-4.09

League average-4.4

Devon Singletary-5.14

Bold pronouncement by the op.

 

 

 

 

Most fans operate from game to game and can barely remember the week prior. I blame it on the hard tailgating.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Fan boy '92 said:

Well, let's take a look. 2021 yards per carry averages:

Zack Moss-4.09

League average-4.4

Devon Singletary-5.14

Bold pronouncement by the op.

 

 

 

 

Now get out of the box score and actually watch the games

 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

Sorry but Devin is a backup or even third string RB,  Moss should be the starter and should some great receiving skills that Devin does not have

 

Who “starts” doesn’t matter as much as how many snaps they get and who is playing in crunch time. They each have different strengths and weaknesses, but I like them as a tandem for now. You don’t have to draft a big name early, then pay them a fortune to extend. Ask the Cowboys. Good backs are available every year in rounds 3-5. Use them up, then get a new one. 

[NewEra]

Go with the hot hand.  Could change on a whim 

[LeGOATski]

This reminds me of Edmunds vs Milano. With some fans, it has to be either-or. They just can't accept that guys have different roles and different strengths.

 

Motor and Moss is a play-the-hot hand situation. We can go back and forth week by week proclaiming one or the other as the starter. Motor looked better in preseason and entered the season as the starter with Moss a healthy scratch. It only took one week to change...

 

Based on his presser, McDermott said Moss is more motivated now. Motor was already motivated based on the offseason stories about his training. You think McDermott wanted Moss to take inspiration from Motor? 

 

[Fan boy '92]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Now get out of the box score and actually watch the games

 

You sound familiar. Were you head of Rex Ryan's analytics department?

[John from Riverside]

14 minutes ago, Fan boy '92 said:

You sound familiar. Were you head of Rex Ryan's analytics department?

That’s cute how about just use a little bit of common sense and take one long run out of motors stats and see what they look like give me Mosses Consistent production pass protection and receiving ability any day

[Fan boy '92]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

That’s cute how about just use a little bit of common sense and take one long run out of motors stats and see what they look like give me Mosses Consistent production pass protection and receiving ability any day

I wish we had the luxury of discounting one of Moss' breakout runs.