Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Whats the finable offense - Hitting the glass man too hard? Did he lead with his head? - Nope Was contact to the head or neck of Tua? - Nope Was contact above the knees? - Yes Did he land with all his weight on the QB? - Nope Whats the finable offense As much as he tried to avoid it, I thought he landed with all of his weight on Tua. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I think the league should pay him to conduct tutorials on how to properly put a clean yet impactful hit on a QB. Textbook hit and a thing of beauty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, Gugny said: As much as he tried to avoid it, I thought he landed with all of his weight on Tua. He didnt he rolled off before making contact with the ground. He will not get a fine, that is the best clean hit demonstration on a QB. Will be showed HOW to tackle the QB with a super small aim box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I am just wondering why you think it was a dirty hit..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 The question should be how much will Flores send Epenesa as a thank you for knocking Tua out of the game & strengthening the case to trade for Watson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, thebug said: He should be banned for life! Should I make that one of the choices? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, Gugny said: Should I make that one of the choices? Why not, goes along with the main theme of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 you should be fined for posting this. UGH! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Gugny said: As much as he tried to avoid it, I thought he landed with all of his weight on Tua. I noticed that too. I wouldn't have thrown a flag, but it wouldn't have surprised me if someone did. It also wouldn't surprise me if the exact same play with a certain older veteran QB who-shall-not-be-named drew a flag. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, KGun12TD said: you should be fined for posting this. UGH! How much should you be fined for replying to it? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amorgus Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: It was a clean hit; Matt Millen said so. And you can't argue with a physicist. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, Gugny said: How much should you be fined for replying to it? More. They always flag the guy who retaliates, not the one who initiates. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Gugny said: Fine should be coming down soon for the dirty hit that knocked Tua out. How much do you think it will be? Zero point zero zero $$$. IMHO it was a textbook clean hit. Below head, above knees and not late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: misleading title. To whom?? And how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 It’s a fair question I think. The way the league is trying to protect the QB, anytime one gets hurt it’s a big story. But if AJ gets fined I’ll be livid. It was 100% a clean hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Gugny said: Fine should be coming down soon for the dirty hit that knocked Tua out. How much do you think it will be? where is the WTF emoticon dirty hit? First I heard of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Why do I waste my time on these threads🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Gugny said: Fine should be coming down soon for the dirty hit that knocked Tua out. How much do you think it will be? LAMP is bright. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I’m assuming my this post is a joke? That was a completely clean hit. He even caught himself at the end so he wouldn’t drive him into the ground. Textbook legal hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gugny said: As much as he tried to avoid it, I thought he landed with all of his weight on Tua. OK. I do not normally see things the same way but this time Gugny has a point. When AJ lands on Tua his arms and knees are off the ground, effectively full body weight chest to chest. What is different is that AJ is "Tee-d off" as his lower body swung to the side which isn't the normal position that draws the flag. His arms were wrapped behind but he pulls them out before impact with the ground. Knees are off the ground too but it was not the classic "body surfing" position that usually draws the flag. I know the Bills coaches were teaching a "gator roll" after the initial hit so the defender's body would land beside the QB's. AJ did not do that move. I hate to say it, but Gugny has a point. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight. Edited September 20, 2021 by JESSEFEFFER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 40 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: OK. I do not normally see things the same way but this time Gugny has a point. We normally disagree?? This is the first I'm hearing this!! 24 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: let me roll my eyes before I answer your little questions...🙄 I found it misleading. how? because there was no penalty from the hit as it was a clean hit so why would you even suggest a fine. but I know, you know football and all the rules and so you felt the need to express how you thought his hit on little tua was dirty and would create a thread to see how many agree with you. looks as though pretty much the majority don't agree with you. but we know, you like to pull the chains, rattle the cage, you know ***** with people. the board comedian Flattery will get you ... everywhere! I'll PM you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said: Fan of Tua? I could see if you liked him in college or something but as soon as he’s drafted by the Fish that fandom should go the way of the passenger pigeon. I like the kid. Do you hate every player on every team? I also like Mac Jones but I want them to lose to the Bills and I will root against them in every circumstance that would help the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Gugny said: Fine should be coming down soon for the dirty hit that knocked Tua out. How much do you think it will be? Now now Gug, when you sober up and come down from the edibles you will note something important, that important thing is that your head is no longer…, that and you will be able to see that it was not a dirty hit, but of course your gonna die on the sword on this one, aren’t ya, 😁 nuthin but luv, Don, Go Bills!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Nice! Notice @Gugny didn't cast a vote, but made it public. I am tempted to change my vote to: "Fine and Suspension." Just because I can! 😆 It's his way of making mental notes of the troublemakers... 😆 Then why did he not vote to keep himself on naughty list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said: It was 100% clean, and in watching the replay he didn’t even put his weight on him when they fell. Not sure if this thread is supposed to be funny, but I’m not laughing. Fan of Tua? I could see if you liked him in college or something but as soon as he’s drafted by the Fish that fandom should go the way of the passenger pigeon. Why? You can be a fan of a player on a rival. Most will only wish bad games on them when it is in bills best interests if no bearing then no harm cheering them doing well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 6 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said: $1,000,000! A Million ! Sounds awesome ! The fact he came clean at full speed and Tua did not see him is not Espy's fault. I mean goodness gracious folks, he could easily have killed the man right there. Great football play and upstanding humanitarian act in saving Tuas T's life. btw glad nothing is broken 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 About the same amount for Levi Wallace’s dirty “taunting” penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I’m assuming my this post is a joke? That was a completely clean hit. He even caught himself at the end so he wouldn’t drive him into the ground. Textbook legal hit. Have you met Gugny ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Gugny said: Fine should be coming down soon for the dirty hit that knocked Tua out. How much do you think it will be? Every poll needs "Other " as an option 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Imagine opening your body up and closing your eyes. Then give somebody the size of Epenesa about a 5 yard head start to just drive directly into your chest. That's what happened. It was a very violent, but also very clean. Tua didn't see it and Epenesa had time to get his mass accelerated. If he went higher and it ended up being dirty Tua would no longer have a head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 He will be fined and suspended. I heard that there is a warrant for his arrest in Miami-Dade county for attempted murder. Hopefully his lawyers can get it reduced to attempted manslaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Serious question: Can a player be fined when no foul is called? If not, then no, AJ won't be fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I heard that they are going to fine Edmunds instead, he's a captain on defense so they just gave him the fine. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Robert James said: Serious question: Can a player be fined when no foul is called? If not, then no, AJ won't be fined. Yes, players can be fined sans flag. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Robert James said: Serious question: Can a player be fined when no foul is called? If not, then no, AJ won't be fined. Yes, they can and sometimes are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 19 hours ago, Gugny said: As much as he tried to avoid it, I thought he landed with all of his weight on Tua. You are right that in 2020, this would have been called a penalty. That was last year. The good news is, the NFL seems to have moved on from this arbitrary call which the refs kept screwing up in order to control the game, and have moved to over-flagging Taunting as this year's annoying "Point of Emphasis". They move it every year to a new, bull#### penalty so teams can't get ahead of the curve, and the refs can still inject themselves into the game, and be a deciding factor when they shouldnt be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 17 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: I like the kid. Do you hate every player on every team? I also like Mac Jones but I want them to lose to the Bills and I will root against them in every circumstance that would help the Bills. No, I don’t hate every player on every team. I hate the players on our division rival teams. If they move to another team I keep that dislike going, if they’re traded to the bills I like them instantly. The only two I kind’ve don’t mind are Brady and Darnold. Darnold never stood a chance and Brady is Brady. Dude’s an anomaly, you kind’ve got to tip your hat that the guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Honestly, the OP looks like a troll job. Epenesa was hitting Tagovailoa as the ball was leaving, not a late hit. It was not too high, not too low. When they landed Epenesa was perpendicular across his chest, but he was on his hands and knees in a crawl position and did not look as if he was putting weight on Tua. It could not have been much cleaner unless Tua still had a hold of the ball going down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 minute ago, BigAl2526 said: Honestly, the OP looks like a troll job. Epenesa was hitting Tagovailoa as the ball was leaving, not a late hit. It was not too high, not too low. When they landed Epenesa was perpendicular across his chest, but he was on his hands and knees in a crawl position and did not look as if he was putting weight on Tua. It could not have been much cleaner unless Tua still had a hold of the ball going down. Hey @Gugny a rookie called you a "troll job"!!! 🤣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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