Beerball Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I don't want to go all @stevestojan about this, but Haack was pretty brutal yesterday. Should Beane bring in some fresh legs to look at? 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I don't think there are any suitable replacements available YET. After the final cuts, take a look. I'm no punting expert; is there anything the ST coach,Farwell,could be doing with scheme,etc. that affects Haack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 He was awesome the week before. I guess give him the chance in the regular season to show this he isn't the guy. No need to panic now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Haack looked great in Detroit. His first punt yesterday had a lot of pressure on him (I remember the announcer talked about it almost being blocked). His second was at the 1 yard line in the end zone. He took a "one step" kick to avoid a block and did it fairly well. I guess fans need to panic about something but he is an established veteran punter. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Georgie said: I don't think there are any suitable replacements available YET. After the final cuts, take a look. I'm no punting expert; is there anything the ST coach,Farwell,could be doing with scheme,etc. that affects Haack? In a word....no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I wonder if Bass can handle a snap and punt. Admittedly, a Sunday afternoon musing. So far, not a "Haaker." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I don’t see any harm in bringing in healthy competition, even if it is an illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 If you want to pay $2.25M to not have him on our roster this year, year we can replace him. The more reasonable path would be to actually let him play a game or two after giving him a 3 year contract. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/matt-haack-22270/ 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, Beerball said: I don't want to go all @stevestojan about this, but Haack was pretty brutal yesterday. Should Beane bring in some fresh legs to look at? How has he looked in practice? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC BIlls Fan Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I don't want Bass to have to get used to another holder! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Beerball said: I don't want to go all @stevestojan about this, but Haack was pretty brutal yesterday. Should Beane bring in some fresh legs to look at? Thank you, Suds. Easily our Worst player with a ‘starting’ position. Laughed at him in Miami, dread that he’s a Bill. There HAS to be someone better! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SECRET SQUIRREL Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Bass has been dead accurate on all of his kicks on his holds so far this year, he's worth keeping around on that alone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, Georgie said: I don't think there are any suitable replacements available YET. After the final cuts, take a look. I'm no punting expert; is there anything the ST coach,Farwell,could be doing with scheme,etc. that affects Haack? You could tell Bass was practicing directional kicks, so Haack was probably practicing something specific. If I recall, Haack isn't a boomer like Bojo, but he’s more known for good accuracy on his kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 We don't plan on punting anyways so why get upset by this? 🤔 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 minute ago, SECRET SQUIRREL said: Bass has been dead accurate on all of his kicks on his holds so far this year, he's worth keeping around on that alone. With our offensive power, who says the Bills will be punting this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 If we punt more than 10 times this season I’ll be shocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, SC BIlls Fan said: I don't want Bass to have to get used to another holder! By all accounts, Bojo was a bad holder and Haack is solid, so I think that's certainly a part of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Kind of like the talk of cutting Bass early last season? 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) I'm still trying to figure out why Cory B is gone. I thought he was fine, maybe a little pricey but nothing that wasn't manageable. Beane may have missed on this one. Edited August 22, 2021 by ProcessTruster spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Thank you, Suds. Easily our Worst player with a ‘starting’ position. Laughed at him in Miami, dread that he’s a Bill. There HAS to be someone better! I looked up Haack's splits when we signed him because I kind of thought the same thing. It's funny but some of his worse days were against the Bills. But he is a pretty good punter. He had 1 blocked punt that I watched against the Pats* in 2018. He didn't have a chance on the kick. The 22:25 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fg1LfX9If0 The way I think that Beane and McDermott are thinking is he doesn't need to kick deep with the Bills offense. He should be kicking balls needing to get inside the 20 with good hang time and no returns. Like I said he had some bad games against Buffalo. Here is his splits. https://www.nfl.com/players/matt-haack/stats/splits/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Bojo is going to get cut, so they could always go back to him if they wanted. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 There were probably threads last year about this time stating the same thing about Bass. WRT Haack the punter, I think the Bills moved on from Bojo for three reasons; He was asking for more money than they wanted to pay him Maybe they did get close on $$, but then he wanted a shorter deal and the Bills wanted a longer commitment from him He was shaky on holding While I agree with you on the punting was less than stellar I can't help but wonder if the Bills were willing to give up some yards on punting in exchange for better holds on kicks. The way this offense looks there's maybe more kicking opportunities than punts. Seems more games are won/lost on made/missed FG's than a long punt return. They do happen, but not as much as the field goals. Plus seems like Haack's issue is distance, not hang time so yeah maybe some yards are given up, but little in returns. I'll also add at this point, Bass has developed good timing with him so would be real hesitant to mess with that as now would be starting over with much less time to both get up to speed and on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Bojo is going to get cut, so they could always go back to him if they wanted. And he’ll be cheaper next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Good points. That it’s highly unlikely I’ll get my wish, I hope you and his believers here are correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: There were probably threads last year about this time stating the same thing about Bass. WRT Haack the punter, I think the Bills moved on from Bojo for three reasons; He was asking for more money than they wanted to pay him Maybe they did get close on $$, but then he wanted a shorter deal and the Bills wanted a longer commitment from him He was shaky on holding While I agree with you on the punting was less than stellar I can't help but wonder if the Bills were willing to give up some yards on punting in exchange for better holds on kicks. The way this offense looks there's maybe more kicking opportunities than punts. Seems more games are won/lost on made/missed FG's than a long punt return. They do happen, but not as much as the field goals. Plus seems like Haack's issue is distance, not hang time so yeah maybe some yards are given up, but little in returns. I'll also add at this point, Bass has developed good timing with him so would be real hesitant to mess with that as now would be starting over with much less time to both get up to speed and on the same page. Agree with this. I re-watched a fair number of Bills games from last season on game pass. Regarding Bojo last year, he missed quite a few chances to pin the opponent inside the 20. This may be another reason why they changed punters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Bojo is going to get cut, so they could always go back to him if they wanted. I did not know he plays for the Rams. Guys like Bojo cease to exist in my realm when they disappear from our roster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Bojo drove me crazy, and I'm glad to see they're attempting to upgrade. Remains to be seen, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 hour ago, DCbillsfan said: Agree with this. I re-watched a fair number of Bills games from last season on game pass. Regarding Bojo last year, he missed quite a few chances to pin the opponent inside the 20. This may be another reason why they changed punters. That was the primary reason he was released. People tend to overlook the fact that each touchback is akin to a twenty yard shift in field position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: You could tell Bass was practicing directional kicks, so Haack was probably practicing something specific. If I recall, Haack isn't a boomer like Bojo, but he’s more known for good accuracy on his kicks. That is what I was wondering . Haack was pretty good vs. Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGeneral Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Punt? What's that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 No need, we aren't punting a single time this year so we don't need to worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Beerball said: I don't want to go all @stevestojan about this, but Haack was pretty brutal yesterday. Should Beane bring in some fresh legs to look at? It is like when you are married of course you can l👀k but you need to be careful with communications 👄 and testing is no no. it would be good to see him behind normal protection not players who will be cut. There are lots of film including live games at Bills stadium for Bills to judge if he is a good punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Beerball said: I don't want to go all @stevestojan about this, but Haack was pretty brutal yesterday. Should Beane bring in some fresh legs to look at? Nope - just score every time - so the punter is irrevelant.😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Bojo Esque from his first two years. Bojo cleaned up the shanks last year. I thought this guy is supposed to be consistent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I mean this is a troll thread…it has to be a troll thread. You guys have no idea what they were working on in the kicking game, they might have asked him to do stuff to test the gunners. Nobody has any clue, it’s preseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 **** punting! We don’t need a punter. We have Josh allen. Go for it every time. Teach Josh to punt. Pooch punt on occasion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Finally was able to watch the Bears game. Haack had sort of an odd punting style— real forced and punchy. Almost like someone taking a 3/4 swing with a golf iron. I am not sure that is intentional or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyBill Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I don’t even care if he can only punt it 30 yds. We’re not punting but maybe 30 times this year. I want someone that can catch and hold that long snap because that’s what our punter is going to be paid for this year. It’s 30 punts to more than 70 extra points and field goals. Instead of listing him as a punter, I’d change it to holder and let people wonder who the punter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: I'm still trying to figure out why Cory B is gone. I thought he was fine, maybe a little pricey but nothing that wasn't manageable. Beane may have missed on this one. Because Bojo couldn’t hold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) Haack is excellent at putting the ball inside the 20, both directionally and with hang time for fair catches. I think this was a focus of the FO, knowing the offense was going to move the ball, having a punter who could pin the other team deep was more important than having someone who could kick it 70 yds out of the back of the EZ (that being said, at the 2nd open practice haack did have one kick from the back of the EZ to the other 35 - he is certainly also capable of letting one loose as well). If anything i think he becomes a big positive for the team this year. Quote For one, he has a knack for pinning the ball inside the 20. Haack has done so 114 times in his four-year career and holds the single-season record for the Miami Dolphins doing it 34 times in 2018 https://www.buffalobills.com/news/how-punter-matt-haack-plans-to-use-his-versatility-in-buffalo Edited August 23, 2021 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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