Jake Kumerow… make the team or trade to GB?

[MJS]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Its tough to find clips of just WRs blocking but we got good effort from our WRs all year

Great block. But I wonder how much longer that will be legal. They just banned cut blocks within the TE box. I could see that expanded to the rest of the field soon. If that happens, it will seriously impact the effectiveness of receivers and running backs in blocking.

 

EDIT: Actually the cut blocks are ONLY legal within the TE box now, so the change is already there. It will really impact blocking assignments for running backs and receivers going forward.

Edited July 29, 2021 by MJS

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Everybody is sleeping on Marquez Stevenson. He was drafted in the same round as Hodgins was last season and 99.9% of Bills fans are strangely raving about and penciling in Hodgins on the 53 while cutting Stevenson - when they've both played the same amount of snaps in the NFL.

 

I feel that Stevenson's strengths of speed and return ability are needed more in this WR core than Hodgins size and red zone ability. McKenzie has shown a proclivity for fumbling in the return game throughout his career. They generally rolled out Micah Hyde to return Punts over him. There's a reason why a specialist was drafted this season.

 

The way I see it, Marquez Stevenson, Isaiah Hodgins, and Jake Kumerow are battling for one spot. I tend to feel that Kumerow making the 53 is pretty much slim to none - short of injuries or something else unforeseen. I think they hope he'll be on our Practice Squad to call up in the event of injury. Which means GB can sign him to their 53 whenever they want anyways.

 

I'd get on the phone with them now. If you can get something for him, do it. I like Touchdown Jesus quite a bit. But if you can get an asset for someone you'll lose for nothing anyways - get ahead of the game.

 

Stevenson has a shot but he would have to flat out win the return job. Anything else and I think he has a year on the PS.

[LeGOATski]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

Great block. But I wonder how much longer that will be legal. They just banned cut blocks within the TE box. I could see that expanded to the rest of the field soon. If that happens, it will seriously impact the effectiveness of recovers and running backs in blocking.

Isn't it based on safety? Cut blocks outside the box haven't been as much of an issue.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

Great block. But I wonder how much longer that will be legal. They just banned cut blocks within the TE box. I could see that expanded to the rest of the field soon. If that happens, it will seriously impact the effectiveness of recovers and running backs in blocking.

That new rule is very tricky when you read the actual rule.. 

 

The approved proposal illegalizes blocking below the waist by offensive and defensive players on scrimmage downs when contact occurs beyond five yards on either side of the line of scrimmage and more than two yards outside of either offensive tackle 

 

Sounds like it's only legal inside the Tightend box now... Illegal down field

[Sugar High JA17]

Trade him for a 6/7 and try to flip the next picks in the 2022 for a 5th in 2023. If your guy in 2023 isnt there in the 5th then trade that for a 4th in the 2024 draft. Its makes all the sense in the world

[todd]

Jake Kumrow probably won't make this team. Why would the Packers trade for a guy that will be cut?

[Rc2catch]

So all I have really taken from these comments is 

A) Is there that much interest and urgency in flipping Kumerow for a late round pick? 
B) We have had Mcdermott here awhile now, do we think he’s all of a sudden changed? Special teams players have been a huge part of his roster building every year and I don’t think that’ll change this year. I don’t know much about Hodgins outside hearing his catch radius is crazy good but Kumerow plays special teams and has been quite good at the dirty work some receivers don’t like doing. 

[billybrew1]

4 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Make the team... we need his skill set imo

We have so much talent in the bottom of our WR room but I don't know if any of them could be even a #3 in the NFL....

They are right there at the fringe of that (#3) I think.....But who knows? Gotta give them a chance.

We have Stevenson, Lenoir, Kumerow and Hodgins that all offer tempting nfl level talent, imho. Gentry maybe too?

I think Hodgins has that classic NFL size and athleticism that perhaps he could be a star. Stevenson is 2" bigger than McKenzie but offers similar speed and quickness (I think). Kumerow doesn't have those long arms or athleticism and jumping ability but he has more experience....If both were to make it you couldn't call Buffalo WRs tiny anymore with Davis, Kumerow and Hodgins. Especially if they actually played Kumerow and Hodgins. I think we play all our weapons under Daboll though and as aside, I think we miss Daboll when he's gone more than anyone realizes. I don't know if our underlings understand exactly what Daboll does. Or if they are willing to put in all the film work. Do they know what they are looking for? I sure hope do but I have reservations....

[Simon Says]

Well,Packers just traded for Randall Cobb....

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 hours ago, Process said:

Imagine throwing a hissy fit and threatening retirement for three months over Randall Cobb and Jake Kumerow.

Kumerow is completely understandable...

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

If he didn’t look kinda like Jesus I would have no idea who he was….

Just an aside, Jesus was not a white guy….😁👍

[billybrew1]

35 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

So all I have really taken from these comments is 

A) Is there that much interest and urgency in flipping Kumerow for a late round pick? 
B) We have had Mcdermott here awhile now, do we think he’s all of a sudden changed? Special teams players have been a huge part of his roster building every year and I don’t think that’ll change this year. I don’t know much about Hodgins outside hearing his catch radius is crazy good but Kumerow plays special teams and has been quite good at the dirty work some receivers don’t like doing. 

This is our most talented roster under McD that is for sure. You're absolutely right about our emphasis on STs but given more competition (we never had a really deep roster before) it will be interesting to see what we do. Are you intimating Kumerow is a lock due to his ST play? I gotta admit I didn't notice or forgot Kumerow on STs. Was he noticeable?

Talk about this problem it is going to come to a head at DE with Daryl Johnson an excellent STer and not really getting better at DE.... Man, what are we going to do along the whole DL?!  Carry 12? LOL, Talk about keeping guys for STs .... I don't know how effective our DL can be on STs? I hope next year we are great along the DL. Hoping AJ, Ed, Boogie And Groot are solid keepers and with Addison, Star, and Jerry coming off the books Beane can add an impact player perhaps?

And we draft another DL.... We could be dominant there with any luck (and skill).

Are we going to catch the chefs eventually? Look at Tremaine, Ed, AJ, Boogie And Groot. Can Beane draft?

We'll See.... 

I just read Peter King say we reached for Groot but 2 or 3 DL went right after Groot. We just started the run but we had better of gotten the best one.

[Rc2catch]

8 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

This is our most talented roster under McD that is for sure. You're absolutely right about our emphasis on STs but given more competition (we never had a really deep roster before) it will be interesting to see what we do. Are you intimating Kumerow is a lock due to his ST play? I gotta admit I didn't notice or forgot Kumerow on STs. Was he noticeable?

Talk about this problem it is going to come to a head at DE with Daryl Johnson an excellent STer and not really getting better at DE.... Man, what are we going to do along the whole DL?!  Carry 12? LOL, Talk about keeping guys for STs .... I don't know how effective our DL can be on STs? I hope next year we are great along the DL. Hoping AJ, Ed, Boogie And Groot are solid keepers and with Addison, Star, and Jerry coming off the books Beane can add an impact player perhaps?

And we draft another DL.... We could be dominant there with any luck (and skill).

Are we going to catch the chefs eventually? Look at Tremaine, Ed, AJ, Boogie And Groot. Can Beane draft?

We'll See.... 

I just read Peter King say we reached for Groot but 2 or 3 DL went right after Groot. We just started the run but we had better of gotten the best one.

Oh no I don’t think Kumerow is a lock at all. But he may get the nod over Hodgins because of special teams play if the last spot is between them two. 
I was more referring to a couple comments about cutting Taiwan Jones who I totally understand takes a roster spot us fans would like to use for Breida or another receiver or something on gameday. But I think Taiwan is a lock to make the team, I also think there’s going to be intense battles on this message board if Moss, motor and Jones are active every week and Breida sits like Yeldon. 

[Brennan Huff]

42 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Just an aside, Jesus was not a white guy….😁👍

Well I did put “kinda looks like” in my post..

[RichRiderBills]

Keep Kumerow. He's my 6th WR right now, and even if he's cut we need 3 WRs on PS and can protect 4 players. 

1 hour ago, todd said:

Jake Kumrow probably won't make this team. Why would the Packers trade for a guy that will be cut?

 

Bills can protect 4 players on PS as well. He will likely make the team or one of those spots.

[Solomon Grundy]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I of course would rather trade him then cut him

Who do you cut to keep him?   Hodgins is going to end up being our Kumerow

Clairvoyant??

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I need to see Hodgins do something first. He is their own pick so he has that but Kumerow contributed a bit both on offense and teams last year. Hodgins needs to ball out in camp and pre-season to make the roster IMO.

Thank you Gunner. Aaron Rodgers said he was the second best WR in their training camp, conceivably behind Davante Adams. Jake has made plays in the NFL. Hodgins hasn’t, as of yet.

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, Process said:

Imagine throwing a hissy fit and threatening retirement for three months over Randall Cobb and Jake Kumerow.

Imagine asking for so little and the team struggling to agree to bend even that far 

[billybrew1]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

Oh no I don’t think Kumerow is a lock at all. But he may get the nod over Hodgins because of special teams play if the last spot is between them two. 
I was more referring to a couple comments about cutting Taiwan Jones who I totally understand takes a roster spot us fans would like to use for Breida or another receiver or something on gameday. But I think Taiwan is a lock to make the team, I also think there’s going to be intense battles on this message board if Moss, motor and Jones are active every week and Breida sits like Yeldon. 

Maybe Antonio Williams can solve the argument???  He played STs in college for certain, so he might be pretty good at that plus he looked fantastic vs. Miam...... I'm rooting for another Williams to make the Bills for sure. He might be another Fredddy who knows? I like him, a lot.

i would look to trade Moss if I can get a third and a sixth, and go with Singletary (He's the best first down back of the bunch and I think he gets his 5.1 again to lead the league. (Pretty bold, huh?) 

Williams becomes change of pace plus short yardage. Breida becomes a guy Daboll draws up TD plays for, and Wade goes to the regular PS where he can be called up when needed. If we can't get what I want for Moss we obviously keep him and Breida doesn't make it and hopefully all three play RB and STs and I'm telling you, Moss has zero problem playing STs either. I just don't know if he would be too useful?

[BaaadThingsMan]

If they're gonna cut him, trade him.

 

If they think he should on the roster, he should. 

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

That new rule is very tricky when you read the actual rule.. 

 

The approved proposal illegalizes blocking below the waist by offensive and defensive players on scrimmage downs when contact occurs beyond five yards on either side of the line of scrimmage and more than two yards outside of either offensive tackle 

 

Sounds like it's only legal inside the Tightend box now... Illegal down field

Oh yeah, my bad. You're right. So it has basically already happened. It's going to have a big impact.

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Isn't it based on safety? Cut blocks outside the box haven't been as much of an issue.

I was wrong, it's actually ONLY permitted within the TE box now, so it actually is illegal to cut block on the outside like that. So yeah, the Diggs block would be illegal this coming season.

 

It's going to be very interesting to see how teams adjust.

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, MJS said:

Oh yeah, my bad. You're right. So it has basically already happened. It's going to have a big impact.

Absolutely 

 

Defensive players are not allowed to cut pulling lineman below the waist either outside of that box 

 

Going to have a huge impact

Edited July 29, 2021 by Buffalo716

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Stevenson has a shot but he would have to flat out win the return job. Anything else and I think he has a year on the PS.

 

And I think he has a much better chance of doing that then people are giving him credit for. McKenzie was cut by the Broncos and ended up here for fumbling too many returns. He had 6 fumbles in 2017, 3 were lost. In 2018, he had 2 more and lost one of them. This is why he wasn't used as a Returner for us very often. Even when we were down a return man, we would often put Micah Hyde back there to return Punts because he was more trusted to cleanly handle them. 

 

That combined with us drafting a return man in Stevenson and I don't see it being a done deal that McKenzie's just being handed the job. I think it's at least an open competition between the two. Or possibly just Stevenson's job in their eyes outright.

[LeGOATski]

38 minutes ago, MJS said:

I was wrong, it's actually ONLY permitted within the TE box now, so it actually is illegal to cut block on the outside like that. So yeah, the Diggs block would be illegal this coming season.

 

It's going to be very interesting to see how teams adjust.

Gross. I would understand if it's in and around the line. It's harder to protect yourself there. Outside of that, you have more space and more nimble guys.

[ganesh]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Kumerow could make it here. I think the 6th spot is most likely him or Hodgins.

Agreed.  Question is do you keep him as the 7th receiver instead of a 4th TE?

[letsgoteam]

IF AROD says he was the 2nd best WR on the team, does that mean JK is that good, or does GB have a weak WR core (or some combo of both). 

 

Long story short, I guess what I'm trying to say is that Rodgers thinks he is that good, maybe he is?

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I need to see Hodgins do something first. He is their own pick so he has that but Kumerow contributed a bit both on offense and teams last year. Hodgins needs to ball out in camp and pre-season to make the roster IMO.

I mean he didn't play bc of injuries last year. It pretty much felt like a redshirt ing. Would be really nice if he could be the RZ target James Hardy was supposed to be. A guy can wish!

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, letsgoteam said:

IF AROD says he was the 2nd best WR on the team, does that mean JK is that good, or does GB have a weak WR core (or some combo of both). 

 

Long story short, I guess what I'm trying to say is that Rodgers thinks he is that good, maybe he is?

 

It means for HIM he is 2nd most player would count on when he needed to make a play. 

That does not mean player who would catch the 2nd most passes or 2nd most TDs.

When he is in scramble drill he is player who seems to know how to get to an open spot that Rodgers will be looking for.

He is not likely covered by 1st or 2nd CB in most cases.

 

Some QBs-WRs are just in sync with each other.  Fitzpatrick and Stevie Johnson were like that.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

And I think he has a much better chance of doing that then people are giving him credit for. McKenzie was cut by the Broncos and ended up here for fumbling too many returns. He had 6 fumbles in 2017, 3 were lost. In 2018, he had 2 more and lost one of them. This is why he wasn't used as a Returner for us very often. Even when we were down a return man, we would often put Micah Hyde back there to return Punts because he was more trusted to cleanly handle them. 

 

That combined with us drafting a return man in Stevenson and I don't see it being a done deal that McKenzie's just being handed the job. I think it's at least an open competition between the two. Or possibly just Stevenson's job in their eyes outright.

 

Beane and McDermott both said in the spring that McKenzie has the first shot. I think he is a pretty short favourite in the competition. 

[machine gun kelly]

I’m hoping Hodgins makes it and on a rookie contract for the next three years.  He had a good camp last year until injured.  Kumerow is ok, but if we could get a 6th for him, and GB gets to appease Rodgers, that’s a win for everyone.

 

I think this is going to be our roster anyway.

 

Diggs

Sanders

Beasely

Davis

McKenzie

Hodgins

 

The rookie to the PS, with the option to activate him if McKenzie hasn’t improved in fumbling returns.  It’s not much, but we’d save $920K in Kumerow’s salary, there’s no dead cap, and I don’t see GB giving up anything more than a 6th.

 

They will probably wait us out and hope he’s cut, but that’s not a lock.  We could always keep Hodgins on the PS and have Kumerow as the 6th.  As far as 7 WR’s, most NFL coaches seem to keep the same number of guys in each position group, so I expect us to keep 6 active.

 

[BillsMailman]

Touchdown Jesus I would LOVE to see make it but I don’t think there would be a spot. 

[ExWNYer]

10 hours ago, ganesh said:

Agreed.  Question is do you keep him as the 7th receiver instead of a 4th TE?

 

Unless this regime has suddenly changed its m.o., it's not likely they'll carry 7 WRs. They have never rostered more than 6 under Beane and McDermott. Although they certainly have 7 WRs worthy of a roster spot, they are more likely to go long in the trenches. IMO.

[H2o]

I expect Beane to pull off a couple of trades this Preseason tbh. Kumerow could be one of them if he's not going to make the roster. I also expect at least one of our OL'man to be dealt. 

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

Keep Kumerow. He's my 6th WR right now, and even if he's cut we need 3 WRs on PS and can protect 4 players. 

 

Bills can protect 4 players on PS as well. He will likely make the team or one of those spots.

 

They can't protect 4 players on the PS at cutdowns. You cut down to 53. Everyone else is a FA or goes to waivers. If they clear waivers you can sign them back to your practice squad (although other teams can sign them for their PS too) and once they are on your PS they can only be signed away by a team wanting to put them on their 53. Equally each week throughout the season the Bills then get to protect 4 PS from being stolen for the duration of that week only.  

12 hours ago, ganesh said:

Agreed.  Question is do you keep him as the 7th receiver instead of a 4th TE?

 

Personally, I would keep 3 TE / FBs. I'd keep Gilliam as a special teamer and hybrid FB/TE. I'd keep Knox and I'd keep Hollister and I'd try to get Tommy Sweeney back on the PS (which I am pretty sure they will be able to do because he just doesn't have any tape for teams to want him for their 53). That would give me flexibility to keep an extra receiver two from Kumerow who plays on some coverage teams, Stevenson as an extra return option, and Hodgins because I like his potential as a redzone guy. 

 

But the history of this regime is they will keep 4 FB/TEs. 

[klos63]

20 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

If Kumerow is worth Aaron Rodgers throwing a hissy fit over, he has to be good enough for a spot on Bills roster. He didn’t get the moniker “Touchdown Jesus” for nothing 

I think he got the nickname based on his appearance, not the 2 TD's he caught during his career in GB.  He's 29 and hasn't really accomplished much. That's getting old for a WR.

[machine gun kelly]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They can't protect 4 players on the PS at cutdowns. You cut down to 53. Everyone else is a FA or goes to waivers. If they clear waivers you can sign them back to your practice squad (although other teams can sign them for their PS too) and once they are on your PS they can only be signed away by a team wanting to put them on their 53. Equally each week throughout the season the Bills then get to protect 4 PS from being stolen for the duration of that week only.  

 

Personally, I would keep 3 TE / FBs. I'd keep Gilliam as a special teamer and hybrid FB/TE. I'd keep Knox and I'd keep Hollister and I'd try to get Tommy Sweeney back on the PS (which I am pretty sure they will be able to do because he just doesn't have any tape for teams to want him for their 53). That would give me flexibility to keep an extra receiver two from Kumerow who plays on some coverage teams, Stevenson as an extra return option, and Hodgins because I like his potential as a redzone guy. 

 

But the history of this regime is they will keep 4 FB/TEs. 

GB, good clarification, and I’ll add they went back from 16 last year on PS back to 12 and only 2 can be veteran players.  So they did hold over to a smaller degree the pandemic rule change on PS.  Incidentally, they will move up to 14 next year.  He doesn’t meet the traditional PS qualifications.

[FilthyBeast]

Given how stacked the WR depth chart is at best Kumerow makes it as a 6th or 7th WR and is mostly just a ST guy.

 

So if Rogers and GB really want him and would be willing to offer even just 6th round pick I would jump all over that deal.

[HOUSE]

The guy needs a shave

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

18 hours ago, todd said:

Jake Kumrow probably won't make this team. Why would the Packers trade for a guy that will be cut?

Beane has finagled a 6th or 7th pick in the past for someone they were likely to cut for a guy the trading partner doesn’t want to hit the open market. 

15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Absolutely 

 

Defensive players are not allowed to cut pulling lineman below the waist either outside of that box 

 

Going to have a huge impact

Screen game just got marginalized…

[Blainorama5]

On 7/28/2021 at 2:27 PM, Blainorama5 said:

Trade Kumerow for Rodgers - we know he wants out anyway.  Maybe Aaron will be cool backing up Josh! 😉

I KNEW it!!!!  🤪

[Augie]

On 7/28/2021 at 1:39 PM, CSBill said:

I like Jake, he’s sort of a hybrid TE / WR type, gives the QB a lot of options. And he is also a valuable Special Teams player. You know how McBean and company love those ST’ers. 

 

This may be crazy, but I love the guy for the TD Josh threw him up the seam. One of the best balls I’ve seen Josh throw. That was such a beautiful play I’d love to see more just like it! 

 

Just goes to show, one team’s trash can be another team’s treasure! What do you think Rodgers would give for our WR group?