Carl Nassib Announces He is Gay

[Mike in Horseheads]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

{Mitch Trubisky sings Breakfast at Tiffanys to Dablitzkrieg}:

And as I recall I think, we both kind of liked it
And I said well that's, the one thing we've got

 

[Draconator]

 

[Aaronthebaron]

1 hour ago, BuffAlone said:

Whatever...shudder away. My point is, if you have one member openly seeking the opposite sex, within the confines of showering together, it MIGHT happen. an attraction at the very least. Is that mathematically improbable??

What’s mathematically probable is that there’s already likely 5 players on every teams roster who are gay/bi and are just not out, following national statistical trends.

Do you want these people rooted out? What test would you advise? Show every player a picture of boobs and see who says “oh yeah!” Or “ewww”?

Carl is the same guy he was last year when he was showering with the team.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Aaronthebaron

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, BuffAlone said:

Whatever...shudder away. My point is, if you have one member openly seeking the opposite sex, within the confines of showering together, it MIGHT happen. an attraction at the very least. Is that mathematically improbable??

 

what has stopped him from hitting on all his teammates all these years?  i'm sure you've come across gay guys in the past have they hit on you?

[Don Otreply]

He’s not the only one, and more power to him, it was a brave thing for him to do, gotta respect that in any person. 

[SectionC3]

Good for Nassib.  That took courage.  Which is more than sort of sad, because it shouldn’t take that type of bravery to live an honest, decent life.  I can’t stand the Raiders, but I’m pulling for this guy.  
 

Also, FYI, there is at least one prominent Bill in the not-so-distant past who is gay.  It was an open secret back in the day.  We all rooted for him.  So anyone who has a problem with Nassib … keep that in mind. 

 

[Beast]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Also, FYI, there is at least one prominent Bill in the not-so-distant past who is gay.  It was an open secret back in the day.  We all rooted for him.  So anyone who has a problem with Nassib … keep that in mind. 

 

Travis Henry?

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I applaud him because that definitely took a lot of guts considering the macho culture of the NFL. There must be a lot more gay players in the league who will probably never come out. Statistically there are probably about two full NFL teams worth of gay players.

[bahamasbills]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I doubt he's anyone's type.

Hes the first active openly gay player in NFL history.   What aren't you sure about?

Didn't Michael Sam already fulfill that role?

[Beast]

3 minutes ago, bahamasbills said:

Didn't Michael Sam already fulfill that role?

Yes he did.

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, bahamasbills said:

Didn't Michael Sam already fulfill that role?

Yeah.  That should read first active player to come out.  Sam came out in college.

[swimtoga]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I just want to take a moment to say I'm straight.  Been meaning to say this for a while.   I like boobs

and unoriginal. 

[just1hugheser]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

I don't think I do know what you mean.  I routinely see fellow members of Bills Mafia pollute this board, facebook, and twitter with truly abhorrent posts on the topics of race and sexuality.  Its hardly "woke" to call this out.

 

Its not a difference of opinion.  Words have clear and established meanings.  Like normal for instance, "conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected."  So when a player comes out and becomes the FIRST ACTIVE OPENLY GAY PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY  that is anything but normal because its the first time in history that it has ever happened.  This event is literally the antithesis of normal.  Everything you have posted in this thread is completely incorrect 

 

well then i guess i should elaborate;

 

Another poster said he was ashamed to share a fanbase with some of the people whose comments said poster did not agree with.   One thought that came into my mind is that just because someone share's an interest or love in one area of their lives does not mean that the same will be true in other areas.  So i said something similar as in Bills fans' politics,ethics, morals etc. are not monolithic.

 

Now for my part that probably was not the intention of the original poster(ie to generalize), or that because someone shares a common sense point of view in one area does not mean that they are/should be so 'woke' about other areas.

 

So when I said, "billsfan dont get me wrong, i roll my eyes at some of the stuff that gets posted, but just because we are all bills fans doesn't mean we are all lol 'woke' cant believe i just used that term but i think ya'll know what i mean"

 

So I was not trying to get at him about calling out people whose posts he/she considers abhorrent but his/her feelings of seeming surprise/shame that some Bills fans arent 'woke' by which I meant has the skills/thought/intelligence or whatever you want to call it to be able to walk in other people's shoes(empathy) and use that to better understand someone's perspective/feelings/thoughts/emotions so as to apply the golden rule of if you were in their shoes how would you feel about being treated a certain way just because your skin is a different color, or if you love/are attracted to people of the same sex, or whatever the difference is that people who are not 'woke' use to divide, demean, belittle, eliminate, keep down, etc. everyone who is not like them or acceptable to them.

 

I knew it was going to be semi difficult for me to articulate correctly what exactly i was trying to say while using the word 'woke' such as I did, so I was hoping to get away with that alone, though I now feel better for having at least made an attempt to elaborate and articulate the meaning of what I was trying to say.  Though admittedly I still might have failed. 

 

one person could be a good bills fan, despise racism, is fair and considerate to almost all, but then you find out that said person believes women should only be barefoot pregnant in the kitchen>  ie being a bills fan does not mean someone is not a racist or sexist or whatever, they are not mutually exclusive, which was my initial thought and reaction to the other poster

 

 

i think maybe i over explained this one for fear of improper communication, i am a bit insecure when it comes to communication as it always seems so clear in my head but then when i try to put it out into the universe i can never seem to get across exactly what i mean

Edited June 22, 2021 by just1hugheser

[Rochesterfan]

7 minutes ago, bahamasbills said:

Didn't Michael Sam already fulfill that role?

 

4 minutes ago, Beast said:

Yes he did.

 

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Yeah.  That should read first active player to come out.  Sam came out in college.

 

I don’t believe Michael Sam ever played and active down in the NFL.  
 

I believe he was drafted late (7th rd I think) by the Rams and failed to make their squad and was cut prior to the 1st game.

 

I think Dallas put him on their practice squad for a bit, but he was never and active player.

 

Sam does hold the distinction of being the first openly gay player drafted (and good for him), but not the first active NFL player to come out - nor the first openly gay player to play a live game - that falls to Carl for right now - unless someone else follows his lead.

[Rico]

19 minutes ago, Beast said:

Travis Henry?

Jordan Gay.

[Mango]

“Shouldn’t be news”

 

But also it’s 2021 and the NFL has NEVER had a player come out as gay. It is 2021 and nearly 27,000 players have dressed for an NFL, and this is the first time.

 

The NFL is antiquated. Maybe this is news, and some thing we talk about and normalize, so we don’t have to wait until 20 effing 21 for an NFL player to come out of the closet.

[cba fan]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But he isn't of the opposite sex. He is of the same sex. And believe me - Carl Nassib ain't in the slightest bit interested in what you have got fella.

how could you possibly know this?

[716er]

This should be news - and it should be celebrated. Mad props to Carl.

[cba fan]

55 minutes ago, Aaronthebaron said:

What’s mathematically probable is that there’s already likely 5 players on every teams roster who are gay/bi and are just not out, following national statistical trends.

Do you want these people rooted out? What test would you advise? Show every player a picture of boobs and see who says “oh yeah!” Or “ewww”?

Carl is the same guy he was last year when he was showering with the team.

avg in US is aprox 3.5% to 3.9% of men in gen pop as Gay or Bi.. So more like 1 or 2 per team. I only count 53 man roster that made team after preseason due to Sam did not count per this board. Even though he was drafted, in camp, cut at 53 man deadline so did not count per this board. Then on practice squad but never put on the 53 man roster and so does not count according to this board.

 

I would also add football is such a masculine sport i doubt it attracts GB leaning individuals so that 2 number per team is likely possibly lower.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, bahamasbills said:

Didn't Michael Sam already fulfill that role?

 

Does it count as "in the NFL" if you never make a 53 man roster, let alone play a snap

[HardyBoy]

2 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

say what you want. A person is allowed and encouraged to be themselves by all means. However, In a shower room of 52 other players, that may not be accepted. Plain facts. I know girls in my school wouldn't want me showering with them. Knowing I like *****. Where do you draw the line?? What ever happened to don't kiss n tell?? jmo. Am I allowwd to say "flame away" on this?😏

 

Here's the scary part (for you) then. I just saw a recent study that said something like only 63% of gen z consider themselves entirely heterosexual, compared to 80% plus for every older generation up to like 95%+ of the greatest generation.

 

It's too quick and big of a shift between millennials and gen z for that to be environmental factors like flame ######ants. My money is on that is always how things have been, and you'd just get dragged behind a truck if you did what this dude just did and come out (still happens places). Or told it's cool, be who you are totally, we're just going to ostracize you, because "plain facts." So curious how sports are even still possible these days...people must be getting dressed in their cars to avoid the stares :\

 

Kinda makes you wonder about all the locker rooms you've been in and all the people definitely not potentially interested in men. Or...makes you maybe wonder why you are protecting your psyche so much from potentially having someone think a thought in their own head (you didn't even say act on any attraction...freaking thought police much). Oh man, what would happen if you found out years later that a teammate came out, and they gulp, had seen you naked in the shower...ahhhhh the horror!

 

Also, i played sports all through high school and a bit in college, I'm 37...i have never showered naked once with teammates in any sport I've ever played, not once.

 

Also, there are teen coed showers in Europe from what I understand, and they don't devolve into full on orgies at all, it's just nudity...I genuinely think you'd have been just fine, and my hope is your fear of being seen in the shower alone with someone who was openly gay in turn leading to rumors about you would be lower on your priorities than sticking up for a teammate that was getting bullied.

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Does it count as "in the NFL" if you never make a 53 man roster, let alone play a snap

 

Michael Sam - should be celebrated - especially as he was brave enough and supported enough to come out in college and be the first openly gay player drafted - quite an accomplishment on its own!

 

Carl Nassib opening up while an active NFL player is on a different level than Sam I believe and I hope this allows others in the future to have a path to coming out.

 

Both should be celebrated for giving a voice/place to others and I look forward to the day that this isn’t news - just something that is natural.

 

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I wonder if there are any Bills players who are gay.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that

[Ya Digg?]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

LAMP by Nassin. What is he looking for a book deal or something? I’d rather he keep his personal life, personal. Especially his sexual preferences.

He’s a public figure, so it’s hard for him to keep his personal life personal. He’s probably tired of hiding it-maybe he’s with someone he is proud to be with and wants to be seen in public with him. You think he came out as gay for a book deal?!?! Yikes

[Nextmanup]

13 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Michael Sam - should be celebrated - especially as he was brave enough and supported enough to come out in college and be the first openly gay player drafted - quite an accomplishment on its own!

 

Carl Nassib opening up while an active NFL player is on a different level than Sam I believe and I hope this allows others in the future to have a path to coming out.

 

Both should be celebrated for giving a voice/place to others and I look forward to the day that this isn’t news - just something that is natural.

 

 

I really hope lots of players follow Nassib's lead and come out as well.

 

 

[Aaronthebaron]

23 minutes ago, cba fan said:

avg in US is aprox 3.5% to 3.9% of men in gen pop as Gay or Bi.. So more like 1 or 2 per team. I only count 53 man roster that made team after preseason due to Sam did not count per this board. Even though he was drafted, in camp, cut at 53 man deadline so did not count per this board. Then on practice squad but never put on the 53 man roster and so does not count according to this board.

 

I would also add football is such a masculine sport i doubt it attracts GB leaning individuals so that 2 number per team is likely possibly lower.

Gallup poll last year shows over 5% reported being gay/bi. That’s people willing to admit it. Some sociologist say it’s more likely 10% and growing. And there are 90 players on every team right now.

Maybe you’re right and the sport doesn’t attract lgbtq individuals, I disagree, but I have no way of knowing either. 

[stuvian]

there have been a lot of gay men who have been NFL players. Very few came out while playing

[HardyBoy]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Could be anything. Hiding what? If I talk about my sex life at work, I get a visit from HR and have to go through sexual harassment training. It’s not appropriate whatever the circumstances. 

 

You have a picture of your wife and kids up at work (assuming you're married with kids...if not think about the person who sits next to you)?

 

How exactly is you telling people you got engaged to your future wife as a guy any different than if you said you were engaged to someone of the same sex?

Edited June 22, 2021 by HardyBoy

[Reader]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Could be anything why he’s looking for attention. Hiding what? If I talk about my sex life at work, I get a visit from HR and have to go through sexual harassment training. It’s not appropriate whatever the circumstances or preferences. 

 

Saying one is gay = talking about their sex life?

[Ya Digg?]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Could be anything why he’s looking for attention. Hiding what? If I talk about my sex life at work, I get a visit from HR and have to go through sexual harassment training. It’s not appropriate whatever the circumstances or preferences. 

He wasn’t at work, he was on his own Instagram! Also not once does he mention anything about his sex life. You’re obviously not getting it-being gay still widely isn’t seen by many people as a normal thing, so yes normally people do have to declare it at some point. Does he get more attention for it because he plays in the nfl absolutely he does, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t or can’t mention it. Do you react like this when you see these guys give their girlfriends/wife a hug or a kiss on tv?

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Could be anything. Hiding what? If I talk about my sex life at work, I get a visit from HR and have to go through sexual harassment training. It’s not appropriate whatever the circumstances. 

That's because you're an elementary school teacher.

[Southern_Bills]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

 

Its not a difference of opinion.  Words have clear and established meanings.  Like normal for instance, "conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected."  So when a player comes out and becomes the FIRST ACTIVE OPENLY GAY PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY  that is anything but normal because its the first time in history that it has ever happened.  This event is literally the antithesis of normal.  Everything you have posted in this thread is completely incorrect 

 

Ok, so we will pursue your path. 

 

Who was the first openly gay engineer?

 

Astronaut?

 

Police officer?

 

Police chief?

 

Electrician?

 

Welder?

 

Seems the only thing that makes this different is the occupation, which is my point. Not that I care he is gay.

 

Make sure to use bold, caps and italics next time, throw in an underline as well, then we will know you are right.

[Southern_Bills]

9 minutes ago, Reader said:

 

Saying one is gay = talking about their sex life?

 

Homosexuality just as heterosexualuality is a sexual preference. It's close, but I will say probably can make an argument it doesn't quite cross that line.

[4_kidd_4]

Gettin nice n derpy up in here.

 

As is the custom.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

LAMP by Nassin. What is he looking for a book deal or something? I’d rather he keep his personal life, personal. Especially his sexual preferences.

 

He made it pretty clear what part of his motivation was, but I'll be happy to post it again for you:

 

 

Why should he have to keep his personal life secret just to suit your preferences?

[Reader]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Funny but doesn’t matter profession.
 

I live in So Cal. Most important quality is the type of person you are. Kind, loving, thoughtful. That is what really matters. Gay isn’t a personality trait, it’s a sexual orientation. 

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure "Gay" is talking about one's sex life according to you.

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Funny but doesn’t matter profession.
 

I live in So Cal. Most important quality is the type of person you are. Kind, loving, thoughtful. That is what really matters. Gay isn’t a personality trait, it’s a sexual orientation. 

True, but there's still a stigma attached to it.  Coming out as a professional football player takes guts and shouldn't be diminished.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I wonder if there are any Bills players who are gay.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that

 

There probably are.

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

avg in US is aprox 3.5% to 3.9% of men in gen pop as Gay or Bi.. So more like 1 or 2 per team. I only count 53 man roster that made team after preseason due to Sam did not count per this board. Even though he was drafted, in camp, cut at 53 man deadline so did not count per this board. Then on practice squad but never put on the 53 man roster and so does not count according to this board.

 

I would also add football is such a masculine sport i doubt it attracts GB leaning individuals so that 2 number per team is likely possibly lower.

 

You have any data whatsoever to support your claim that being gay makes someone less masculine, and that fewer would play football?

 

Please don't point to ballet or something to prove your point. There are certain sports society deems as acceptable for boys to play, and the implication is if a boy wants to do dancing or figure skating then they must be gay.

 

My sons will do whatever they are interested in (sports, theater, music, art) and if anyone has a problem with that go judge elsewhere and I'll be plenty content with the knowledge my kids will not resent me for making them change who they are as humans to fit some arbitrary version of themselves that they think will gain my love and validation.

 

So, so, so sad people would twist like a pretzel to protect the idea of immature high school boys thinking someone might stare at their junk and judge them (the irony is the normalization of that behavior against women in movies like porkys as being boys will be boys) instead of thinking about the child in that situation who could be going through potentially crisis levels of stress and loneliness.

 

This isn't about being woke. It's about being ok with someone being in potential crisis emotional situations and instead of being compassionate, it's saying that person might look at me naked so lets ostracize them. That's legit awful, at best going to lead to long term emotional issues and potentially going to lead to suicide. There's no excuse for that. It sort of makes someone who would knowingly perpetuates that form of thinking an objectively bad person.

 

(edit: I'm not talking about you specifically cba fan or the comment that masculine people aren't gay/ wont play football...talking about adults in general who would ostracize a teenager from their peers because they find something icky or whatever).

Edited June 22, 2021 by HardyBoy

[Simon]

11 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

You have any data whatsoever to support your claim that being gay makes someone less masculine, and that fewer would play football?

 

No data for that could possibly exist. But of the 8-10 gay men I know, not a single one of them has ever showed the slightest interest in any sport.

I don't think it's pejorative to suggest that gay men are less interested in football or any other sport. It just seems like a general observation that holds up more often than not.