Bob in STL Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I disagree - they should be celebrated because their courage may/should allow other that are in a lesser position feel they are not alone. LGBTQ+ suicide rates are terrible - they feel alone and ostracized many times. They hide who they are out of fear. Having someone come out in a field like football or the military shows people they are not alone and that it isn’t just theater majors or drama or quiet hidden people that might be like them, but people that have made it into all walks of life. These men and women in sports and CEOs and actors and everyday people that choose to come out should be celebrated to remind everyone that we are all unique, but there are others that think like you - feel like you - you are never alone. Great points. I respect his courage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Being gay should not be a big thing. Being a lesbian is more commonplace in women's sports, so it's not as big a deal, though the media still seems to enjoy when someone has a preference reveal. That said, he needed to come out now, IMO, because he's overpaid and was benched towards the end of last season. He was in danger of losing his platform. so better to do it while he's an active player vs. being a released player. That way, he can bring an increased attention to the Trevor project. We'll next have the first male athlete to come out while a superstar in their sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, 716er said: He’s not an active player, Mr. K. Lets split hairs. Did he come out and get drafted? Are we not thinking that was a giant step? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, T master said: I have a announcement . I'm Hetro do you care ? If not then why should this be a thing ? Just do what it is you do keep it to your self I don't Care !!! What is Hetro? Gender fluid, non-binary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mr. K said: Lets split hairs. Did he come out and get drafted? Are we not thinking that was a giant step? not splitting hairs really - he never played in a regular season game so he wasn’t considered “active” by league standards. Still he definitely deserves credit. Sam was the 1st openly gay active player in the CFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 9 pages and counting on this topic - yet quite a few believe this isn't "newsworthy". I can assure you that if Ed Oliver tweeted that he was straight, this site would not get 9 pages of reaction. Edited June 22, 2021 by DasNootz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: not splitting hairs really - he never played in a regular season game so he wasn’t considered “active” by league standards. Still he definitely deserves credit. Sam was the 1st openly gay active player in the CFL. Michael Sam is a hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 16 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I just want to take a moment to say I'm straight. Been meaning to say this for a while. I like boobs In other related news - Rex Ryan just announced that he was also proudly straight - he likes women's feet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Bulldog said: In other related news - Rex Ryan just announced that he was also proudly straight - he likes women's feet. Although wasn't the rumour he also liked watching other men with his wife's feet (and other body parts) as well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Well you can go work for big tech and censor people, or better yet, become a moderator and censor us! Are those our choices: promoting censorship or espousing narratives that paint gay men as sexual monsters who are purely driven by the need to tackle other men? 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. K said: What about that kid who was the first open person drafted? Michael Sam. I guess he doesn't count.... Please list the NFL games that Michael Sam played in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Although wasn't the rumour he also liked watching other men with his wife's feet (and other body parts) as well..... Demanding they all go eat a ***** snack immediately after the final whistle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Are those our choices: promoting censorship or espousing narratives that paint gay men as sexual monsters who are purely driven by the need to tackle other men? Yea, now come on, pick a box and stick a cross in it! Jeez. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Please list the NFL games that Michael Sam played in... So it's only newsworthy as long as a "qualifier" is attached to it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Are those our choices: promoting censorship or espousing narratives that paint gay men as sexual monsters who are purely driven by the need to tackle other men? Also @Jauronimo my interest in looking at Stefon Diggs in his gameday uniform does me no favours in this discussion. 😁 Edited June 22, 2021 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Are those our choices: promoting censorship or espousing narratives that paint gay men as sexual monsters who are purely driven by the need to tackle other men? It's this ridiculous hyper sexualization of the human body. Edited June 22, 2021 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 16 hours ago, aristocrat said: true but he is the first active one to come out so more than likely quite a few guys still uncomfortable coming out. Why do people need to come out? They need to just live their lives and do what they do and if people find out then people find out, who cares. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 why did he even have to "come out" anyway, his personal life is his business, seems more like unnecessary theater to me. you're gay, whoop-de-frickin-dooo, so are millions of other Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Gun said: Why do people need to come out? They need to just live their lives and do what they do and if people find out then people find out, who cares. So for the most part that is the approach I have taken. But when you are a public figure like Nassib either you put it out there in a low key way as he has or someone sees you with your partner in a restaurant or holding hands in the park etc and breaks the story on you and suddenly the narrative of your love life is out of your own control. All he did yesterday was say I'm in control, that is what it is, I'm gay, let me get on with things. 2 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said: why did he even have to "come out" anyway, his personal life is his business, seems more like unnecessary theater to me. you're gay, whoop-de-frickin-dooo, so are millions of other Americans. And they will all have had to come out at some stage in some way and as I alluded to earlier, likely multiple times. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Big Gun said: Why do people need to come out? They need to just live their lives and do what they do and if people find out then people find out, who cares. i think inside your statement is the exact reason why he needed to come out 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 15 hours ago, Southern_Bills said: I'm happy he's comfortable enough with himself to come out. I'm not sure what it has to do with football. Nothing against him, I just think it's crazy people want people to stay out of their business and let them "live their life" yet put their business on public forum. Glad he's happy with himself though. I think it's a safe assumption that there is more than one gay player in the NFL today. 8 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said: why did he even have to "come out" anyway, his personal life is his business, seems more like unnecessary theater to me. you're gay, whoop-de-frickin-dooo, so are millions of other Americans. Why do you think he might have been hesitant to come out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 It is wild to me that in 2021 we have 1 active openly gay NFL player and 1 active openly gay NFL coach (Katie Sowers). What an antiquated league/sport/community. I keep reading, "why is it news" or "why is he talking about it". It isn't news, it is just honesty. The big news is that for the first time a gay man is being honest with the NFL. For years there have been thousands of men who have gone in and out of NFL locker rooms and never shared that their SO was another man. Never brought a date to a team dinner. Every story that I, you, we tell at work about our wife, girlfriend, date, one night stand, somebody we find attractive on social media etc. is an experience that no gay man has ever honestly talked about in an NFL locker room from September to January until now. The weight of that, even as a straight male feels very heavy. For how far we like to think we have come, this is a good reminder that we have a VERY long way to go. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 16 hours ago, Maynard said: Are you sure? Many a man got the boobies. You may be on the path to twig and berries and you don’t even know yet. Moobs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said: why did he even have to "come out" anyway, his personal life is his business, seems more like unnecessary theater to me. you're gay, whoop-de-frickin-dooo, so are millions of other Americans. Because it’s not supported in the NFL and it needs to be. Nassib is FAR from the only gay player in the NFL and they shouldn’t need to hide out of fear of being black balled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 15 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said: That's incredibly disrespectful to Jackie Robinson. Not at all. They both broke social and cultural barriers. And like Robinson, I suspect Nassib is going to have to tolerate a certain level of verbal abuse by players and fans. Also like Robinson, I can see his teammates and other fans coming to his defense when that happens. 15 hours ago, BuffAlone said: say what you want. A person is allowed and encouraged to be themselves by all means. However, In a shower room of 52 other players, that may not be accepted. Plain facts. I know girls in my school wouldn't want me showering with them. Knowing I like *****. Where do you draw the line?? What ever happened to don't kiss n tell?? jmo. Am I allowwd to say "flame away" on this?😏 Has showering always been a sexual activity for you? Really? Get your mind out of the gutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 I'm also a Raiders fan (yeah, let me have it) and he's been on the bubble to be cut for a month or two now. The Raiders are now in a tough spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said: why did he even have to "come out" anyway, his personal life is his business, seems more like unnecessary theater to me. you're gay, whoop-de-frickin-dooo, so are millions of other Americans. I'm sorry, I missed your outrage on Sunday when millions of people posted "happy Fathers' Day" messages on social media. I also missed it when the Bills community has wished Jim Kelly, Pinto Ron and Pancho Billa well wishes for their health. That was all their personal life and their business - unnecessary theater. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Just now, Pokebball said: I'm also a Raiders fan (yeah, let me have it) and he's been on the bubble to be cut for a month or two now. The Raiders are now in a tough spot. They are so sneaky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pokebball said: I'm also a Raiders fan (yeah, let me have it) and he's been on the bubble to be cut for a month or two now. The Raiders are now in a tough spot. Really? One year into a 3year deal during OTAs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Really? One year into a 3year deal during OTAs? Cutting him now is over $9m in dead money and -$4m in cap savings. Yea. He is not getting cut. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Really? One year into a 3year deal during OTAs? It's the Raiders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, BuffAlone said: say what you want. A person is allowed and encouraged to be themselves by all means. However, In a shower room of 52 other players, that may not be accepted. Plain facts. I know girls in my school wouldn't want me showering with them. Knowing I like *****. Where do you draw the line?? What ever happened to don't kiss n tell?? jmo. Am I allowwd to say "flame away" on this?😏 Why are you sexualizing a person cleaning their body? Do you get turned on when a woman takes her breast out to breast feed in public? Not every scenario involving a naked body is sexual. Edited June 22, 2021 by Wayne Cubed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) Good for him. I'm sure it isn't easy being gay in the Alpha male world of football. Those who don't think this isn't newsworthy live in their own bubble I guess. I have gay family and gay friends and just like the hue of your skin, I don't judge you on meaningless things. It's who you are as a person I care about. It is a big deal at the moment. I look forward to when it truly it doesn't matter....just like the hue of your skin. Until then, Cheers Carl! Edited June 22, 2021 by The Tomcat spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 58 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said: why did he even have to "come out" anyway, his personal life is his business, seems more like unnecessary theater to me. you're gay, whoop-de-frickin-dooo, so are millions of other Americans. 1 hour ago, Big Gun said: Why do people need to come out? They need to just live their lives and do what they do and if people find out then people find out, who cares. Why do they need to come out - who cares! Read a little bit about players that have come out after their playing career - how hard it was hiding who they were because they felt different and alone. Look up Ryan O’Callaghan and his story. He knew he was gay, but couldn’t share it with anyone - he was a football player - manly. His plan was to finish playing and then to kill himself rather than admit who he was. It took one coach taking an interest and talking to him - getting him to open up and basically tell him - he is fine and ok. Once voice changed his life and moved him from a path of darkness and suicide to finishing his career and becoming more vocal. Maybe guys like Sam, Nassib, O’Callaghan, Tuaolo, etc. become that voice for others that are struggling in the NFL or college with these thoughts. They also give voice and strength to help others outside of football get talking points to have open dialogue with others - just like we are having here. One day it will be accepted and will not need to be discussed, but it can’t get there until can engage in the dialogue without fear and we are not there yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 18 hours ago, aristocrat said: Good for him Congrats. Awesome. Way to go. I don't give a flying fk tho and don't need to know about everybody that comes out. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 52 minutes ago, DasNootz said: I'm sorry, I missed your outrage on Sunday when millions of people posted "happy Fathers' Day" messages on social media. I also missed it when the Bills community has wished Jim Kelly, Pinto Ron and Pancho Billa well wishes for their health. That was all their personal life and their business - unnecessary theater. Ahh yes, both very relatable to sexual orientation LOL. Nice try. 59 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Because it’s not supported in the NFL and it needs to be. Nassib is FAR from the only gay player in the NFL and they shouldn’t need to hide out of fear of being black balled. I respect your reply, but if we are going to treat each other with the same level of respect and acceptance as those who are not gay, I feel these types of things really don't help unite. I don't have the answer to what will, and I do hope we get there someday, but, in my opinion, this really does less help to the community. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Sure is a lotta people in this thread who “couldn’t give a ____” about this news yet decided to take the time to let everyone know how little they care instead of just moving along with their day. 🤔🤔🤔 4 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said: Ahh yes, both very relatable to sexual orientation LOL. Nice try. I respect your reply, but if we are going to treat each other with the same level of respect and acceptance as those who are not gay, I feel these types of things really don't help unite. I don't have the answer to what will, and I do hope we get there someday, but, in my opinion, this really does less help to the community. How does a gay man keeping his personal life a secret help the community or unite anything? Why do you feel "these types of things" are counter productive? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: So it's only newsworthy as long as a "qualifier" is attached to it! I know you're confused easily, but Michael Sam was never on an active NFL roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said: Ahh yes, both very relatable to sexual orientation LOL. Nice try. I respect your reply, but if we are going to treat each other with the same level of respect and acceptance as those who are not gay, I feel these types of things really don't help unite. I don't have the answer to what will, and I do hope we get there someday, but, in my opinion, this really does less help to the community. Right, and I get and respect what your saying, but if the community is negatively affected by someone coming out then that shows why we need to support those who do and more people need to come out. I always see people saying ’Why doesn’t someone straight have to announce it?’ Or Why isn’t there a straight pride parade?’ No one has ever been murdered or bullied into suicide because they were straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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