SCBills Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said: Really takes some of the joy away from the upcoming season. This is certainly not what anyone wants to be reading right now, but this is just how these negotiations work. I don’t believe anyone truly thinks the Bills are leaving Buffalo.. just a matter of how ugly it gets before the two sides inevitably come together. Edited August 1, 2021 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 For comparison, Yankee Stadium cost 1.3 billion. Taxpayers paid 450 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 minute ago, major said: That's literally straight BS They aren't relocating and they're not talking about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red hots Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) Unfortunately you cannot dismiss these things and have to take them seriously, despite all the different reports coming out from various outlets. St. Louis was about to build its second NFL stadium in 20 years and the team still left. San Antonio/Austin as much as Jerry Jones doesn't want a team there is a growing region and San Antonio has aggressively courted teams before. If they are genuine about wanting 1.5b in public money that is outrageously unreasonable. Edited August 1, 2021 by red hots 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 hours ago, aristocrat said: Miami paid for their stadium themselves The city spent almost $500 mil on their baseball stadium though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, red hots said: Unfortunately you cannot dismiss these things and have to take them seriously, despite all the different reports coming out from various outlets. St. Louis was about to build its second NFL stadium in 20 years and the team still left. San Antonio/Austin as much as Jerry Jones doesn't want a team there is a growing region and San Antonio has aggressively courted teams before. If they are genuine about wanting 1.5b in public money that is outrageously unreasonable. Don't forget the Pegulas hired Jerry Jones' firm to handle stadium negotiations. Austin? I believe Toronto before there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: If getting $1.5B in tax payer dollars after a pandemic where people lost their entire livelihoods, family, friends, children, etc. is important enough to the Pegulas to pick up an take the Bills out of Buffalo. They’re welcome to leave. I understand this is the start of a negotiation. But I can’t get behind billionaires asking for billions in a billion dollar industry so that they can keep making billions, while still in the thwarts of a pandemic. Meanwhile some are still struggling to get by and ultimately he’s asking for their tax dollars to keep money in his pocket. 6 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mango said: If getting $1.5B in tax payer dollars after a pandemic where people lost their entire livelihoods, family, friends, children, etc. is important enough to the Pegulas to pick up an take the Bills out of Buffalo. They’re welcome to leave. I understand this is the start of a negotiation. But I can’t get behind billionaires asking for billions in a billion dollar industry so that they can keep making billions, while still in the thwarts of a pandemic. Meanwhile some are still struggling to get by and ultimately he’s asking for their tax dollars to keep money in his pocket. This entire pandemic has resulted in a massive shift of money/real estate/equity from the middle class to the billionaire class… I can’t get too worked up about this. At least in this scenario, we get a new football stadium. Edited August 1, 2021 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: Oh, well, now they're just making stuff up. I live in Austin and the... desire for an NFL team is low. The massive stadium that would be required would need to go somewhere outside the city and the traffic problems down here are already bad and difficult to solve. There's only a light commuter rail that is next to useless for public transportation and the parking for it wouldn't support extending it out to some fictional stadium (not to mention they worked around a lot of eminent domain issues so the route sucks and has frequent stops for road traffic). That's before you get into the culture, that there are many other venues (so revenue from other events would probably be low) and that the Longhorns dominate the city... yeah. If they said San Antonio, it might be believable. In fact, these 'leaks' are so laughably without context that I would not be surprised if they are straight from Jerry Jones. Edited August 1, 2021 by jeremy2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 i still don’t get the need for a new stadium in OP that does not have a dome. why the need??!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red hots Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Just now, jeremy2020 said: Oh, well, now they're just making stuff up. I live in Austin and the... desire for an NFL team is low. The massive stadium that would be required would need to go somewhere outside the city and the traffic problems down here are already bad and difficult to solve. There's only a light commuter rail that is next to useless for public transportation and the parking for it wouldn't support extending it out to some fictional stadium (not to mention they worked around a lot of eminent domain issues so the route sucks and has frequent stops for road traffic). That's before you get into the culture, that there are many other venues (so revenue from other events would probably be low) and that the Longhorns dominate the city... yeah. If they said San Antonio, it might be believable. You'll know better than me, but Austin comes across as a new money transient place full of people from other cities already rooting for other teams. And the Longhorns are so entrenched as well. I'm guessing theres a ton of Cowboys fans there historically if you're asking locals to pick an NFL team. Texans I have no inkling about as they're a younger and less successful team. Seems like a mini LA demographically to me and we know how the Chargers move especially to a place that doesn't want them has worked out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: i still don’t get the need for a new stadium in OP that does not have a dome. why the need??!? Pressure from the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: good question. Not sure. several owners would feel “betrayed” I figure. The Mara’s being one of them. Mara was the owner who hinted that Pegula gave the other owners assurances that the stadium issue would be address. mara made it sound it was this assurance that led the owners to give pegula the team and not explore other bids. why do others want a new stadium? how does a new stadium, on it’s own, increase revenue? Just now, SCBills said: Pressure from the NFL. thanks, I get that, I don’t get the pressure part. more boxes? just put more in Ralph?’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: This entire pandemic has resulted in accelerating a massive shift of money/real estate/equity from the middle class to the billionaire class… I can’t get too worked up about this. At least in this scenario, we get a new football stadium. updated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Surprised Bills PR hasn’t been all over a response yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) Nobody should be worried about this. It’s a tactic threat and nothing more. Highly doubt Pegula would go back on his word about Keeping the team in Buffalo. That’s one of the main reasons he bought the damn franchise, to keep it out of Bon Jovi’s and the Toronto backers hands. He’s not moving the Bills because in order to do that he would have to give up his dream in the Sabre’s and that’s not happening. It’s gonna come down to being 50/50. I’ll put money on this that the Bills stay in Buffalo Edited August 1, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said: I do not want the Bills to move. If they do, the Austin/San Antonio I-35 corridor is personally a great option as I spend half the football season in Texas. There has been talk of a baseball stadium between the 2 cities but have not heard of a football stadium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Gotta pay or someone will. Who knows what an agreeable number would look like at this point. It def will take some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, major said: One of my favorite actors of all time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: I do not want the Bills to move. If they do, the Austin/San Antonio I-35 corridor is personally a great option as I spend half the football season in Texas. There has been talk of a baseball stadium between the 2 cities but have not heard of a football stadium. They aren't moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said: I do not want the Bills to move. If they do, the Austin/San Antonio I-35 corridor is personally a great option as I spend half the football season in Texas. There has been talk of a baseball stadium between the 2 cities but have not heard of a football stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red hots Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Also whos to say Jerry Jones isn't actually for this either? Sooner or later a team is going to be in that region whether a team relocates there or an expansion team appears. Might as well get it done in a way that suits him getting a slice of the concessions and catering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 This is what happens when the Pegula’s see how Bills Mafia mounts up and donate to charities 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 To the Pegulas if the team is ever moved out of Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: I do not want the Bills to move. If they do, the Austin/San Antonio I-35 corridor is personally a great option as I spend half the football season in Texas. There has been talk of a baseball stadium between the 2 cities but have not heard of a football stadium. Judas Priest dude the Bills aren’t going anywhere. They’re staying in Buffalo, everyone on this board needs to calm down and relax. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Oh NFL overlords, blackmail, higher taxes and tens of thousands to by paid in new PSL's, you treat us too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: To the Pegulas if the team is ever moved out of Buffalo. It’s not going to happen, the pr move would be a nightmare for them and Terry would have to give up the Sabres something he will never do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Also just so everyone knows Pro Football Talk loves to stir up move rumors when it comes to any team but esp the Bills. Throughout their history this is what Florio has done at any sign of stadium discussion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mango said: If getting $1.5B in tax payer dollars after a pandemic where people lost their entire livelihoods, family, friends, children, etc. is important enough to the Pegulas to pick up an take the Bills out of Buffalo. They’re welcome to leave. I understand this is the start of a negotiation. But I can’t get behind billionaires asking for billions in a billion dollar industry so that they can keep making billions, while still in the thwarts of a pandemic. Meanwhile some are still struggling to get by and ultimately he’s asking for their tax dollars to keep money in his pocket. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Not going to happen. Kim would threaten to divorce Terry. Terry's response would be: Happy Wife, Happy Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 The thought of them moving makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know what I'd do. It sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 New York is such a crooked and shady state.. I need more than this one article to get worried. I think it’s extremely smart to begin negotiations this way. I haven’t browsed too many numbers and I’m certainly not a know it all about this stuff but I’d like to think if they can get 500-600 million funded the stadium will be a go and they can make it work. You got to make the threats and show other cities will pony up though. It’s the price you gotta pay to be small market and have a team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: The thought of them moving makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know what I'd do. It sucks It’s 99% unlikely to happen, but I’ll be honest… this report just drained me of all my excitement for the upcoming season. Im sure my excitement will return, and I’m sure some clarifications on the story will come out as the season comes closer, but what a kick in the d**k story to read today. Even worse is all the pot stirring from sports outlets like PFT. Edited August 1, 2021 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: The city spent almost $500 mil on their baseball stadium though Do we have a baseball team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: The thought of them moving makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know what I'd do. It sucks I know what I would do. I would turn my back and walk away, just like I did when the Braves left Buffalo. I barely even watch the NBA until the Finals. Having said that, I don’t see them going anywhere so I’m not losing any sleep over it. A compromise will be reached that will cause a certain amount of angst on both sides. That’s usually the outcome of a fair deal. . Edited August 1, 2021 by Augie 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: The thought of them moving makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know what I'd do. It sucks I get it... But it's a negotiating tactic... I was wondering how this was going to work. NY is broke, and we are still in the middle of a pandemic. How can the "guy who saved the Bills" get public money? If you're stance is that you'll never move the team then there is no pressure on the state. What's the difference then? Pegula: we want a billion dollars NY: no Edited August 1, 2021 by TheFunPolice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 If the Bills ever relocate that would be it for me, I would be done with football outside of maybe watching the superbowl. As a side note, the city of St. Louis is currently wondering why a potential relocation would be to Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Also, the thought of the Bills moving is crack to Florio... Someone in WNY must have read broken his heart in the past... I wouldn't put much stock in his tweets on this 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mango said: If getting $1.5B in tax payer dollars after a pandemic where people lost their entire livelihoods, family, friends, children, etc. is important enough to the Pegulas to pick up an take the Bills out of Buffalo. They’re welcome to leave. I understand this is the start of a negotiation. But I can’t get behind billionaires asking for billions in a billion dollar industry so that they can keep making billions, while still in the thwarts of a pandemic. Meanwhile some are still struggling to get by and ultimately he’s asking for their tax dollars to keep money in his pocket. That’s pretty much how I see it myself. I appreciate that the Pegulas bought the Bills and built a marvelous new training center and hired a GM and coach who seem to have turned the thing around. But they are multi-billionaires with mansions and a yacht. If they need $1.54 billion of taxpayer money as the price of keeping the team in Buffalo , Nuts. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: As someone who moved down south, my worry isn’t really with the Pegulas - as trash as this report makes them sound - it’s just the typical start of stadium negotiations… I do worry about the city/state. I suppose looking at the Mets/Yankees stadiums could be a blueprint, but what - if any - implications could y’all potentially electing a socialist mayor have? Doesn’t matter who the mayor is. They are kicking in nothing. The city of Buffalo is in no position to help in any way, shape or form. Edited August 1, 2021 by BTB 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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