RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Anyone who has been on this site since the 1990s has to remember the times when it seemed every other Bills draft pick was a DB. The sainted Bill from NYC never failed to complain about that, and argued winning teams build from the lines. The consensus on here was the fixation on DBs was a big reason for the team's struggles. Fast forward a couple of decades and there is hand-wringing about the failure to draft a legit Cornerback high enough. Is this a problem? I have no idea. But I hope I'm not the only one who has enjoyed the historical ironies. Go Bills! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Two things. I still think Jackson is going to be a good CB. Also improving the pass rush will make the CBs all that much better. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) If we sign a veteran it's no problem. As while I like what Dane didn't in his limited playing time I'd feel better with a vet in the mix even if meant bringing Norman back. I also thought Blidi Wreh-Wilson be a solid add as plays inside/outside and ST. Edited May 3, 2021 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 No Problem still plenty of good players to compete with Levi and provide depth. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback/available/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 McDermott clearly values the #2 CB spot way less than we do on here. I still think we being in a vet. Sherman is a clear fit for this defense. But wouldn't be surprised at all to see us go with what we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I bet they pick up a vet in the 1-3 mil range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 39 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If we sign a veteran it's no problem. As while I like what Dane didn't in his limited playing time I'd feel better with a vet in the mix even if meant bringing Norman back. I also thought Blidi Wreh-Wilson be a solid add as plays inside/outside and ST. ANYbody but Norman......please! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Kwai San said: ANYbody but Norman......please! If Norman's not making $6 million a season he a solid add. I don't see an interest in Sherman though as can't see fitting in our culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If Norman's not making $6 million a season he a solid add. I don't see an interest in Sherman though as can't see fitting in our culture. I agree on Sherman....not a culture fit plus he has lost a step or two, precisely my issue with Norman also. The young wideouts aren't getting slower!!! I am hoping that with the return of Star, the return to health of Edmunds and Milano that our CB issues will be somewhat minimized. Also Dane Jackson looks like he could be the real deal......lotta hoping I know. But I just don't see Covid Norman and Slow Sherman as the answers at all.... Edited May 3, 2021 by Kwai San Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If Norman's not making $6 million a season he a solid add. I don't see an interest in Sherman though as can't see fitting in our culture. I think I missed something, what did Sherman do to indicate he's a bad culture fit? 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I'm very confident that Beane will find one or two veteran free agent finds this summer in the low-to-mid $ range to help address the depth gap. Not a worry right now, but I think they'll know more after they see what they have in mini-camp, i.e. if the rookies can play this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I was high on Greg Newsome as possibly the best zone corner in the draft. If cleveland hadn't taken him I believe he would have been in the discussion at 30. I think that the coaching staff believes that Dane Jackson can compete for the #2 job this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I wouldn't be surprised if we sign EJ Gaines again for the millionth time. He played extremely well for us but sadly gets hurt way too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 NOW we're worried about commas.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pags24 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I'm going with....No problem. Love Dane Jackson and I like Levi too. Wouldn't mind picking up EJ Gaines either, injury prone but a very good player when healthy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 seconds seems to be a key number. If a QB holds the ball longer than 3 seconds, the chance for a negative play increases. QB rhythms and WR routes are designed to be completed in under 3 seconds. How do you get the QB to hold onto the ball a split second longer? Coverage. If your secondary can get the opposing QB to hold onto the ball half a second longer, our front 7 has a better chance at getting a sack or causing a negative play by the offense. Having a good CB2 will also help our safeties since they wouldn't have to worry about drifting coverage that way. Beane and McDermott don't seem to see things this way. They make the decisions. So we'll see how this season goes. I will support them and the team even though I happen to disagree here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I think they're going to give the young and cheap Dane every chance to win the CB2 job. If that doesn't work, one more year of the Levi project. I think he's become the veteran backup, in a cap reduced world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 hours ago, 17islongenough said: Two things. I still think Jackson is going to be a good CB. Also improving the pass rush will make the CBs all that much better. This right here. I'm convinced the staff is extremely high on Dane Jackson. He looked great in limited time last year. I think he's the favorite for CB2 heading into camp and I love that we re signed Levi. An UDFA rookie, cheap option that can hold his own . Wildgoose is an intriguing prospect as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Levi Wallace is much better than he is given credit for. Each year competition is brought in and each year he ends up being the starter. I don't think skipping cb was done on purpose but was more due to following their board. I echo the idea that Dane Jackson looks like a player. As I have said elsewhere McD is amazing with late round cbs. Josh Norman was incredible with him (5th rounder), Bene Benwikere and Tre Boston were serviceable as 4th and 5th rounders, Siran Neal and Taron Johnson are also 4th and 5th rounders. Further there are still a ton of veteran options available. I vote no problem. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: If Norman's not making $6 million a season he a solid add. I don't see an interest in Sherman though as can't see fitting in our culture. How is Sherman not a culture fit? He’s never been accused of not working hard or being prepared to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I see Sherman fitting right in. Like a perfect fit really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm of Harm Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: I think I missed something, what did Sherman do to indicate he's a bad culture fit? Why is Sherman a bad cultural fit? Any time a guy turns himself into a WWII era tank, that's a bad fit. Sets a bad example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: If Norman's not making $6 million a season he a solid add. I don't see an interest in Sherman though as can't see fitting in our culture. I certainly don’t know if he’s a fit or not. Curious why you think he’d be an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm of Harm Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 hours ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said: Fast forward a couple of decades and there is hand-wringing about the failure to draft a legit Cornerback high enough. Is this a problem? Any time you try to catch a CB in the draft, you can often be led on a Wildgoose chase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said: Why is Sherman a bad cultural fit? Any time a guy turns himself into a WWII era tank, that's a bad fit. Sets a bad example. While your answer is cute, I don't think it's the actual reason. From everything I've seen, Sherman seems like a pretty good dude, and he's probably one of the smartest corners ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I don't see CB as a problem. I like the young guys we have in Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis. Wildgoose looks like he fits the mold on defense. Levi will be used more in rotation imo, as I think Dane will be the starter, and serve as solid depth. Johnson isn't bad in the slot. The main thing is getting pressure on the QB. You get pressure on the QB and it makes ALL of your DB's look better. I expect Epenesa to take a step forward with a full offseason in the strength and conditioning program as well as being involved in workouts. I hope Rousseau comes in and gets to work. I have REALLY high expectations for Basham. If Rousseau turns out to be a hit then this front is going to be scary. Addison is more here for being the solid vet depth at this point. But if Hughes, Epenesa, Rousseau, and Basham are constantly being rotated with all of them getting after it? Whew. Our DB's are gonna be out there making all kinds of plays because the opposing team's QB will be under constant duress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishRifle Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Boxcar said: I think I missed something, what did Sherman do to indicate he's a bad culture fit? I’ll take a stab at this as no one else has yet. Richard Sherman is extremely outspoken on a variety of issues in the league and in life. I think it’s a turn off for some that he comments so much on everything and draws unnecessary attention to himself. Most importantly, he almost killed Dan Carpenter! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Think they may be good with what they got. Pass rush improves then so does the CB's. Unless they add after cuts. 4 hours ago, 17islongenough said: Two things. I still think Jackson is going to be a good CB. Also improving the pass rush will make the CBs all that much better. This. Yes looking forward to seeing more of him. Impressive rookie past season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 4 hours ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said: Anyone who has been on this site since the 1990s has to remember the times when it seemed every other Bills draft pick was a DB. The sainted Bill from NYC never failed to complain about that, and argued winning teams build from the lines. The consensus on here was the fixation on DBs was a big reason for the team's struggles. Fast forward a couple of decades and there is hand-wringing about the failure to draft a legit Cornerback high enough. Is this a problem? I have no idea. But I hope I'm not the only one who has enjoyed the historical ironies. Go Bills! Times have changed. We were drafting all of these DBs even before the rule changes made the NFL primarily a passing league. Now, corners are of more value and better athletes are playing this position. I readily acknowledge this. That said, the success of the Buffalo Bills Franchise hinges on Josh Allen. This would seem to be beyond dispute. We need to protect him and give him weapons. We drafted 3 blockers this year and it was a smart move imo. Other than Dawkins, how many of our blockers deserve big contracts? Some will need to be replaced (at some point) and the guys we drafted will not cost much. If any of them are good, they are a "steal" of sorts. Also fwiw, imo this was a draft that was loaded with blockers. In a normal draft all 3 would have been selected sooner. As for our first pick, have you watched him on you tube? The kid has the perfect build (long, strong arms) to be a pass rusher, and he is fast. People on this board who are Miami Fans love this pick, therefore so do I. One last point if I may.....Levi Wallace is a good player. Calvin Ridley practiced against him and said that he was a solid corner. Tre might be the best corner in the NFL. If not, he is top 5 and they are both young. Our secondary doesn't seem to be much of a problem so I am not so worried. As always, jmo. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 People sleeping on Levi. Besides a couple bad games where he got picked on, he's been very solid. That pick against Ben to seal the win was clutch. He isn't ideal, but it could be much much worse. He was a UDFA from what I believe also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 No problem. I'd like some more depth there, but it will come from free agency or guys they've already signed. It would be nice to have a stud on the other side, but few teams do. What the Bills have is serviceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I’m in the Steve Nelson camp. Sherman loves our culture & team I’ve seen a couple of times of him speaking glowingly about the Bills. He’d run here to play in Buffalo. He’s smart & experienced but not sure he has the physical abilities anymore. A 4 or 5 million 1 year deal for Sherman would be fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I think a good option will be available as teams start to trim their roster. I also feel the same about TE. We’re not done at those two positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I think they're gonna roll with what worked last year and see if it truly is a position that needs to be upgraded. They love Dane and Levi has proved to be serviceable so why invest a high pick if you have faith in Dane taking a big step. If he doesn't then next year they'll know for sure and draft accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Vontae Davis is only 32, maybe he can unretire at halftime if things aren't going good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Boxcar said: I think I missed something, what did Sherman do to indicate he's a bad culture fit? Probably because he’s a Stanford grad. He’s probably too snooty for us in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 5 hours ago, AmishRifle said: I’ll take a stab at this as no one else has yet. Richard Sherman is extremely outspoken on a variety of issues in the league and in life. I think it’s a turn off for some that he comments so much on everything and draws unnecessary attention to himself. Most importantly, he almost killed Dan Carpenter! You mean like Diggs when he was a Viking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, AmishRifle said: I’ll take a stab at this as no one else has yet. Richard Sherman is extremely outspoken on a variety of issues in the league and in life. I think it’s a turn off for some that he comments so much on everything and draws unnecessary attention to himself. Most importantly, he almost killed Dan Carpenter! I think it's a bit more than that, personally. I think he was a bit of a locker room problem for Carroll later in his stay in Seattle. He seemed to think that he and the defensive corps had the right to do anything, including directly and publicly criticize and obstruct Carroll and Russell Wilson. He went on publicly about how Carroll was treating Wilson differently, how Carroll should have given the ball to Marshawn, and so on. And he crystallized a lot of the D guys together into almost an anti-Carroll block. Of course your starting elite QB is going to be treated a bit differently. That's why they have red jerseys. Those guys, top franchise QBs are absolutely different. Sherman didn't get that. While the salary cap also had a lot to do with the breakup of that team, the obstruction Carroll experienced from that D also had a part in it. Having said that, since then he's been no problem. Looks to me like he grew up after that. You can disagree with your coach, but you keep it in-house, you talk privately with him, and you understand that he outranks you. From what I can tell, he's learned that lesson. But there was a while when he appeared to be directly causing locker room problems. At this point in his career, I wouldn't mind him at all. But he won't be a vet min type guy and I'm not sure it would be enough of an upgrade for them to bring him in. If they think so, I'll yield to their expertise. What they've got appears to be a solid group. And I'd fully expect them to bring in a couple more guys for competition. IMO, no problem. Edited May 4, 2021 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I’m okay with either Sherman or Gaines. I can’t get past Norman getting destroyed by Derrick Henry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I would have liked to see Buffalo pick up a solid starting caliber CB in the draft, but the sky is not falling. With more pressure from the defensive line, Levi Wallace's lack of strength and premier athleticism becomes less of a liability. He is an excellent technician and does pretty well with what he has. Dane Jackson's upside is promising. He's feisty and has a little more to offer athletically. The UDFA's Buffalo signed also have potential to be more than the typical UDFA scrubs. Nick McCloud is a physical corner with sub 4.4 speed and Olaijah Griffin reportedly has outstanding ball skills and instincts. The negative on Griffin has some of the same drawbacks as Wallace. He's underweight and not that fast. In addition, he's had something of an injury history. Still, he's on Gil Brandt's short list of top UDFA candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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