RD 1, Pick 30: Greg Rousseau, Edge (Miami) Public Poll Added

[FLFan]

Just a random thought:  the best thing about the Bills selecting Rousseau is that he is not Travis Etienne.  

[Jon in Pasadena]

17 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Now Believe in the Bills and go out there and reek havoc 

 

Wouldn't that mean he stinks?

[Don Otreply]

16 minutes ago, par73 said:

My point, simply, is the guy is a project (he was a WR not that long ago). I also did not criticize him for opting out-- just stating that he only played one year (maybe another year would have helped his development).

If you check any draft analysis of him, you will actually see some negatives-- limited pass rush moves, strength, bad pro day. If not for negatives, he would have been long gone by the time the Bills. picked. And Maybin was not mentioned as a physical comparison-- just "bust potential"-- although Rousseau was taken much later.

I hope the guy works out (I personally wanted someone who could help in 2021-- a DB?, maybe a WR?).

He is exactly the selection for the future that Beane said he was going to be drafting in his pre-draft interview, why all this angst and drama about what we were all told in advance that we would be selecting??? We all knew this was the type of pick he was going for...,

[Warcodered]

 

[klos63]

7 hours ago, Demongyz said:

I don't know much about this dude, but from watching that FSU game video posted above, I'm reminded of Aaron Maybin.  This fellow looks too skinny to play Dline.  I don't know anything though, so I hope McBean are right on this pick.

I'm guessing he's not too skinny, else he wouldn't have been drafted as a Dlineman.

[par73]

9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

He is exactly the selection for the future that Beane said he was going to be drafting in his pre-draft interview, why all this angst and drama about what we were all told in advance that we would be selecting??? We all knew this was the type of pick he was going for...,

SB window can close quickly. I would like to see a 1st rounder who would have an immediate impact. 

[Ralonzo]

23 minutes ago, Jon in Pasadena said:

 

Wouldn't that mean he stinks?

the old Bruce Smith garlic trick!

[Codycolo12]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704?i=1000515378029 
listen from 1:19:52 - 1:22:52. Simms evaluation really puts in perspective why I’m not sold. Mabe someone can help me on why Simms is wrong with his evaluation. We don’t have a starting defensive end that can get to the qb, and I don’t think he’s the guy. 

[Codycolo12]

Mario Addison was ranked 61st and Hughes 69th in sacks last year. That’s not even a starter IMO. There’s only 64 starters and there both in back half or second string category. Hughes also  plays a lot of the snaps. If a first round pick can’t beat out one of those guys then what’s he here for? 

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, Codycolo12 said:

Mario Addison was ranked 61st and Hughes 69th in sacks last year. That’s not even a starter IMO. There’s only 64 starters and there both in back half or second string category. Hughes also  plays a lot of the snaps. If a first round pick can’t beat out one of those guys then what’s he here for? 

You can tell the people that never seen the Bills draft this late.

[NoSaint]

19 minutes ago, Codycolo12 said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704?i=1000515378029 
listen from 1:19:52 - 1:22:52. Simms evaluation really puts in perspective why I’m not sold. Mabe someone can help me on why Simms is wrong with his evaluation. We don’t have a starting defensive end that can get to the qb, and I don’t think he’s the guy. 

counterpoint: he could be the guy and there weren’t many ways to add a slam dunk there. 

[Brennan Huff]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

#50 Love it!!

 

Is that official?

[Shaw66]

32 minutes ago, par73 said:

SB window can close quickly. I would like to see a 1st rounder who would have an immediate impact. 

Nobody drafted at 30 can be expected to have an immediate impact.   You MIGHT find a day one starter, but even that is unlikely.  Not an edge, not a running back, not a receiver, not a defensive back.  Yes, a guy who plays more is more valuable than a guy who plays less in his rookie year, but the difference just isn't that big.

[wppete]

4 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Is that official?

 

 

[Doc]

28 minutes ago, Codycolo12 said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704?i=1000515378029 
listen from 1:19:52 - 1:22:52. Simms evaluation really puts in perspective why I’m not sold. Mabe someone can help me on why Simms is wrong with his evaluation. We don’t have a starting defensive end that can get to the qb, and I don’t think he’s the guy. 

 

Simms can have an opinion/assessment, but he isn't infallible. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

The only problem is Rousseau seems attached to the number 5 for some reason. His Twitter handle is Greg_R5 and his college number was 15.

I'm not sure what the new rules allow with regard to DL flexibility, but I sort of thought he might try to get 15 here, as well, or maybe just 5, which obviously would have looked weird. Maybe not quite as weird as 50, though.

Hmmm....

ive never understood fans getting hung up on how numbers look though 

2 hours ago, Logic said:

The only problem is Rousseau seems attached to the number 5 for some reason. His Twitter handle is Greg_R5 and his college number was 15.

I'm not sure what the new rules allow with regard to DL flexibility, but I sort of thought he might try to get 15 here, as well, or maybe just 5, which obviously would have looked weird. Maybe not quite as weird as 50, though.

Hmmm....

ive never understood fans getting hung up on how numbers look though 

[MAJBobby]

5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

I love the pick because the dude has the gifts and once he gains some experience and good coaching he will be a stud.  Book it just like i said we should missed the boat bigly not drafting Metcalf on the night of the draft after it happened and we took Ford.

What did any of those high priced signing do in that title game?  any big time plays that changed the game?   Addison is overpaid at his age and what he brings.  IMO

They sure did. They were part of a 13 win TEAM 

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

Theres no reason to think @MAJBobbyhas anything more important 

The issues were in his change of direction. Which doesn’t show up on tape. I think it likely has to do with his workout regimen and weight he put on during his opt out year. Get him in Bills Strength and Conditioning and I think that stiffness goes away. @DrPJax

Edited April 30, 2021 by MAJBobby

[whatdrought]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

The only problem is Rousseau seems attached to the number 5 for some reason. His Twitter handle is Greg_R5 and his college number was 15.

I'm not sure what the new rules allow with regard to DL flexibility, but I sort of thought he might try to get 15 here, as well, or maybe just 5, which obviously would have looked weird. Maybe not quite as weird as 50, though.

Hmmm....

This confirms to me that 95 is unofficially retired. 

[Don Otreply]

22 minutes ago, par73 said:

SB window can close quickly. I would like to see a 1st rounder who would have an immediate impact. 

Two things;

 

1) Who would that be at pick thirty? With all other organizational considerations accounted for?

 

2) The FO in Buffalo is not interested in the slightest in being a team with a short term window, would have thought folks would have figured that out by now. 

[Shaw66]

35 minutes ago, Codycolo12 said:

Mario Addison was ranked 61st and Hughes 69th in sacks last year. That’s not even a starter IMO. There’s only 64 starters and there both in back half or second string category. Hughes also  plays a lot of the snaps. If a first round pick can’t beat out one of those guys then what’s he here for? 

I don't get a lot of this.  I mean, the Bills pass rush wasn't good enough last season, but please, a little objectivity.  First, Hughes played 64% of the snaps, which is less than the starters on all the teams that don't platoon seriously.  So, there's that.  

 

Then there's the fact that Hughes was at or near the top of the league in QB pressures, which is the more important stat.  

 

Next, it's very obvious that rookies don't start game one in Buffalo.  Edmunds is the exception.  The Bills expect a lot of their players, and rookies rarely master enough, especially on the defense, to start early in their rookie year.  Addison and Hughes have knowledge about the game and knowledge about their assignments in the Frazier-McD defense that no rookie will have.  

 

If Rousseau turns out to be an ordinary first round pick for the Bills, he'll gradually increased snaps over the course of the year, a lot like Epenesa.  If he actually takes the starting job from one of the vets, then the pick is a homerun.

[Scorp83]

16 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I don’t see him growing 2 inches at age 21. Typically when I see players have growth spurts in the NBA they are around 19 or 20. 

Have you not seen Derrick Henry?  Frickin Man Child! He was 6'2 238lbs when he got drafted... he's 6'4 248lbs now... 

Some dudes are just big & keeps getting bigger by 24yr

Edited May 1, 2021 by Scorp83
Typo

[JohninMinn.]

Cones and 30" vertical 🤔

[foreboding]

Great pick. Seems the kid is also very smart, driven and loved by his former coaches and teammates. 

[CaptnCoke11]

25 minutes ago, JohninMinn. said:

Cones and 30" vertical 🤔

A lot of his testing was right on with JPP.. non news worthy 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

How about a cautiously optimistic option in the poll.

 

 

[TwistofFate]

He reminds me of a young Jason Taylor, will he become that?  Hopefully.

[Búfalo Blanco]

I never watched Rousseau in college. But based on a few opinions I've heard on this board and with the media, I'm intrigued.

 

Watching his highlights and now understanding his reach, stripping/batting abilities, nose for the QB, etc. what else could Beane have done in terms of need (besides possibly trading down) at 30? A DE prospect that can play inside as well? If this kid proves he can progress in the NFL and our coaches succeed with teaching him, he has a ton of potential.

 

I'm all in with this franchise and their current drafting abilities. They started a small run on DEs at the end of the 1st, which makes me wonder. I have a feeling this was the best pick in that moment. We'll see...

[3rdand12]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

How about a cautiously optimistic option in the poll.

 

 

Agreed.
we need at least 4 more options in this poll SDS
perhaps six.
Mark me on the + side with cautiously optimistic ^ with a side of hopeful , slathered in trust

24 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

I never watched Rousseau in college. But based on a few opinions I've heard on this board and with the media, I'm intrigued.

 

Watching his highlights and now understanding his reach, stripping/batting abilities, nose for the QB, etc. what else could Beane have done in terms of need (besides possibly trading down) at 30? A DE prospect that can play inside as well? If this kid proves he can progress in the NFL and our coaches succeed with teaching him, he has a ton of potential.

 

I'm all in with this franchise and their current drafting abilities. They started a small run on DEs at the end of the 1st, which makes me wonder. I have a feeling this was the best pick in that moment. We'll see...

I would have picked him at 30 over the 3 or 4 prospects he was measured against.
Looks the the smart move by Beane. He trusts his Defensive Coaching staff to develop this kid. Perhaps we should too ?
 

[Búfalo Blanco]

5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I would have picked him at 30 over the 3 or 4 prospects he was measured against.
Looks the the smart move by Beane. He trusts his Defensive Coaching staff to develop this kid. Perhaps we should too ?
 

If that's a question to me, I'll repeat what I said: I'm all in with this franchise and their current drafting abilities.

 

And now, with Rousseau AND Basham? Wow...

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

If that's a question to me, I'll repeat what I said: I'm all in with this franchise and their current drafting abilities.

 

And now, with Rousseau AND Basham? Wow...

For the General Population my friend.

 And why I responded.

I agree

[Codycolo12]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't get a lot of this.  I mean, the Bills pass rush wasn't good enough last season, but please, a little objectivity.  First, Hughes played 64% of the snaps, which is less than the starters on all the teams that don't platoon seriously.  So, there's that.  

 

Then there's the fact that Hughes was at or near the top of the league in QB pressures, which is the more important stat.  

 

Next, it's very obvious that rookies don't start game one in Buffalo.  Edmunds is the exception.  The Bills expect a lot of their players, and rookies rarely master enough, especially on the defense, to start early in their rookie year.  Addison and Hughes have knowledge about the game and knowledge about their assignments in the Frazier-McD defense that no rookie will have.  

 

If Rousseau turns out to be an ordinary first round pick for the Bills, he'll gradually increased snaps over the course of the year, a lot like Epenesa.  If he actually takes the starting job from one of the vets, then the pick is a homerun.

Ok so we have basham now. So do you believe that Hughes Addison or Epenesa is gone? Does this mean Epenesa wasn’t a good pick? Or is Addison who took a pay cut to stay gone? Mabe Hughes isn’t that good anymore? But you can’t keep all of them. Number one paid d line in football and can’t stop the run or get to the qb. Name something elite that this pass rush has done? Name something that says number one paid d line in football?  If you are paying a d line that much I would like to be in the top 16 not the bottom 16! Not even top 10 in a category. 

[Shaw66]

6 minutes ago, Codycolo12 said:

Ok so we have basham now. So do you believe that Hughes Addison or Epenesa is gone? Does this mean Epenesa wasn’t a good pick? Or is Addison who took a pay cut to stay gone? Mabe Hughes isn’t that good anymore? But you can’t keep all of them. Number one paid d line in football and can’t stop the run or get to the qb. Name something elite that this pass rush has done? Name something that says number one paid d line in football?  If you are paying a d line that much I would like to be in the top 16 not the bottom 16! Not even top 10 in a category. 

My, my.  What got you all excited?   All I said was that you were badly understating the quality of Hughes and Addison.  But since you asked:

 

Epenesa is definitely not gone.  Hughes or Addison might be.  Or they might all stay.  They play four DEs, and they might carry five.  And there may be plans to play one or another at DT.   I don't know. 

 

Beane drafts BPA; this wasn't a plan that they had.   They liked both of them, both guys were certainly the BPA on their board when they picked.   I'm sure Beane and McDermott talked today, before they made the pick and probably this afternoon when Beane was stufy possible scenarios.   Beane asked McD whether he would be okay if Basham was the pick, and McD said yes.   If you ask them tonight what they're going to do, they'll say they don't know, but they like competition and they'll figure it out.  

 

There's just no reason to be all hot about it.  Bills D line underperformed last season, and Beane is going to do something about it.  What's not to like about that?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

Have you not seen Derrick Henry?  Frickin Man Child! He was 6'2 238lbs when he got drafted... he's 6'4 248lbs now... 

Some dudes are just big & keeps getting bigger by 24yr

Derrick Henry was listed at 6 foot 3 when coming out the draft and he is still listed at 6 foot 3. It isn’t impossible a guy can grow an inch at age 21 or 22 just not very likely. The players to do so in the NBA were usually 19 or 20.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Brother Bill is excited:

 

 

 

[OldBuffalo]

The guy seems fabulous.

[Richard Noggin]

On 4/30/2021 at 12:23 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

Ironically, on the play cited here as evidence of Rousseau's underrated ability to "bend around the edge to get sacks," he doesn't really bend AT ALL. He is objectively, comically upright, in fact, given the claim this example is meant to illustrate. Rousseau beats the RT to the outside, sure. But not with any dip or bend, as advertised. 

 

No clue if that's a trend in his "tape," or just a poorly chosen clip. 

 

Does Rousseau have the get-off, body control, and ankle flex to bend the edge? I hope so. Would love to see footage that says so.

[Boxcar]

4 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 

This looks like a Photoshop.

[just1hugheser]

On 4/29/2021 at 11:52 PM, whorlnut said:

Hate it

 

 

Out of curosity who would you have taken that was still on the board?

[gr8billsfan]

Is it just me but watching his highlights, he looks awkward getting off the line?