FireChans Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Honestly, it's kind of shocking how much worse his defensive acquisitions have been compared to Sean. Who are our best defenders currently on the roster? Poyer Hyde Tre Milano Jerry Do you notice something? 4 of those players were acquired by McD without the McBeane. Jerry was obviously already here. Compare it to the list of hacks that Beane has acquired. I'd type out all the bums and disappointments but it'd take too long. All I know is if you eliminate the 2017 fellas, our defense would be the worst in the NFL. If you eliminate Beane's JAG brigade, eh, we'd be okay. Is it time for McD to make the picks again? Beane got the QB, let's thank him for his service and let's put the King of William and Mary back in the Kirk chair. 3 11 11 1 1 1 2 2 3 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 The D has been carrying the team for the past few years, prior only to last year. I was sad to see the D regress a little last year but they can’t be a top 5 unit every year. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) What happened did your ST's thread not do so well? Lets see what happens this year. The defense stepped up when it needed in the second half and playoffs for the most part. I think the first half of the year was some pains with no offseason. It became one of the best second half defenses in the league. Edited April 15, 2021 by TBBills 3 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI Bills Fan Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) Given how close Beane and McDermott work, I'm not sure any defensive players would be recruited by Beane without the seal of approval from McDermott. Edited April 15, 2021 by NI Bills Fan 7 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 This is a ridiculous assertion. We've had a top defense until last year when some injuries and opt-outs hurt a lot more than any draft or FA misses did. And frankly, I'm much happier that they have a top offense and a middling defense vs having a top defense and a middling offense It's a much stronger and sustainable brand of football. Would you prefer that we bring another GM in to make these decisions??? Again - ridiculous 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 While I candidly have not seen the data on this, so don't know if it's effecting things or not, it should also be mentioned along with the defense's "regression", that that tends to happen when your offense puts up more points and plays at a faster pace. I believe we were one of the fastest paced teams last season and we were certainly one of the highest scoring offenses, so purely from a "time on field" standpoint, our defense was going to be worse... Whether that's still true prorated for pace of play and other factors, I'm not sure. It's also extremely silly to pretend like Beane is the only one providing input on these selections. They're absolutely collaborating on making these decisions. Furthermore, the more recently drafted guys have also suffered injuries or (though I'm loathe to defend him), like Oliver, forced into bad roles because of other injuries... I think it's pretty likely the D looks better this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htt2821 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 14 more days. Edited April 15, 2021 by YoloinOhio 5 10 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, Rochesterfan said: Just wish in 14 days a bunch of posters could be replaced by a new draft of posters also - rather than the same tired bunch of people starting threads about crap. Yea but at least we know this guy and his schtick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, FireChans said: Honestly, it's kind of shocking how much worse his defensive acquisitions have been compared to Sean. Who are our best defenders currently on the roster? Poyer Hyde Tre Milano Jerry Do you notice something? 4 of those players were acquired by McD without the McBeane. Jerry was obviously already here. Compare it to the list of hacks that Beane has acquired. I'd type out all the bums and disappointments but it'd take too long. All I know is if you eliminate the 2017 fellas, our defense would be the worst in the NFL. If you eliminate Beane's JAG brigade, eh, we'd be okay. Is it time for McD to make the picks again? Beane got the QB, let's thank him for his service and let's put the King of William and Mary back in the Kirk chair. Go away please ! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Sticks and stones may break his bones but the Beaner is not a wiener 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, TBBills said: What happened did your ST's thread not do so well? Lets see what happens this year. The defense stepped up when it needed in the second half and playoffs for the most part. I think the first half of the year was some pains with no offseason. It became one of the best second half defenses in the league. Every team had no offseason last year. It was a global pandemic, not just in Erie County. 11 minutes ago, glazeduck said: While I candidly have not seen the data on this, so don't know if it's effecting things or not, it should also be mentioned along with the defense's "regression", that that tends to happen when your offense puts up more points and plays at a faster pace. I believe we were one of the fastest paced teams last season and we were certainly one of the highest scoring offenses, so purely from a "time on field" standpoint, our defense was going to be worse... Whether that's still true prorated for pace of play and other factors, I'm not sure. It's also extremely silly to pretend like Beane is the only one providing input on these selections. They're absolutely collaborating on making these decisions. Furthermore, the more recently drafted guys have also suffered injuries or (though I'm loathe to defend him), like Oliver, forced into bad roles because of other injuries... I think it's pretty likely the D looks better this year. Our per drive averages were mediocre. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I happen to enjoy that we scored 500 points last year. Really don't care that much how many we gave up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I smell conspiracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Sticks and stones may break his bones but the Beaner is not a wiener Put it on a t-shirt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Fire Beane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 The focus has been on the offense since Beane has been here. Very little has been done on the defense apart from bringing in depth. Beane did bring in some guys on the dline last year with mixed results, but that's basically all. Dane Jackson, a 7th rounder, looks to be a steal. I think AJ Epenesa could be good. Who exactly are you so disappointed in on the defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, FireChans said: Honestly, it's kind of shocking how much worse his defensive acquisitions have been compared to Sean. Who are our best defenders currently on the roster? Poyer Hyde Tre Milano Jerry Do you notice something? 4 of those players were acquired by McD without the McBeane. Jerry was obviously already here. Compare it to the list of hacks that Beane has acquired. I'd type out all the bums and disappointments but it'd take too long. All I know is if you eliminate the 2017 fellas, our defense would be the worst in the NFL. If you eliminate Beane's JAG brigade, eh, we'd be okay. Is it time for McD to make the picks again? Beane got the QB, let's thank him for his service and let's put the King of William and Mary back in the Kirk chair. i assume you got the numbers to back that up? We’ll wait. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chandler#81 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Hey OP! Your parole officer is on line 2. 🤦♂️ 2 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: Every team had no offseason last year. It was a global pandemic, not just in Erie County. Our per drive averages were mediocre. McD, Frazier and Beane have equal responsibility regarding the success of our D. It’s not just the GM. Coaching is just as important. Some games our D has a great game plan. Some games it’s terrible. The D needs an upgrade at some defensive positions and it also needs better coaching at times 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 They did have a drop off and defense but it’s not off a cliff like you’re trying to present here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 44 minutes ago, FireChans said: Honestly, it's kind of shocking how much worse his defensive acquisitions have been compared to Sean. Who are our best defenders currently on the roster? Poyer Hyde Tre Milano Jerry Do you notice something? 4 of those players were acquired by McD without the McBeane. Jerry was obviously already here. Compare it to the list of hacks that Beane has acquired. I'd type out all the bums and disappointments but it'd take too long. All I know is if you eliminate the 2017 fellas, our defense would be the worst in the NFL. If you eliminate Beane's JAG brigade, eh, we'd be okay. Is it time for McD to make the picks again? Beane got the QB, let's thank him for his service and let's put the King of William and Mary back in the Kirk chair. I'm not questioning a thing Beane does. He's earned my trust and respect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) I don’t know, maybe its because guys leave... maybe its because Sean and Brandon haven’t been able to get the guys they really want, maybe the Bills are now a known quantity and are taken far more seriously, I mean why did the Donald lead Rams defense fail against our offense, in fact why did defenses fail fifteen times against us last season, it’s a hard game played by hard men, it’s hard to win in the NFL..., maybe I’m waiting for you to come out and blame and Levi Wallace, and Devon Singletary... maybe I’ll go get another beer 🍺... 😁👍 Oh and thanks for this opportunity... Edited April 15, 2021 by Don Otreply 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I feel Beane is doing a admirable job, however I'm disappointed that we haven't adequately addressed the second CB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malazan Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I see @FireChans needed some attention today 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I see @FireChans needed some attention today The emotions of a tweener girl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) He does need draft picks to step up. So far all of his defense picks have underperformed. Edited April 15, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Lol went from complaining about why they can't get an offense right to why they can't get the D right. A Defense that's been pretty good for a while I might add. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Beane has my utmost respect. What he did to acquire Josh Allen was ballsy and that move made this franchise into what it is today. With that said, he needs to nail this draft if we want to win a Super Bowl. His job is very safe, but this defense needs to get fixed promptly. I don’t care if every one of our picks goes to defense, just fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I think we owe them the benefit of the doubt that this past year was more of a fluke, than it was the new normal. That being said, they better figure out how to defend KC, because we had two cracks at them, and both times the defense gave us almost no chance. (Do not try to convince me the slow bleed of Game 1 was an ok defensive effort). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I think we owe them the benefit of the doubt that this past year was more of a fluke, than it was the new normal. That being said, they better figure out how to defend KC, because we had two cracks at them, and both times the defense gave us almost no chance. (Do not try to convince me the slow bleed of Game 1 was an ok defensive effort). Only way to beat KC is to challenge them, we back off them and hope they beat themselves. The defense actually played pretty well after a slow start last year. Still need some playmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arm of Harm Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) The OP's hypothesis is that the Bills' defensive drafting has been worse under Beane than McDermott. With that in mind let's look at the picks. McDermott only (defensive players in rounds 1 - 3): 1. Tre White (27th overall) McDermott + Beane (rounds 1 - 3) 1. Ed Oliver (9th overall) 1. Tremain Edmunds (16th overall) 2. A.J. Epenesa 3. Harrison Phillips During McDermott only the Bills used only one day 1 or 2 pick on a defensive player, but that pick resulted in the best player on the defense. During McDermott + Beane the Bills used two first round picks on defensive players. While neither of the picks is a bust, thus far neither has lived up to his draft position. The Bills also used two third round picks on defensive players. Harrison Phillips has looked good at times, but has been affected by injuries. A.J. Epenesa has shown flashes, and time will tell whether he's worth the 2nd round pick or not. McDermott used two picks on round 4 - 7 on defensive players, one of whom was Matt Milano. McDermott + Beane used six picks in rounds 4 - 7 on defensive players, resulting in several backup or rotational players (Taron Johnson, Darryl Johnson, Dane Jackson). Thus far no starters have emerged from that cohort. Overall the OP has a point: the Bills did a better job of drafting defensive players when it was McDermott only, than when it was McDermott + Beane. But, there isn't enough data for us to know whether this decline was due to random chance or if it was due to a decline in the accuracy of the Bills' evaluations of defensive players. Edited April 15, 2021 by Arm of Harm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Bad take bro...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said: The OP's hypothesis is that the Bills' defensive drafting has been worse under Beane than McDermott. With that in mind let's look at the picks. McDermott only (defensive players in rounds 1 - 3): 1. Tre White (27th overall) McDermott + Beane (rounds 1 - 3) 1. Ed Oliver (9th overall) 1. Tremain Edmunds (16th overall) 2. A.J. Epenesa 3. Harrison Phillips During McDermott only the Bills used only one day 1 or 2 pick on a defensive player, but that pick resulted in the best player on the defense. During McDermott + Beane the Bills used two first round picks on defensive players. While neither of the picks is a bust, thus far neither has lived up to his draft position. The Bills also used two third round picks on defensive players. Harrison Phillips has looked good at times, but has been affected by injuries. A.J. Epenesa has shown flashes, and time will tell whether he's worth the 2nd round pick or not. McDermott used two picks on round 4 - 7 on defensive players, one of whom was Matt Milano. McDermott + Beane used six picks in rounds 4 - 7 on defensive players, resulting in several backup or rotational players (Taron Johnson, Darryl Johnson, Dane Jackson). Thus far no starters have emerged from that cohort. Overall the OP has a point: the Bills did a better job of drafting defensive players when it was McDermott only, than when it was McDermott + Beane. But, there isn't enough data for us to know whether this decline was due to random chance or if it was due to a decline in the accuracy of the Bills' evaluations of defensive players. Basically. And there is no reason to believe Oliver, Edmunds, or Epenesa can't make a huge jump in play. Still a lot of story to be written, but we need at least one of these players to be more than average. Edited April 15, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Every team had no offseason last year. It was a global pandemic, not just in Erie County. Our per drive averages were mediocre. Maybe look at the PPG especially in the second half of the season... You know when it counted the most. Per drive averages... What a pathetic stat line to try and use. Edited April 16, 2021 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: Hey OP! Your parole officer is on line 2. 🤦♂️ I thought it was the suicide prevention hotline feeling bad for hanging up and calling him back...... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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