Blank Stare Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: That cliche has kind of worn thin by year 5 of the McDermott regime don't you think?? Lets see who Emmanuel Sanders played for previously in his career... The Panthers? Nope. The Steelers Broncos 49ers and Saints. How about Jacob Hollister? The Panthers? Nope... How about the Seahawks and Pats. What about Matt Hauk? The Panthers....Nope. So we don't JUST go after former Carolina Panthers. And some Panthers have been pretty decent btw. Daryl Williams certainly comes to mind. And Starr has been pretty solid also. And AJ Klein certainly had some strong moments last season. The one blight from Carolina was Kelvin Benjamin. And he was a first round draft pick back in 2014. So he did have talent. Unfortunately he had no desire and was fat. I said “defense” in my post. Why do people get so sensitive about pointing out their proclivity for former panthers? It’s true. Hyde and Poyer are the last two real impact free agents on defense that McD signed from different teams. And that was back in 2017. Doesn’t hurt to poach from other teams now and then. Edited March 24, 2021 by TheProcess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Are the Bills officially the only NFL team with a minor league farm system in Carolina. So here’s the part I don’t get about the Panthers. We know they don’t want us poaching their talent so it’s not like their coaches or scouts are helping Beane evaluate the guys for us, so what does he have water boys calling him with tips? I mean he hasn’t been there for years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: With Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, and A.J. Epenesa going nowhere, as well as them really liking Daryl Johnson - I don't expect anymore additions to Defensive End in FA or with a Day 1 or 2 Pick. I think it will depend on how the draft falls....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Only question I have is this team better prepared now if we were to face Kansas City again I cannot say that I feel comfortable saying yes But are they better prepared to beat us...the answer there as of now is no. They have lost more than gained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I have to ask an incredibly naive question. What do they mean he and his sister were "trafficked" in London? Was someone selling him or her for sex? A 10 year old kid and where were the police? And then just dumped on the streets? Truly an incredible story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: My struggle with drafting a pass rusher at 30 is, is there a pass rusher drafted 30th that can make a big impact? It isn’t an easy spot to find an impact pass rusher. Another poster pointed out that NT at 30 and DE in round 2 might be the better way to go since an NT can make more of an impact and be a longer term need fill, while DE at pick 62 can be a longer term need fill and has almost as equal a chance at panning out and making an impact as a De taken at pick 30. I'm fine either way. They need both positions to develop. Hughes will be gone in a year. Epenesa is an unknown. Getting younger on the DL will help for the next few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Only question I have is this team better prepared now if we were to face Kansas City again I cannot say that I feel comfortable saying yes Luckily, that is 8 months away. The draft needs to go well and some younger guys need to step up to get over the hump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I'd bet money that Eric Washington was a factor in this signing. I honestly don't care where a player came from. Can he contribute at a rate commensurate to his salary (or better)? That's the only thing I care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Taking notes on the posters that do not like this signing.....I mean their hot takes that McDermott will never be good never gets old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, papazoid said: its a process Trust it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Only question I have is this team better prepared now if we were to face Kansas City again I cannot say that I feel comfortable saying yes I hear you as an upgrade at DE would've been extremely helpful. I guess you just have to hope the young guys elevate their game this year (Edmunds, Oliver, Epenesa, Knox, Ford, Moss, Singletary, etc.). Upgrade at CB #2 either through the draft or free agency which could help the pass rush. Coaches need to develop a better game plan. Maybe get an official crew that actually isn't afraid to call defensive pass interference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Luckily, that is 8 months away. The draft needs to go well and some younger guys need to step up to get over the hump. Exaclty. Olive, Edmunds, and Epenesa need to play better first and foremost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 40 minutes ago, Doc said: Wouldn't that be their 3rd string DEs? Ah yes, good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: Not anymore. We've become farm of Las Vegas Raiders. Good call.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Does a straight ahead rush, power in moving the offensive lineman and getting separation. Great job. 30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Took the outside rush, going inside would have been better. Still does a great job of powering forward and disrupting that side of the line. Nice rush. Young guy playing wise. Seems strong and a good motor. Would like to see him get extended playing time for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: My struggle with drafting a pass rusher at 30 is, is there a pass rusher drafted 30th that can make a big impact? It isn’t an easy spot to find an impact pass rusher. Another poster pointed out that NT at 30 and DE in round 2 might be the better way to go since an NT can make more of an impact and be a longer term need fill, while DE at pick 62 can be a longer term need fill and has almost as equal a chance at panning out and making an impact as a De taken at pick 30. I think you can usually wait till round 3 or later on NTs unless they have huge upside in the passrush department. I personally am on the Slaton or Shelvin train with our 3rd rounder. I might even consider moving up a little for Slaton as I believe he can also push the pocket enough to cause the QB some problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, Locomark said: So here’s the part I don’t get about the Panthers. We know they don’t want us poaching their talent so it’s not like their coaches or scouts are helping Beane evaluate the guys for us, so what does he have water boys calling him with tips? I mean he hasn’t been there for years now. That's a great question. There must still be an insider filtering some info to McB. My biggest fear is they seem to obsess with Panther players. Are the doing enough do diligence with the other 30 teams while searching for help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: I think you can usually wait till round 3 or later on NTs unless they have huge upside in the passrush department. I personally am on the Slaton or Shelvin train with our 3rd rounder. I might even consider moving up a little for Slaton as I believe he can also push the pocket enough to cause the QB some problems. Any NT drafted in round 1 would have to have some pass rush upside but getting some help to the middle is looking to me like one of the areas that the draft can really have an immediate impact on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, ngbills said: Huh? Plenty said prior to Diggs that WR was not a huge need. People talked up Brown as being a true #1 if given the chance. That Duke Williams showed his potential in that 100 yard game to end the season. Brown, Beasley, Duke and you draft a WR plus still have McK and Foster. There were plenty that were ready to roll with that strategy. I was big on you need a true / legit #1 and was told Beane knows what he is doing, the team has other needs, they obviously like what they have etc. That crew may have looked "respectable" but look what getting a guy like Diggs does for you. Same goes for this DL. You can roll out Addison, Hughes, Efe, AJE and be possibly respectable. Have guys get 6 sacks and seem solid (like Brown's 1,000 season). But you plug in a legit DE and he may only get 10 sacks but changes the entire game. And plenty are talking about this signing as a great signing and like he will have a big impact. He may just as likely barely see the field or have no impact. My point he is not a difference maker signing that is scaring our opponents. He is a just another guy. I do like the signing assuming it is at a minimum salary and is not the last move made. I dont want it to be the check the box, pass rush is fixed move. That is all. Worth a gamble as a potential player that can do more than is expected. Again, we need more at DE than we have now. You can repeat this to yourself all you want, it will not make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Only question I have is this team better prepared now if we were to face Kansas City again I cannot say that I feel comfortable saying yes Me either, but I'm hoping a pocket collapsing 1tech and a big nickle found on day 2 in the draft then that would be a couple steps in the right direction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Any NT drafted in round 1 would have to have some pass rush upside but getting some help to the middle is looking to me like one of the areas that the draft can really have an immediate impact on. Sounds to me like you're describing Ed Oliver...no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: You can repeat this to yourself all you want, it will not make it so. It is so. Do people love having Diggs on the Bills? Do people credit Beane with getting Diggs? Answer to both yes. Before Diggs, were people called haters for calling on Beane to get a WR? Yes. I want the team to get better. You may be confusing me and what I say with something else. I just like to actually think and not just say everything is amazing no matter what. For example, I am 100% happy with last season. Doesn't mean I still dont hate the signings of Addison, Jefferson, Butler. That is allowed. 26 minutes ago, davefan66 said: Does a straight ahead rush, power in moving the offensive lineman and getting separation. Great job. Took the outside rush, going inside would have been better. Still does a great job of powering forward and disrupting that side of the line. Nice rush. Young guy playing wise. Seems strong and a good motor. Would like to see him get extended playing time for sure. He looks more like our Q Jefferson replacement than an edge guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JerseyBills Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I read they switched to a 3-4 and he didn't enjoy playing on the inside. But nice , versatile piece, hopefully he can reach his full potential in Buf, which has been the mantra. He's a genetic freak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Sounds to me like you're describing Ed Oliver...no? Ed to me isn’t a run stuffer. He can do that role decently but he isn’t at his best when having to do that. I think of Ed as more of an interior pass rusher who can play decent against the run. I think at pick 30 of an edge rusher isn’t there at a good value then a big space eating DT that can push the pocket makes sense if one is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ngbills said: I want the team to get better. You may be confusing me and what I say with something else. I just like to actually think and not just say everything is amazing no matter what. For example, I am 100% happy with last season. Doesn't mean I still dont hate the signings of Addison, Jefferson, Butler. That is allowed. He looks more like our Q Jefferson replacement than an edge guy. Seems he was used inside from what other posters said, more than edge. Still a pass rush guy. Seems like he may have speed. Video of him chasing down Brees. Can’t say much without seeing his gameplay. Like the addition, side has heart. Great story. Edited March 24, 2021 by davefan66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: And how many of the ex Panther signings have actually been good? I don’t mind this signing because he’s a younger guy with upside on a cheap deal but they’ve mostly struck out on the ex Panther signings.... and Im going to continue to beat the dead horse, I hate that Addison is still on the team. You'll be glad to know I can live without Addison also. That lame attempt to sack Murray before the hail mary still pisses me off. I could easily see Obada splitting snaps with Addison and maybe resigned next spring. This will be Addisons last season in Buffalo. Not all Panther signings have been train wrecks. Norman wasn't elite but he held his own as a Nickel. Daryl is flat out the best RT we've had in a decade. McB just needs to remember there's 30 other teams to pool from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 TBH, I think this is a signing they might have made even if they had got a 'name' pass rusher - e.g. JJ Watt. They obviously have knowledge of the guy, particularly from our D-Line coach, who would have known all about him from his time in Carolina. He's got some good physical attributes, as others have shown, and he also can play across the line. I wouldn't peg him as a starter, but his versatility will see him get into the rotation, and he's a guy it looks like they can use in different ways, when they want to change things up. I can easily see him being used on inside stunts, for example. If he gives us 5.5 sacks at the money, he's a bargain. I also think that there's still room for improvement, both from him, and at the position, but sometimes, small improvements, if there are enough of them, can make a significant difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I have to ask an incredibly naive question. What do they mean he and his sister were "trafficked" in London? Was someone selling him or her for sex? A 10 year old kid and where were the police? And then just dumped on the streets? Truly an incredible story. Human traffickers. They smuggle desperate people into other countries. Many end up as slaves and are undocumented (same as coyotes who smuggle in people on the Mexican border). The UK tends to have less of an issue than the rest of Europe (geographically at the extreme edge and being surrounded by water) but organised crime will do what organised crime will do. Have the odd really bad incident of mass deaths where people have been crammed into trucks/containers and have suffocated in the heat). The slightly less awful trafficking gangs will just dump their charges somewhere, the worse ones will use them as slave labour or force them into prostitution. Seems like in this case he was just dumped in London, which is about as good an outcome as could have happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Remember when you said this? Has he won anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 36 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Sounds to me like you're describing Ed Oliver...no? No. Oliver was never expected to take a snap at NT in the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Has he won anything? The AFC East? 15 games last season? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, TheProcess said: I said “defense” in my post. Why do people get so sensitive about pointing out their proclivity for former panthers? It’s true. Hyde and Poyer are the last two real impact free agents on defense that McD signed from different teams. And that was back in 2017. Doesn’t hurt to poach from other teams now and then. Beasley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Beasley Vic Beasley? Was he a Bill? Cole plays on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Now that the Shade of where he comes from and his history, things kind of make sense us grabbing him. The more I see and read about him the more I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, ngbills said: Vic Beasley? Was he a Bill? Cole plays on offense. Ok didn’t see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Has he won anything? No, we went 0-16 and still can’t put away teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Sounds like the guy they were hoping they were getting with Q Jefferson - pass rusher from all positions on the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Beasley No question they’ve had hits on offense from other orgs. My initial post in this thread was in reference to the trend of former panthers on defense. You take a risk going to the FA well because, while you may think you know what you’re getting based on previous performance, you don’t really know the man. I get it. I think that’s why you see the trend of former panthers. They still have connections from their time there either knowing the player first hand or knowing someone in the org that does to help mitigate the risk. Problem is, we’re allocating material portions of the cap to these players that isn’t commensurate with their level of play. I’d rather they save the $ on the average to below average Addison, Butler, Kleins of the world and try to use it on impact free agents that come available (e.g., the crop of free agent pass rushers or tight ends that were available this year). They’ve done some decent things here and there, but they weren’t great signings. I love that McBeane are willing to admit a mistake when it doesn’t work out on the coaching staff, organizationally, or even in game. I just wish they’d rip the bandaid off a little quicker with respect to player swings and misses when it doesn’t work out. 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 6 hours ago, whatdrought said: and that defense wasn’t exactly dominant, so it isn’t like he benefitted from a great surrounding cast. Ive heard of this for Cougar addiction... do you think it transfers?... Hey leave Washington State fans out of this. 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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