Ro-ro for "Right Josh" Rosen

[4merper4mer]

7 hours ago, Logic said:

I feel bad for Josh Rosen.

 

If Allen is the prime example of “being drafted into the right situation”, Rosen has to be the exact opposite.

 

I wonder what would’ve happened with Rosen if he had been drafted by a good team into a stable structure, and had actually been given protection and weapons and had a coach that believed in him.

 

. 😳

He’d still suck

[Behindenemylines]

On 3/19/2021 at 8:59 PM, 4merper4mer said:

He’d still suck

Yes he would.  His over-confidence in the draft process came across as arrogance, which is a huge red flag to coaches.  That and he has a look that makes you just want to punch him.

[Jpsredemption]

Who cares anymore 

[Doc]

Rosen would have sucked no matter where he went, and that's coming from someone who really wanted him in the 2018 draft and was pissed they took Elite Josh instead (and am thankful I was wrong).  I'm not sure how many teams you need to be on to finally show you're worth something.

 

And anyone thinking Josh waltzed-into a great situation with the Bills should look at that 2018 offensive roster.  That was quite possibly one of the worst offenses the Bills have ever had.  Yet it didn't ruin Josh nor did he use it as an excuse for his performance.

[Magox]

Just think, if some of the TBD "experts" had their way, we'd have Marcel Dareus anchoring the middle, Darby as our top DB, Jonathan the legendary jag as our main RB,  Josh Rosen as our franchise QB and Sammy Watkins as our #1 WR.    

[Beerball]

On 3/18/2021 at 7:24 PM, benderbender said:

Mayfield is Manzeil light, all the ego with half the career sabotage

Mayfield is a much better QB than Johnny.

[ExWNYer]

On 3/19/2021 at 9:30 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Couldn't Rosen go clean up on the men's pro tennis circuit?  I seem to remember him being skilled at the game.  I don't know if that's Rosen's assessment of his skills, or a third party's.

 

Yes, he certainly had a nose for the sport...

[Rico]

43 minutes ago, Magox said:

Just think, if some of the TBD "experts" had their way, we'd have Marcel Dareus anchoring the middle, Darby as our top DB, Jonathan the legendary jag as our main RB,  Josh Rosen as our franchise QB and Sammy Watkins as our #1 WR.    

Don’t forget Diamond Doug Whaley entering his 9th year as GM. Continuity FTW! 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, Rico said:

Don’t forget Diamond Doug Whaley entering his 9th year as GM. Continuity FTW! 

 Injuries are part of it. It's a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play. And these things are going to come up.  But it pays my bills.  Not my Bills...my bills.  Barkeeper, another drink for Mr. Brandon and me!

[dave mcbride]

On 3/18/2021 at 5:24 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

49ers apparently not persuaded "Wrong Josh" is the "Right" for the backup job

 

 

Hard to read too much into this. Flacco has been awful the last two seasons, and this may be more of a commentary on Beatherd and Mullens, who both stink.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

35 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Hard to read too much into this. Flacco has been awful the last two seasons, and this may be more of a commentary on Beatherd and Mullens, who both stink.

 

I thought Beatherd and Mullens were both free agents?  Not listed on the 49ers roster and Wiki says so....

 

6 hours ago, Beerball said:

Mayfield is a much better QB than Johnny.

 

As far as what's been demonstrated, this is inarguable.

 

IMHO Mayfield was a much better QB in college too, but there are those who still argue the contrary and say he mighta been good in the NFL, "if only"

[dave mcbride]

13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I thought Beatherd and Mullens were both free agents?  Not listed on the 49ers roster and Wiki says so....

 

 

As far as what's been demonstrated, this is inarguable.

 

IMHO Mayfield was a much better QB in college too, but there are those who still argue the contrary and say he mighta been good in the NFL, "if only"

That’s kind of my point. All three of those guys (Beatherd, Mullens, Flacco) stink. It’s a good spot for Rosen. I truly believe Flacco is just going through the motions now in order to collect seven-figure paychecks. He certainly doesn’t strike me as the sort of guy who possesses the requisite amount of on-screen charisma necessary for a future in broadcasting. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

41 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

That’s kind of my point. All three of those guys (Beatherd, Mullens, Flacco) stink. It’s a good spot for Rosen. I truly believe Flacco is just going through the motions now in order to collect seven-figure paychecks. He certainly doesn’t strike me as the sort of guy who possesses the requisite amount of on-screen charisma necessary for a future in broadcasting. 

Hauling this back around to Rosen's dilemma, now there's an idea!  Get Dennis Miller out of broadcasting retirement, pair Rosen and Miller as a team! 😁

[CorkScrewHill]

On 3/19/2021 at 1:06 PM, Logic said:

I feel bad for Josh Rosen.

 

If Allen is the prime example of “being drafted into the right situation”, Rosen has to be the exact opposite.

 

I wonder what would’ve happened with Rosen if he had been drafted by a good team into a stable structure, and had actually been given protection and weapons and had a coach that believed in him.

 

And to think, I was actually disappointed on draft night when the Bills took Allen instead of Rosen. 😳

I actually stumbled upon this interview with his college coach .. he basically likes Rosen as a person but his answers about how bad he wants it, how teachable he is are really surprising (and not in a positive coach cover for player way). Lack of humility, always "knowing" the right way .. definitely the blueprint for failure and with the 49ers drafting a QB it is not poor Rosen it is the 49ers looked and didn't like what they saw so they are getting a new young QB and maybe Rosen sticks as the third, but likely not.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/jim-mora-jr-explains-why-49ers-qb-josh-rosen-has-not-lived-up-to-expectations

 

The old narratives such as Allen is inaccurate, Lamar can only run, Darnold is prototypical QB, Rosen has all the skills die hard.

[Southern_Bills]

I thought Rosen would be good, I thought Allen was the right pick for the Bills with his Arm and size.

 

I was wrong about Rosen being a "Great" QB though lol

[Motorin']

On 3/18/2021 at 4:28 PM, Warcodered said:

the ongoing series of mistakes continues.

 

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

 

 

I wonder if it's worth getting an investigative news team together to track that bunch down.  I wonder if any have switched allegiances? 🤔

[SydneyBillsFan]

20 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I wonder if it's worth getting an investigative news team together to track that bunch down.  I wonder if any have switched allegiances? 🤔

 

No Investigative news team needed here:

 

 

How many of these guys should be wearing masks at the Ralph?

[JMF2006]

On 3/21/2021 at 12:26 PM, Magox said:

Just think, if some of the TBD "experts" had their way, we'd have Marcel Dareus anchoring the middle, Darby as our top DB, Jonathan the legendary jag as our main RB,  Josh Rosen as our franchise QB and Sammy Watkins as our #1 WR.    

 

7-9.......forever

 

 

[JMF2006]

3 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

I thought Rosen would be good, I thought Allen was the right pick for the Bills with his Arm and size.

 

I was wrong about Rosen being a "Great" QB though lol

 

I was a Baker guy I thought the Bills could win right away with him.

 

The 3 QB's I didn't want were Rosen Jackson and Darnold.(Rosen came off as entitled,Jackson=Tyrod and Darnold another USC bust)

 

When the Bills took JA I was happy because I thought he the most potential and we would need to be patient.

 

Now he is clearly the best QB of that draft

[BuffaloBill]

How history looks when you really don’t know what you have. The draft is a huge crapshoot.

[Bill from NYC]

On 3/21/2021 at 11:01 AM, Doc said:

Rosen would have sucked no matter where he went, and that's coming from someone who really wanted him in the 2018 draft and was pissed they took Elite Josh instead (and am thankful I was wrong).  I'm not sure how many teams you need to be on to finally show you're worth something.

 

And anyone thinking Josh waltzed-into a great situation with the Bills should look at that 2018 offensive roster.  That was quite possibly one of the worst offenses the Bills have ever had.  Yet it didn't ruin Josh nor did he use it as an excuse for his performance.

My order of preference was:

 

1) Darnold

2) Allen

3) Mayfield

 

 

4) Rosen

 

I gave Rosen little to no chance of being good. While Darnold was my choice, I was thrilled when they drafted Allen.  I suppose that I should, but I don't have an ounce of sympathy for Rosen, the poor little rich boy with the big mouth.

 

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

How history looks when you really don’t know what you have. The draft is a huge crapshoot.

This is true. I am thankful that we no longer have people handling our draft that are consistently stupid, worse than a 13 year old kid with a copy of Pro Football Weekly. 

[T master]

On 3/18/2021 at 4:29 PM, The Red King said:

Top-ten overall pick.  From a cocky comment about making other teams regret passing on him in the draft, to flaming out as even a backup in just a handful of years.

 

Just...wow...

 

Just wondering though do you think it could be because of the way he was handled ? The dude hasn't caught a break as far as coaching or stability goes we all know how bad that can be on a QB's development especially being Bills fans .

 

I think the guy has what it takes but he just needs to settle down under a stable coaching staff and give him a O line that can protect him & a scheme with the time to learn it and he might be a good NFL QB but we may never know .

 

I always thought BB & the Pats would be a good landing place for him as far as developing his skills .

[Captain Hindsight]

34 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

7-9.......forever

 

 

Just need Jeff Fisher to get us to 8-8

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Just wondering though do you think it could be because of the way he was handled ? The dude hasn't caught a break as far as coaching or stability goes we all know how bad that can be on a QB's development especially being Bills fans .

 

I think the guy has what it takes but he just needs to settle down under a stable coaching staff and give him a O line that can protect him & a scheme with the time to learn it and he might be a good NFL QB but we may never know .

 

I always thought BB & the Pats would be a good landing place for him as far as developing his skills.

A good QB will shine through and make his coaches look better.  Rosen doesn’t have what it takes and 3 teams have already given up on him, 2 of them giving him a real chance. 

[BuffaloBill]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Just need Jeff Fisher to get us to 8-8

 

Jeff Tuel

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

On 3/19/2021 at 1:17 PM, Albany,n.y. said:

Rosen ran out of excuses a long time ago.  Arizona saw enough of him to move him before his trade value went down to zero after 1 year.  Miami gave him a chance & decided he was bad enough to draft Tua.  Then after Miami cut him no team, after seeing his 2 years in the NFL, wanted him & he ended up on Tampa's practice squad where he stayed until SF was running low on QBs & signed him without so much of a whimper from Tampa Bay.  

 

Now look at Josh Allen: I think it's safe to say I don't know what rookie would have been successful in Buffalo.  His O-line & WRs had to be as bad as Arizona's if not worse.  At least Arizona had Larry Fitzgerald.  Our Josh had virtually no receivers with Robert Foster coming off the practice squad to be Josh's top receiver. What has Foster done since?  Still as a rookie Josh Allen helped will the team to 5 wins in 11 starts.  He made no excuses, came back with better players his 2nd season & immediately led the Bills to their best record in many years.  By year 3, in spite of the rookie hardships, Josh Allen became a top 5 QB in the entire league.  

 

Josh Rosen was just another good college player who isn't good enough to make it, even as a quality backup, in the NFL.  He isn't the 1st & he won't be the last, he just isn't meant for NFL football.  Nothing wrong with that.  A lot of good college players never get to start a single game in the NFL and still have a good enough resume to get a leg up on a lot of post football jobs.  Josh Rosen will probably have a long successful career.  It just won't be as a football player.  

This is such a great post. One think about Allen is he has never whined about his situation and has always been the first to take the blame. He has been pretty much been doubted his whole career even so much into two seasons of the Nfl. Those of us who actually watched the games instead of stat line or highlights could see  something special. 
 

You can go to a Miami message board today and still find the posters who believe he will fall from grace this season. That last season was an outlier. I don’t buy the comparisons to situation like a Wentz because he has gradually been accsending each season.
 

At some point that will hit a flatline and maybe we have seen his best or maybe we will see even more . No doubt where he is now is more than enough to be our franchise. 

[Don Otreply]

On 3/19/2021 at 8:30 AM, Kwai San said:

 

And just THINK of the number of posters on THIS board who swore up and down Rosen was the better Josh.........

Fans being fans, a very high percentage of us  know a lot less than we pretend to know, this as you all know includes me... 😁👍 although I can honestly say I was happy with the JA pick, for me there was just things about Mayfield and Rosen that I didn’t care for, I thought that JA and LJ would end up the best two, so far my W A G has held up so far... I get lucky once a year or two...😁

[BarleyNY]

On 3/21/2021 at 12:38 PM, Beerball said:

Mayfield is a much better QB than Johnny.

It’s funny to see so many people on this board massively underrate Mayfield.  Three offensive systems in three years and no preseason games or offseason to speak of in 2020 to learn the last one.  Early in the season he was awful and it looked bad for him, but by the second half he was ranking among the best in the league.  2021 will be the first time he’s been in the same system two straight seasons and it should give people a good idea of how good he is.

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

A good QB will shine through and make his coaches look better.  Rosen doesn’t have what it takes and 3 teams have already given up on him, 2 of them giving him a real chance. 

I knew it was official that he busted out when he didn’t get a chance from teams like NE or Pittsburgh.

[T master]

23 minutes ago, Doc said:

A good QB will shine through and make his coaches look better.  Rosen doesn’t have what it takes and 3 teams have already given up on him, 2 of them giving him a real chance. 

 

I know Az. had no O line per say to give him any time the kid got his brains beat out while trying to learn the system not o mention the changing of HC's and the scheme so i don't really see that was being a good start .

 

Not real sure of the Miami thing but he was still learning that scheme and still pretty much a rookie in some senses since then i have lost where he is now but if those are the chances you mean I'm not thinking they were all that good almost like EJ did while he was here . 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, JMF2006 said:

 

7-9.......forever

 

 

'Same as it ever was...' 😁

[BillsShredder83]

On 3/19/2021 at 11:04 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Double edged sword. If you back it up, that’s one thing. If you flame out, then HA-HA

I was supposed to read this in Nelsons voice? If so, done correctly

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

A good QB will shine through and make his coaches look better.  Rosen doesn’t have what it takes and 3 teams have already given up on him, 2 of them giving him a real chance. 

Which is exactly what Allen did his rookie year.  Allen stepped into an offense every bit as bad and maybe even worse then the offense Rosen stepped into.  On top of that Allen's training camp and preseason were not handled well as he took very few first team reps.

 

Yet in spite of this you can fill a 20 minute highlight video of amazing plays Allen made as a rookie.  Sure you can match that with a video showing his bone head plays and hero ball. But under the circumstances it was the highlights that mattered and a lot of us knew we had the right guy after that rookie season.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2021 by CincyBillsFan

[Guffalo]

4 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

No Investigative news team needed here:

 

 

How many of these guys should be wearing masks at the Ralph?

Is that Randy Meade in the white shirt?

 

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

My order of preference was:

 

1) Darnold

2) Allen

3) Mayfield

 

 

4) Rosen

 

I gave Rosen little to no chance of being good. While Darnold was my choice, I was thrilled when they drafted Allen.  I suppose that I should, but I don't have an ounce of sympathy for Rosen, the poor little rich boy with the big mouth.

 

This is true. I am thankful that we no longer have people handling our draft that are consistently stupid, worse than a 13 year old kid with a copy of Pro Football Weekly. 

Not going to lie, Mayfield was my preference.   But I cant agree with you on Rosen more.   He came off as entitled during the process.

 

Add the entitlement to the film, and I dont know how anyone can be surprised he didnt pan out.   If you watched more than one game he was an absolute statue in the pocket, had no lateral movement which is essential, took tons of sacks and really didnt have elite arm strength.   The talking heads did a great job of selling the "Most Pro-Ready/Great Technique" thing leading up to the draft, but man was he overhyped.

[MrSarcasm]

My preference order at the time:

 

Allen

Mayfield

Darnold

Rudolph

Jackson

...

...

...

...

Rosen.

 

I had Rosen off my list completely.

[4merper4mer]

15 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

My preference order at the time:

 

Allen

Mayfield

Darnold

Rudolph

Jackson

...

...

...

...

Rosen.

 

I had Rosen off my list completely.

If I’m being honest....I did not like any of them.  Once they picked Allen I was ok with him.  I would have also been ok with Darnold or Mayfield but not thrilled about any.  I would have been ok with Jackson with our second pick in the first as it was clear he would be there.

 

At this point I’m thrilled with Allen and would be ok with Jackson or Mayfield.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

A good QB will shine through and make his coaches look better.  Rosen doesn’t have what it takes and 3 teams have already given up on him, 2 of them giving him a real chance. 

A “real chance” isn’t playing for the cardinals (and their OL) and the Dolphins (with their OL).  He had no chance in either spot.  
 

I’m not saying he’s going to be good, it’s looking like his career is over, but his “2 real chances”, were really only chances to fail. 

[The Red King]

3 hours ago, T master said:

 

Just wondering though do you think it could be because of the way he was handled ? The dude hasn't caught a break as far as coaching or stability goes we all know how bad that can be on a QB's development especially being Bills fans .

 

I think the guy has what it takes but he just needs to settle down under a stable coaching staff and give him a O line that can protect him & a scheme with the time to learn it and he might be a good NFL QB but we may never know .

 

I always thought BB & the Pats would be a good landing place for him as far as developing his skills .

 

Oh, I agree.  We'll never know how some QBs would have turned out had they gone elsewhere instead.  I'm just stunned that he hit this point, this fast.  I figure some team hurting at QB would have taken a chance on him as a potential starter, but after only a few years he can't even find work as a backup?

[Doc]

2 hours ago, T master said:

 

I know Az. had no O line per say to give him any time the kid got his brains beat out while trying to learn the system not o mention the changing of HC's and the scheme so i don't really see that was being a good start .

 

Not real sure of the Miami thing but he was still learning that scheme and still pretty much a rookie in some senses since then i have lost where he is now but if those are the chances you mean I'm not thinking they were all that good almost like EJ did while he was here . 

 

24 minutes ago, NewEra said:

A “real chance” isn’t playing for the cardinals (and their OL) and the Dolphins (with their OL).  He had no chance in either spot.  
 

I’m not saying he’s going to be good, it’s looking like his career is over, but his “2 real chances”, were really only chances to fail. 

 

As CBF said, Josh was put in a worse situation than Rosen.  The Bills' OL had just lost their 2 best players in Wood and Incognito (and couldn't do much to remedy it given the cap situation) and he had crap at receiver and TE.  Yet the Bills decided to build around him whereas the Cardinals were likely talked-out of sticking with Rosen by Kingsbury after watching film, despite spending a 1st rounder on him.  Likewise, the Dols had nothing else at QB and traded a 2nd rounder for him, and still moved on.  I'm not sure how many more chances you give a guy before you declare him a bust.