The Jokeman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 41 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: How so? Some see the second 1st was to take Goff's contract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 What team would in their right mind give up 2 number 1s for Carr? That stupidity is up there with the bills trading a 1st because Rob Johnson looked good in 1 game or the seahawks paying Matt Flynn 60 million because of 1 game in a week 17 meaningless match up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: If I were a team in need of a QB, I’d actually go after Mariota over Carr. You would remain a team in need of a qb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Not too long ago a number of folks here considered Carr a stud. John skelton was a stud around these parts as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: Mahomes, Watson, and Herbert all in the same division....yes please? At least we got firepower to fight back think of all those years going to battle with T.T or jp losman against Brady lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 45 minutes ago, Billl said: Nobody’s giving up one first rounder for Carr let alone two. The guy is just good enough to not get a top draft pick but not good enough to make the playoffs. LOL without really wanting to debate the QB prowess of Derek Carr, does anyone else here enjoy Antiques Roadshow? I kind of feel the aftermath of the Stafford trade is like that show proclaiming some unassuming old vase is actually worth big $$. Everyone watching the show starts thinking "Hmmmm, I got a vase looks pretty much like that, wonder what it's really worth?" and looks about for an appraiser. I think Mayock be all "sheee it, if Detroit can get two firsts and a third for that 33 year old 12-year vet coming off 2 years of broken vertebrae, wonder what my under-30 QB with just 7 years wear-n-tear really worth?" Stop the Tulip Mania 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: What team would in their right mind give up 2 number 1s for Carr? That stupidity is up there with the bills trading a 1st because Rob Johnson looked good in 1 game or the seahawks paying Matt Flynn 60 million because of 1 game in a week 17 meaningless match up There lucky Wilson turned out after that Flynn money boy that brings back memories that was so dumb dude did absolutely nothing after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 97bills said: There lucky Wilson turned out after that Flynn money boy that brings back memories that was so dumb dude did absolutely nothing after that. Didn’t Matt Flynn sign with the bills at one point or am I misremembering my Matts Edited February 3, 2021 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Didn’t matter Flynn sign with the bills at one point or am I misremembering my Matts I think he did for a hot minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: How so? First of all the first round picks were not this year's - they were 2022 and 2023. So they're already worth less than 1st rounders in 2021. And one of the two firsts was clearly an exchange for taking on Goff's contract. The Lions got a 1st and a 3rd in "real" value for Stafford, and another 1st for the Goff contract, as I see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 hours ago, y2zipper said: I would like whatever the Mariota is better than car crowd is smoking because that take is objectively terrible. I think it's going to take five or six first to get Watson and the reason why Carr doesn't just get moved for him is because Houston wants draft picks as opposed to players. Stafford just moved for two first round picks and Carr is better than Stafford and 3 years younger. Two first round picks for Carris a deal that makes sense if your Chicago or if your San Francisco and you are currently looking to upgrade that position. That deal is in realistic for the Broncos because they're in the same division. Boy I think he would be great with 49ers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I mean, yeah. I’m sure he is. Just like he’s a top 15 offensive player in this league according to.... *checks articles* David Carr..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: LOL without really wanting to debate the QB prowess of Derek Carr, does anyone else here enjoy Antiques Roadshow? I kind of feel the aftermath of the Stafford trade is like that show proclaiming some unassuming old vase is actually worth big $$. Everyone watching the show starts thinking "Hmmmm, I got a vase looks pretty much like that, wonder what it's really worth?" and looks about for an appraiser. I think Mayock be all "sheee it, if Detroit can get two firsts and a third for that 33 year old 12-year vet coming off 2 years of broken vertebrae, wonder what my under-30 QB with just 7 years wear-n-tear really worth?" Stop the Tulip Mania I’ll admit, I had no idea where you were going with the Antiques Roadshow thing, but I’ll be damned if it didn’t turn into a solid analogy. 33 minutes ago, 97bills said: There lucky Wilson turned out after that Flynn money boy that brings back memories that was so dumb dude did absolutely nothing after that. Also well said. Edited February 3, 2021 by Billl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Protocal69 said: When the Bills were going through the drought I cant remember a time where quality QB's were available for trade like now. We did trade for Bledsoe but that was it for 15+ years. Go figure That's what I have been thinking. There are actually options available and you don't have to settle for one, that is just crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Jon Gruden never met a QB he didn’t love. .....and hate. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, SirAndrew said: I really hope the NFL QB position doesn’t turn into an NBA situation where these guys are always looking for a better situation. Definitely heading that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I could see the Saints throwing their hat into one of these QB trade situations. After whatever drama was going on with Michael Thomas, package him with a 1st, next years 1st and some extra draft capital, plus another salary or two they need to get off the books. Wouldn’t surprise me, Payton isn’t going to want to oversee some long rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: First of all the first round picks were not this year's - they were 2022 and 2023. So they're already worth less than 1st rounders in 2021. And one of the two firsts was clearly an exchange for taking on Goff's contract. The Lions got a 1st and a 3rd in "real" value for Stafford, and another 1st for the Goff contract, as I see it. I guess you could look at it as one of the firsts are in exchange for taking on Goff's contract. But the Rams are still eating 22 million in dead cap in 2021 as a result of the trade. So it isn't like the trade dumps that much money into their coffers and in fact combining Stafford's 2021 cap number and Goff's dead money in 2021 it will cost the Rams 8 million. The Rams save 14 million in 2022 but I doubt they paid a 1st round pick for a net of 6 million cap dollars over the course of two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I don't think it's a huge move but Carr would play perfect in the Patriots system imo. I don't think it's a huge move but Carr would play perfect in the Patriots system imo. I don't think it's a huge move but Carr would play perfect in the Patriots system imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: What team would in their right mind give up 2 number 1s for Carr? That stupidity is up there with the bills trading a 1st because Rob Johnson looked good in 1 game or the seahawks paying Matt Flynn 60 million because of 1 game in a week 17 meaningless match up Matt Flynn "only" got 20 million for 3 years with 9 guaranteed from Seattle. A massive overpay but not that tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Rumors are the Raiders are trying to trade Carr and a bunch of picks for Watson. For once the focus is on keep players and plugging up a piece or two. If the team resigns D.Williams, Mongo, Milano, Roberts, Ty and Barkley I don't see too many holes on this roster just a couple more pieces needed to get the team over KC. you are talking about a 25% roster update (including re-signing our own) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Rumors are the Raiders are trying to trade Carr and a bunch of picks for Watson. 'Bunch of picks' is NFL coachspeak for NPeterman. Not a bunch of draft picks. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 As much as this sounds like a Gruden decision, I still think Houston won’t do it. Once they hold tight past the draft, Watson doesn’t have leverage. Andrew Brandt made too much sense on his podcast. He’s on Ross Tucker’s show once a week. Very astute and knows the management role (Packers), and the agent side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I don’t see how any team is going to give away a ton of picks for Carr. I guess anything can happen. It’s a big gamble of assuming they have a deal with Houston for them to back out. It just seems too much like the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 No team is giving up two #1's for Carr. 1st and a 3rd? Maybe. Chicago possibly, Washington, or maybe Indy. This isn't a move LV makes unless they have the Watson deal already in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: Folks here being wrong not too long ago is irrelevant to the discussion today. Not really. speaks to ability to assess QB talent. Just like this past season a number of guys proclaimed Tua to be the real deal and an upcoming superstar. Yet he there is now tremendous noise around him being offloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) Tyrod Taylor is reportedly in demand too but guess what, people lie. . Edited February 3, 2021 by HOUSE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Tyrod Taylor is reportedly in Demand too but guess what, people lie. . 'People' = player agents? 🤔 *😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Add another to the QB carousel Multiple NFL sources=Gruden & Mayock. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Is Carr even worth one 1st round pick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 12 hours ago, Protocal69 said: When the Bills were going through the drought I cant remember a time where quality QB's were available for trade like now. We did trade for Bledsoe but that was it for 15+ years. Go figure Alex Smith. Culpepper. Brees was available at one time. Cassel. Cutler. Palmer. Foles. Bradford. Jimmy g. Tannehill. 3 hours ago, H2o said: No team is giving up two #1's for Carr. 1st and a 3rd? Maybe. Chicago possibly, Washington, or maybe Indy. This isn't a move LV makes unless they have the Watson deal already in place. I didn't think anyone would give up 2 1sts for Stafford either. 9 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: I could see the Saints throwing their hat into one of these QB trade situations. After whatever drama was going on with Michael Thomas, package him with a 1st, next years 1st and some extra draft capital, plus another salary or two they need to get off the books. Wouldn’t surprise me, Payton isn’t going to want to oversee some long rebuild. Honestly he'd be a good fit with New Orleans. But they arent trading picks - they're so cap screwed they need their picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 12 hours ago, billsfan89 said: He is worth more in my opinion. Young QB's who are elite are hard to find. But realistically the Texans are going to have to hope for a package of picks that includes 4 firsts as a bedrock. Maybe 5 1st rounders? lol come on. Gruden is the only guy in the NFL who would give up 4 1sts for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIrvine Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, SirAndrew said: I hope Watson goes to LA. It might help us by giving Mahomes a tougher path to the first round bye every season. Why would the Chargers trade for Watson? 13 hours ago, SirAndrew said: 13 hours ago, SirAndrew said: Edited February 3, 2021 by CIrvine Multiple posts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: Is Carr even worth one 1st round pick? Only one quarterback has a win against Mahomes this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Didn’t Matt Flynn sign with the bills at one point or am I misremembering my Matts He backed up Bills Legend Jeff Tuel for a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, H2o said: No team is giving up two #1's for Carr. 1st and a 3rd? Maybe. Chicago possibly, Washington, or maybe Indy. This isn't a move LV makes unless they have the Watson deal already in place. I would say that no one is trading a first for Carr, but then again, I thought Matt Stafford was barely worth a third rounder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, CIrvine said: Why would the Chargers trade for Watson? My mistake, meant to say LV. I can’t keep track of where the Raiders are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 14 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: If I were a team in need of a QB, I’d actually go after Mariota over Carr. Didn't think it would be the very first post of the day that I've read, which may be the very worst post of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 12 hours ago, prissythecat said: Not too long ago a number of folks here considered Carr a stud. Correction: he's a bum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Correction: he's a bum. Imo, he is neither. In the couple of games I saw this year, he seemed to show flashes of the talent he displayed in his first couple of years. But something is off now and I couldnt place my finger on it (and I dont have the inclination to re-watch Raiders games). Not supported by stats, but I feel he could still serve as an adequate starter if the rest of the team is above average. Or as a bridge QB. I for one am not ready to relegate him to the scrap heap yet. But I do think Gruden is very optimistic if he thinks he can get 2 x 1st round picks for him 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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