Chuck Schick Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: The Colts O-Line absolutely destroyed our D-Line and I think that spilled into our LB’s making poor decisions. The Colts O-Line was just pushing us off the LOS like it was child’s play, Im surprised they didn’t run the football a lot more then they already did. The Good news is we will not see a O-Line of that caliber the rest of the way. The Colts are a very good team capable of beating any team in the playoffs. 100% spot on. DLine was completely nullified which puts an incredible amount of pressure on the LBs. Add in some extremely accurate throws and a strong RB, and its gonna make almost any linebacker look bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I meant in prior games. That’s not accurate either. He doesn’t have a 100% sack rate when blitzing. Klein also has 1.5 more sacks than Milano and didn’t play the whole year injured and miss a bunch of games Edited January 10, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 No contract extension for you 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: That’s not accurate either. He doesn’t have a 100% sack rate when blitzing I digress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) Ha ha this thread. Milano made very good plays, and yes, many mistakes, and was a split second late many times. But to bench him? Wow Too bad though with the way Klein suddenly "woke up" mid-season that there isn't a way to keep these 3 LBs on the field more. Edmunds had one of his best games. But nope, Milano stays Edit: that loss must sting for Rivers, but he won't be physically hurting today! He had very little pressure. Makes it hard for the LB and secondary to cover guys. As mentioned a lot already, that Colts O-Line deserve the credit more than the Bills players the blame! It was a playoff 11-5 team. Not the NY Jets! Edited January 10, 2021 by Jerome007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I am so happy that fans don’t make in game or personnel decisions, the team wouldn’t have made it thru the first half of the season if they did... Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I guess I'm going to put in my two cents. The Colts were using a mixture of a ding-and-dunk passing game AND big good offensive linemen . ( https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/colts-2020-position-by-position-running-backs/ar-BB170uKu ) to create holes for two good running backs. J.Taylor was a round 2 pick, the 41st pick. We may also see Akers (rams #52), Dobbins (Ravens #55), Gibson (Wash #66, ) , or Vaugh (TB #76) in future games this year. These were all drafted before Moss (#86 buffalo). .... .... Offensives sometimes concentrate their game plan on a specific part of the opponent's defence. The Colts concentrated on the linebackers. Short passes AND short running plays put the stress on the linebackers- and they had a lot of blockers and planned deceptions directed primarily on them. It game the defensive backs an easier game, but the success and yardage gains of the Colts depended upon making the LB lives miserable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Edmunds had something like 3 big pass breakups. maybe he can convert to Big Nickel 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Is this the line for hot takes? I would like an order of hot takes, please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 You know our players are going up against really good players too. You don't win every play. Just the same we need to play better I got more appreciation of Rivers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Back2Buff said: I'm not sure I have ever seen a worse performance from a LB. Every single play the Bills were beat on was because of him. The guy was blitzing the wrong lane, missing tackles, not staying with his man in coverage, and consistently out of position. They needed to make the switch early to go to Klein and Milano should have been glued to bench. Just Stop. 4 minutes ago, Frat-Train said: Is this the line for hot takes? I would like an order of hot takes, please. They tend to be steaming and smell awful, you sure about that? I recommend the poutine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just Stop. They tend to be steaming and smell awful, you sure about that? I recommend the poutine. I just flushed a hot take. TMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Back2Buff said: I'm not sure I have ever seen a worse performance from a LB. Every single play the Bills were beat on was because of him. The guy was blitzing the wrong lane, missing tackles, not staying with his man in coverage, and consistently out of position. They needed to make the switch early to go to Klein and Milano should have been glued to bench. Great example of a fickle fan that is lacking insight. I can’t believe anyone would want Milano on the bench if he is healthy enough to play. He blitzed in the lane that the defense calls for and if the DL is getting handled and blown out - which they were, he cannot fix that. Klein was some strengths but coverage is not one of them. The blown coverage on the TD was clearly a hand off to White who had responsibility for that player deep. It’s called a “zone defense”. The defense as a unit had a rough game, especially the front 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 44 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: This is an incredibly dumb thread. Milano had a bad game by his standards but he's a top-3 asset for our defense after Tre and Poyer. If you watched the Colts destroy our D in the 4th with two consecutive TD drives (one under 3 mins and one under 2 mins) then this is not a dumb thread. Consistently giving up 3rd and longs and 4th and longs was brutal to watch. I know this board loves Tremaine as the "modern coverage MLB" but his has been, and still is, a major liability stopping the run. On screens and dump offs he is regularly owned by the OL and cannot shed a block. Milano is active but small. He got pushed around engaged. I think more of Klein yesterday would have helped on run stuff and blitzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjpbills Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 He did lead the team with 11 tackles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said: Regarding Milano not staying with his man in coverage, are you referring to the play where Milano passed off his guy to the Tre as per the design of the defense, but Tre mistakenly went in the wrong direction? Is that what happened? It looked that way to me, too. Someone didn't know what was supposed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, mjpbills said: He did lead the team with 11 tackles. Don't forget the PD Just now, Shaw66 said: Is that what happened? It looked that way to me, too. Someone didn't know what was supposed to happen. That was my impression, zone D busted coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyBeets Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Shaw66 said: Is that what happened? It looked that way to me, too. Someone didn't know what was supposed to happen. I think he expected safety help, but the safety gave help to Tre. That play had way too long to develop because of our inadequate defensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s a football chat room. Relax. I’m pretty sure Milano isn’t on here. It’s OK to ‘chat’ about the game. That’s the definition of a CHAT ROOM . 😉 Tell that to the English professors here 😜 I don't think they got the memo 😆 ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: Milano was also the one that got the stop on Indy's first 2 pt conversion attempt. Yes he had a bad game, it doesn't erase all the good he has done this year Yes not his best game. Agree seems like TW blew the coverage on wide open TE TD. A couple plays he was certainly beat on but he also made some plays and along w Poyer saved the day ( oops not so much). Who exactly should have come in for him? Does the fact they may have out schemed us factor in ? Edited January 10, 2021 by QLBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, DrPJax said: Go back and focus on edmunds. He was terrible. Arm tackles which backs and other break , gets stoned at the line , was driven yards backwards by the opponent’s tight ends , drops back all the time behind the sticks or yardage need for a first down and waits for the ball carrier to come towards him as he never drives thru a tackle or hit. If this is a pro bowl lb , guys like Conan , bennnet, spikes, etc should be HOF by now. Milano does cover well , does make tackles for loss , deflected passes today , and does cause fumbles ( was in on the stop that should have been ruled a fumble today). Both LBS today were hampered by Frazier’s crazy’s drop back schemes today. Other than the whiff on 4th and 1 on Taylor at the end I thought Edmunds was very good. Milano did have a really poor game by his standards, although on first look I thought the wide open pass to Doyle was on Tre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 It's certainly fair to be concerned about Milano's play - not sure what the deal is with so many fans who can't stand some very specific concerns being discussed. This topic will become a very big deal in the offseason when the Bills have to decide if they are paying him an estimated $13M/year the last time I heard a number for Milano. Based on his performance this season, and his injury troubles (he's undersized, so it's no surprise he gets hurt), I'd have trouble with him getting a big contract. He does a lot I like, he plays with great fire and usually when healthy, great speed, but particularly on a team that starts only two LB's, I don't think they can afford to make someone his size be one of the two. Maybe if they could find an elite NT with size to compensate? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 No doubt, Milano had a bad day. Watching him @ the stadium, it was pretty apparent that he was being picked on in the passing game. That one deep TD bust looked like he was actually a Tre White bust, but that aside Milano was consistently beat in the pass game. Tough day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Sorry buffalo2218 quoted wrong post. We are on same page on Milano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: You know our players are going up against really good players too. You don't win every play. Just the same we need to play better I got more appreciation of Rivers Rivers is not still playing in his 17th season at age 39 because he's a slouch. He's spent most of his career without a good enough team around him. He knows where to go and he gets the ball out fast. In particular, this game plan was designed to help him get the ball out fast. Reich is a very good coach. Hindsight gives me a different perspective on how much of the Eagles 2017 offense was Pederson and how much was Reich - we now have 3 years of data saying "just maybe Reich had a lot to do with it. He sounded VERY confident before the game that he had "solved" us. He said after the game "I didn't think they could stop us, and they couldn't". Well, not quite, Frank - you did have two punts, two FG (one missed), and two TOD to go with your 3 TDs, so there was some "stopping you" involved. Did we make some mistakes on D that we need to fix and put some stuff on film other teams will look to exploit, sure. But that happens every Sunday. We also had some stunningly good defensive play, and the higher the stakes were the more it counted. Reich said in his postgame presser that he was sure the play where our D stuffed them for a 4 yd loss on 3rd down would be a walk-in TD. The previous down was supposed to be a TD too. I think it was Hyde who met the RB in the hole and said "me or you, fellow, and it's gonna be ME". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Yes not his best game. Agree seems like TW blew the coverage on wide open TE TD. A couple plays he was certainly beat on but he also made some plays and along w Poyer saved the day ( oops not so much). Who exactly should have come in for him? Does the fact they may have out schemed us factor in ? If the Colts had won the game, their MVP would have been their O line. That was a championship caliber O line without question. I don't think any defense from any other team would have had success against them. For all the talk about how bad the D played, they showed up when it mattered in the red zone. And they really put the clamp down on Indy's final drive 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, BobChalmers said: It's certainly fair to be concerned about Milano's play - not sure what the deal is with so many fans who can't stand some very specific concerns being discussed. There's a difference between discussing very specific concerns, and just dumping on a player with the title of this thread and the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Back2Buff said: There was way more than 1 play. He jumped Offside in first half which resulted in a huge free play to Indy. OHMIGOD a player drew a penalty, KILL HIM. If he jumped Offside consistently in the game, or every game, this would be a problem. But he doesn't and didn't. I'm not going to bother with the rest. You have no idea what lane he was supposed to be in on a blitz and NEWS FLASH: we have rookie RBs who enable key plays by blocking great players like Bosa. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Not sure it's been discussed, but it was Milano who stopped Jonathan Taylor's two point conversion attempt with his quick penetration and tackle behind the LOS. But sure, saving 2 points is basically meaningless so carry on... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: If the Colts had won the game, their MVP would have been their O line. That was a championship caliber O line without question. I don't think any defense from any other team would have had success against them. For all the talk about how bad the D played, they showed up when it mattered in the red zone. And they really put the clamp down on Indy's final drive Totally! Once they set the tone against our line, things got tougher on our backers. They played outstanding and gave their statue QB a clean pocket. Kudos to that group. I have zero worries about Milano, save for when my kids finish the bag and I don’t get one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: All I can say is that when Klein was sent on a blitz, he got home When was Klein sent on a blitz yesterday? Klein literally played three (3) defensive snaps. He had 0 tackles, 0 QB hits, and 0 sacks in those 3 snaps. If you're comparing how a different player performed against a different OL in different game plan, I'm sorry that is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Blitzing in the wrong lane? How could you possibly know that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Edmunds is an anomaly for sure. I’m not a big fan. He’s around the ball a lot as you’d expect from a MLB, but he’s a head scratcher for me on many plays. It’s a football chat room. Relax. I’m pretty sure Milano isn’t on here. It’s OK to ‘chat’ about the game. That’s the definition of a CHAT ROOM . 😉 This is a Chat Room? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, BobChalmers said: It's certainly fair to be concerned about Milano's play - not sure what the deal is with so many fans who can't stand some very specific concerns being discussed. This topic will become a very big deal in the offseason when the Bills have to decide if they are paying him an estimated $13M/year the last time I heard a number for Milano. Based on his performance this season, and his injury troubles (he's undersized, so it's no surprise he gets hurt), I'd have trouble with him getting a big contract. He does a lot I like, he plays with great fire and usually when healthy, great speed, but particularly on a team that starts only two LB's, I don't think they can afford to make someone his size be one of the two. Maybe if they could find an elite NT with size to compensate? I totally agree with everything you said here. I really thought Milano had a stinker too...it does not erase the good he's been, but it really needs to be broken down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, MJS said: Blitzing in the wrong lane? How could you possibly know that? He doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Back2Buff said: I'm not sure I have ever seen a worse performance from a LB. Every single play the Bills were beat on was because of him. The guy was blitzing the wrong lane, missing tackles, not staying with his man in coverage, and consistently out of position. They needed to make the switch early to go to Klein and Milano should have been glued to bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) As I said elsewhere, Cookie had a good first half and a nightmare 2nd half. As far as him jumping Offside, he was timing the play clock. It looked worse in real time, but in slo mo, he was Offside by a toenail. Cut the dude some slack. Edited January 10, 2021 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I believe he got torched by Jack Doyle 2 times. One for a TD where he was WIDE open and a 2 point conversion. Not good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Back2Buff said: I'm not sure I have ever seen a worse performance from a LB. Every single play the Bills were beat on was because of him. The guy was blitzing the wrong lane, missing tackles, not staying with his man in coverage, and consistently out of position. They needed to make the switch early to go to Klein and Milano should have been glued to bench. Thank god you are not a Bills coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Back2Buff said: Let's also be honest with ourselves and notice that this D was best when Milano was a rotational player. When Milano was playing just 3rd downs, and Klein was playing the majority, this D was rocking. Good point honestly. I hadn’t really thought of it that way. Klein appeared to be one hell of a good pass rusher when used properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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