NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 My short term memory is crappola, so can't remember if it was Sal on his WGR show this morning or the 1st hour of OBL, but the point was made that we shouldn't be so focused on losing Dabs being the end all be all for Allen--the Bills will be such an attractive landing spot for OC's with Josh at the helm, that McD will have his hands full fielding all the calls from ueber-qualified candidates wanting it that we will prolly wind up with a top 5 in the league-type candidate regardless! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quincy Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Should Daboll be offered the Jets job and decide to take it he knows that he is in for a tough road ahead. Bills won 13 games this year, Miami 10 and the remaining team has BB who know doubt will be determined to show that this past losing season is a blip. In all probability the Jets will finish 4th in the AFCE next year. If I was him, I'd be patient and wait for the Chargers opening and relish the opportunity to work with an old friend and do battle with Reid and Mahomes - if not stay in Buffalo and continue the good work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitian Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 For someone to take the Jets job at this point it has to be because they simply want to be a head coach...period, and don't care how they get it as long as they get that job title. OR they're so full of themselves that they think they have the midas touch to magically turn them around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 If I'm Daboll I definitely want to go to the Chargers or the Jaguars, not the dumpster fire that is the NY Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Poor guy. I really hope he doesn't end up there. I have a feeling he will be going to the Chargers. Of course, I really hope he ends up staying here. I know the Pegulas would be happy to increase his salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronthebaron Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Please no. I expected lose him but thought it’d be Chargers or Jaguars to help their young QB’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Interviewing for the Jets' HC job seems like diving into an empty swimming pool. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, bills6969 said: Nightmare scenario: Daboll goes to Jets and drafts Zach Wilson. I don’t want to lose Daboll, but if he does take a head coaching job I definitely don’t want it to be with the Jets and then have to face him twice a year when he has intimate knowledge of Allen’s strengths and weaknesses more than probably anyone else on the planet. If he goes, he needs to go far away, preferably to an NFC team but not to a division rival, as bad as they currently may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, dneveu said: I'd say considerably better. Mahomes career YPA is over a yard higher than Herbert. Same with Mahomes NY/A and ANY/A. Sure - he has Kelce and Hill (occaisionally watkins too). But Herbert has Allen (best slot WR in the NFL), Hunter Henry (top 5 TE), and one of the best receiving backs in the NFL in Ekeler. Mahomes is an MVP winner, Super bowl MVP, and Super bowl winner. The guy slings it all over the field, has a cannon, and plays his best football in crunch time. Herbert had moments this year, however his top 3 targets (henry, allen, ekeler) all had aDOTs under 8 yards. He also had about 150 RB targets where they all had a sub 0 aDOT. Thats basically if 2/3 targets went to cole beasley and singletary. Not to say that he can't make downfield throws, because he did - just trying to say that he did not attack down field as much, or as often. Mahomes is in his 4th year...he didn't do what Herbert did as a rookie...he barely played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billznut said: I don’t want to lose Daboll, but if he does take a head coaching job I definitely don’t want it to be with the Jets and then have to face him twice a year when he has intimate knowledge of Allen’s strengths and weaknesses more than probably anyone else on the planet. If he goes, he needs to go far away, preferably to an NFC team but not to a division rival, as bad as they currently may be. It’s just as likely that he is the next Freddie Kitchens as opposed to the next good HC. Coordinators becoming HC is a toss up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: If I'm Daboll I definitely want to go to the Chargers or the Jaguars, not the dumpster fire that is the NY Jets. Not sure I'd want to go to the Jags, knowing that the owner is still going to be the one handling the personnel there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Big Turk said: Mahomes is in his 4th year...he didn't do what Herbert did as a rookie...he barely played. He didn't play at all as a rookie. Just saying - almost 2/3 of Herberts targets had an average depth of target shorter than 8 yards. His intended air yards per attempt was 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 He would be great for Darnold, but he has to see that it's going to be a tough division to find success going forward. So I would bet that the Jets are not his first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Aaronthebaron said: Please no. I expected lose him but thought it’d be Chargers or Jaguars to help their young QB’s. Chargers have Herbert and great weather - is Daboll a California guy? West Coast is far from his roots. Jax as a city, has really nothing to offer over Buffalo, but with the #1 pick, the HC job might be compelling. Houston has Deshawn Watson and a huge market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Has anyone heard if Daboll is actually interested in becoming a head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, dneveu said: He didn't play at all as a rookie. Just saying - almost 2/3 of Herberts targets had an average depth of target shorter than 8 yards. His intended air yards per attempt was 7. Is that on him or on the offense they were running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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clayboy54 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Jobot said: Has anyone heard if Daboll is actually interested in becoming a head coach? On New Years Eve, a younger woman was overheard asking him, "Are you interested in being a head coach?" He replied, "Sure if you wanna learn, I can coach you." <rimshot> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Dabol is not going to the jets.....not if he has a brain in his head He did coach their QBs in 2007-2008 (see Chad Penningon and Brett Favre). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, CommonCents said: It’s just as likely that he is the next Freddie Kitchens as opposed to the next good HC. Coordinators becoming HC is a toss up. Yeah but they get paid $25-$30M guaranteed money to find out if they are a HC failure or not.... And then if he is a failure he can go back to being an OC ... probably even back here if the timing was right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domitian Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 All the "insider" reports from Jax are that they are only interested in someone with HC experience at the pro or college level. Not seriously going to consider a promotion for a OC or DC. If I'm Daboll, I'd rather stay OC in Buffalo than a doomed HC with the Jets or Lions, but Chargers would be a dream job. I think it may be difficult for the Jets or Lions to attract a truly "hot" candidate. Much like for a Bills. McDermott wasn't burning up the rumor mill with being a hot hire. I think they'll need to look beyond the guys who are getting all the buzz because I'm not sure they'd be interested in that tire fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I kinda doubt the Jets have enough brinks trucks to lure Daboll to a beaten, broken and battered franchise. From Daboll's perspective, "you want me to basically pass up Josh Allen for Sam Darnold? I thought you guys already did that yourselves" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (1/2) Odds to be the next head coach of the Jets (BetOnline): Daboll +300 Bieniemy/Eberflus +600 J. Brady +650 Riley +700 Campbell +750 Schottenheimer +1000 Toub +1000 Harbaugh +1000 Saleh +1000 A. Smith +1200 O'Brien +1200 Pagano +1200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 37 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Is that on him or on the offense they were running? Air yards isn't indicative of success as an offense - look at ben and brees this year, they were both very low and had successful offenses. Just saying - he threw a ton behind the LOS and within 5-10 yards. A lot of teams do this, he did it more than most. You won't put up Mahomes numbers playing that way either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Air yards isn't indicative of success as an offense - look at ben and brees this year, they were both very low and had successful offenses. Just saying - he threw a ton behind the LOS and within 5-10 yards. A lot of teams do this, he did it more than most. You won't put up Mahomes numbers playing that way either. I mean he isn't far behind....4,336 yards passing in 15 games isn't that far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Gase has a better chance of getting rehired than the chance of daboll taking that job. No way he even considers it. He will probably go interview for a free steak ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Big Turk said: I mean he isn't far behind....4,336 yards passing in 15 games isn't that far off. Sure - but the offense was 9th in yards and 18th in scoring. They couldn't run the ball (Bottom 5 in YPC), so they'd pass as an extension of the run. They also were a full yard per play behind KC. Even with mahomes contract I'd take him over Herbert every time. He elevates the players around him, Herbert's numbers suggest the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 This is an interesting interactive. Suggests Daboll should go to the Chargers. Nobody matches to an "A" to the Jets. Surprised? https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/30537412/play-matchmaker-nfl-head-coach-carousel-make-your-pick-texans-lions-falcons-jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: He did coach their QBs in 2007-2008 (see Chad Penningon and Brett Favre). That Favre guy had a bit of success after his stint with the Jets. 😉 Edited January 4, 2021 by WhoTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Dabol is not going to the jets.....not if he has a brain in his head That's my opinion...but then I didn't think Pettine would "jump ship" as DC to take the HC job for the Browns and it was "hey, y'all, Watch This!". If I were Daboll, I want the Chargers (where he knows the GM, and where the QB looks super-promising and there's a lot of talent on the roster already). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Success said: He'd be the right guy for the Jets. They need someone to develop a QB - whether that's sticking w/ Darnold, or Fields. He's probably the best candidate for that. But please, universe - no. he isn’t for the jets situation. Not a good pick. the Jets need a HC who has head coaching experience. if he was to get hired it be eith Houston or charchers where they both have a similar QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, Pokebball said: This is an interesting interactive. Suggests Daboll should go to the Chargers. Nobody matches to an "A" to the Jets. Surprised? https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/30537412/play-matchmaker-nfl-head-coach-carousel-make-your-pick-texans-lions-falcons-jobs LOL at this. Someone didn't proofread too carefully. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Jobot said: Has anyone heard if Daboll is actually interested in becoming a head coach? 1) He interviewed for the Browns job last year 2) someone here said they heard he already had feelers out for putting together a staff 3) McDermott was asked about what it was like to balance working towards that next step (HC) while still trying to do a good job as coordinator, and part of his response was that "Brian has done a good job" (of balancing the two). This strongly implies Daboll is working to prepare himself for HC opportunities I would say the preponderance of the evidence is he wants it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, buffalo2218 said: I kinda doubt the Jets have enough brinks trucks to lure Daboll to a beaten, broken and battered franchise. From Daboll's perspective, "you want me to basically pass up Josh Allen for Sam Darnold? I thought you guys already did that yourselves" I think a lot of HC candidates would be drawn into a "broken situation", a small improvement and they can look like a miracle worker. It will come down to the ownership, the $ and the power. Similar to what Beane/McDermott have done. It will ultimately come down to the ownership,the autonomy & t power and the $. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I think a lot of HC candidates would be drawn into a "broken situation", a small improvement and they can look like a miracle worker. It will come down to the ownership, the $ and the power. Similar to what Beane/McDermott have done. It will ultimately come down to the ownership,the autonomy & t power and the $. For the Jets, I will say as far as the owners, they are not only hands off, but pretty much oblivious compared to some team like say Dallas. That in itself may lure someone, but no coaching candidate out there would pass up the Chargers for the Jets. Hell I could see some current head coaches leaving their team to go coach there Edited January 4, 2021 by buffalo2218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I'm happy for Brian Daboll that he is getting consideration. But at the same time, I shake my head every year (on Black Monday) when teams start their interviews and cycle through the latest "hot names" on the coaching list... In other words, the offensive/defensive coordinators who just happened to have success in 2020. No offense to Daboll, because he's done a great job for us THIS year. And for the sake of continuity, I would love for him to stay in Buffalo. However, the guy has been a coach in the NFL for almost 20 years, and got his first stint as an offensive coordinator back in 2009. Why is he just getting recognition now? If we are being honest, very few people knew who Daboll even was until this season. And that just happened to be after the Bills front office overloaded the offense with ridiculous levels of talent and Josh Allen suddenly started playing at an MVP level. Remember when Seattle's offense was really good (before Marshawn Lynch retired), and Darrell Bevell was one of the big names around the league? How about Adam Gase when Denver had Peyton Manning? I seem to recall Anthony Lynn doing a pretty good job at OC here too. Teams are going to expect Daboll to just come in, and magically develop their young QB into the next Josh Allen. Good luck. Instead, they should be looking for a great leader, who can work seamlessly with their GM. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said: For the Jets, I will say as far as the owners, they are not only hands off, but pretty much oblivious compared to some team like say Dallas. That in itself may lure someone, but no coaching candidate out there would pass up the Chargers for the Jets. Hell I could see some current head coaches leaving their team to go coach there Jets do have a lot of draft capital and some may be intrigued by the "glamor" of NYC metro area...that is until they pay taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: I'm happy for Brian Daboll that he is getting consideration. But at the same time, I shake my head every year (on Black Monday) when teams start their interviews and cycle through the latest "hot names" on the coaching list... In other words, the offensive/defensive coordinators who just happened to have success in 2020. No offense to Daboll, because he's done a great job for us THIS year. And for the sake of continuity, I would love for him to stay in Buffalo. However, the guy has been a coach in the NFL for almost 20 years, and got his first stint as an offensive coordinator back in 2009. Why is he just getting recognition now? If we are being honest, very few people knew who Daboll even was until this season. And that just happened to be after the Bills front office overloaded the offense with ridiculous levels of talent and Josh Allen suddenly started playing at an MVP level. Remember when Seattle's offense was really good (before Marshawn Lynch retired), and Darrell Bevell was one of the big names around the league? How about Adam Gase when Denver had Peyton Manning? I seem to recall Anthony Lynn doing a pretty good job at OC here too. Teams are going to expect Daboll to just come in, and magically develop their young QB into the next Josh Allen. Good luck. Instead, they should be looking for a great leader, who can work seamlessly with their GM. Folks are looking at Josh Allen week 1 of 2018 and then his performance this year and saying “I want the guy who helped make that happen.” It’s not crazy. Besides, it sometimes works. McVay worked. Kyle Shanahan worked. Matt LeFleur worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big74Mac Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Please Terry and Kim make Brian Daboll the highest paid OC in the league so he does not leave. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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