Update: Beasley Out for Miami game. Beasley Injury Thread

[Matt_In_NH]

10 hours ago, Special K said:

 

This is what concerns me......I hope that's not the case, but it could be.

That is true but I think that is low likelyhood.  THey would have tested the knee stability on the bench and he would nto have been allowed to walk off if they thought it was his ACL.  Usually the doctors know by checking them out and do the MRI to confirm.  

[SCBills]

So worst case scenario, and Beasley misses some time, I have to imagine we roll 3-wide with Diggs, Brown and Davis - Knox at TE - rotating Moss/Singletary with some McKenzie sprinkled in.

 

If I had to guess, Diggs might play more out of the slot with Brown and Davis outside.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, hemma said:

how about Poyer .... did he have a concussion?

He came back in after halftime, so he passed protocol.

[nkreed]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

He came back into the game, so that tells me no concussion.

That's correct. I kept yelling at the MNF crew to tell us he was back on the field.

[Xwnyer]

Love all this diagnosis by Internet doctors welcome to the world of telemedicine 

[MasterStrategist]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I would say there is definitely some damage to the LCL.... that is the ligament on the outside of the knee and that seemed to be where the attention was focused. But as was pointed out in the game day thread, that often comes with an unwanted side order of ACL or meniscus damage. Fingers crossed at this stage but if he really was limping badly come hours later the chances are it is at best a bad ligament sprain that is 2-3 weeks. Think that is the absolute best case scenario at this point. 

Fair assessment, but everything is a pure guess right now (unless.someone has insider info).  For example, I also.saw trainers pointing to outside of knee, but maybe it was "knee to knee" or some contusion.  Looked like he took a strange step with left knee to adjust to under thrown pass, but leg wasn't straight (so no hyperextension i wouldn't think), but then his knee bumps against the patriot defender at the end of play.

 

I'm not a trained medical staffer, but know many and have worked with many.  Enough to know that the trainers should know if any ligament damage is a concern, and if so, he would immediately be on crutches or had the leg wrapped in ice.  Who knows at this point, but my guess is a contusion or mild sprain of some sort and he will be ok for next week

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

Fair assessment, but everything is a pure guess right now (unless.someone has insider info).  For example, I also.saw trainers pointing to outside of knee, but maybe it was "knee to knee" or some contusion.  Looked like he took a strange step with left knee to adjust to under thrown pass, but leg wasn't straight (so no hyperextension i wouldn't think), but then his knee bumps against the patriot defender at the end of play.

 

I'm not a trained medical staffer, but know many and have worked with many.  Enough to know that the trainers should know if any ligament damage is a concern, and if so, he would immediately be on crutches or had the leg wrapped in ice.  Who knows at this point, but my guess is a contusion or mild sprain of some sort and he will be ok for next week

 

Most of my knowledge about knees is from playing and coaching soccer. I have seen just about every combination of knee injury going. But you are right I am not a doctor. Just think based on how it occurred, the attention we saw on the sidelines and the report of how he was at the airport that is the most likely concern. You don't necessarily put ligament injuries straight on crutches either, though I agree that the fact that he hasn't been seen on crutches is at least a positive indication that it is at the milder end of the scale of injury we could be looking at. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Most of my knowledge about knees is from playing and coaching soccer. I have seen just about every combination of knee injury going. But you are right I am not a doctor. Just think based on how it occurred, the attention we saw on the sidelines and the report of how he was at the airport that is the most likely concern. You don't necessarily put ligament injuries straight on crutches either, though I agree that the fact that he hasn't been seen on crutches is at least a positive indication that it is at the milder end of the scale of injury we could be looking at. 

Most ACLs that are non contact have a pop, where the athlete lifts their leg mid-play.

 

Beasley finished out the play, but he took a hard plant step with his left leg, I don’t see the knee “buckle”.

 

When he gets up, his facial expression isn’t dire pain, but his legs are crossed as he tries to stand up.

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Most of my knowledge about knees is from playing and coaching soccer. I have seen just about every combination of knee injury going. But you are right I am not a doctor. Just think based on how it occurred, the attention we saw on the sidelines and the report of how he was at the airport that is the most likely concern. You don't necessarily put ligament injuries straight on crutches either, though I agree that the fact that he hasn't been seen on crutches is at least a positive indication that it is at the milder end of the scale of injury we could be looking at. 

I have been around football, coaching and playing for a long period, and would say that many athletic trainers are going to very cautious if they suspect any knee ligament damage (mcl, acl, lcl, or pcl) and limit the swelling, by keeping said players motion to a minimum. 

 

Not a battle of who knows more or who is right, i know we're both hoping for the best.  Just my opinion from my experience that this doesn't seem to be serious.

 

Go Bills! Beas is a tough dude, prayers its a minor thing

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Most ACLs that are non contact have a pop, where the athlete lifts their leg mid-play.

 

Beasley finished out the play, but he took a hard plant step with his left leg, I don’t see the knee “buckle”.

 

When he gets up, his facial expression isn’t dire pain, but his legs are crossed as he tries to stand up.

 

Yea I agree. I don't think it looked in the way the injury occurred like an ACL. I think it is much more likely an LCL sprain / tear. The dire pain thing isn't relevant. I have seen ACLs go without dire pain. Remember a friend of mine doing his in a Cup Final. I was stood 3 feet away from him and heard it pop. He was trying to play on said he couldn't feel anything. I made the manager take him off it was clearly an ACL, but they don't all create immediate writhing pain. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by GunnerBill

[YoloinOhio]

Who replaces him in the slot in the playoffs if he can’t go? Gabe Davis?

[Toledo Bill]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Who replaces him in the slot in the playoffs if he can’t go? Gabe Davis?

I would think McKenzie but he is so involved with motion, the backfield, etc it might make more sense with Davis.

[PetermansRedemption]

The only good thing about this injury is they should be getting John Brown back. So you go from Diggs, Beasley, Davis to Diggs, Brown, Davis. I’d imagine Davis becomes our slot man. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Who replaces him in the slot in the playoffs if he can’t go? Gabe Davis?

Diggs does some fine work from the slot. Maybe Mackenzie in 4 we sets? Not sure Gabe is shifty enough 

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Who replaces him in the slot in the playoffs if he can’t go? Gabe Davis?

slot requires a quicker player than Davis

[MasterStrategist]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Who replaces him in the slot in the playoffs if he can’t go? Gabe Davis?

My guess would be a collective group...we know Daboll is extremely balanced, and will move ppl around (motion or lining up as the #1, #2,#3 receiver).  So I wouldn't expect 1 player, but it would be a huge loss.

 

That said, I've said it multiple times here and sticking with it until I hear otherwise, that I think Beas is fine (contusion/very mild strain or sprain) 

[fasteddie]

30 minutes ago, nkreed said:

That's correct. I kept yelling at the MNF crew to tell us he was back on the field.

They were too busy talking about Bellicheat.

[HOUSE]

32 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

Love all this diagnosis by Internet doctors welcome to the world of telemedicine 

 

Could be Lupus

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Diggs does some fine work from the slot. Maybe Mackenzie in 4 we sets? Not sure Gabe is shifty enough 

Davis isn’t as shifty as Beasley but I believe they said he can play any WR position on the field, and with John Brown coming back seems like he could fill in there (won’t be as effective obviously). Just hope Cole is ok. 

[oldmanfan]

It could be anything.  Personally I thought he may have jammed his toe into the turf.  We'll know later on today, but if it had been really serious odds are much stronger he gets driven off in the cart.

[Process]

I get very nervous when I see Yolo was the last to reply to this thread.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It could be anything.  Personally I thought he may have jammed his toe into the turf.  We'll know later on today, but if it had been really serious odds are much stronger he gets driven off in the cart.

We probably won't know anything until tomorrow at the earliest. McDermott is always very quiet on injuries until Wednesday.

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Davis isn’t as shifty as Beasley but I believe they said he can play any WR position on the field, and with John Brown coming back seems like he could fill in there (won’t be as effective obviously). Just hope Cole is ok. 

 

What scares me about putting Davis in the slot is that he does not fight for the ball well (yet).  Without the ability to separate like Beasley, he's going to have to be more aggressive in getting the ball if he has to slide in there. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by SectionC3

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Davis isn’t as shifty as Beasley but I believe they said he can play any WR position on the field, and with John Brown coming back seems like he could fill in there (won’t be as effective obviously). Just hope Cole is ok. 

We'll probably have to watch McKenzie catching the ball and immediately retreating 2-3 yards...

[dollars 2 donuts]

If it is turf toe (weeks injury) during meaningless time in a long over game I am going to punch myself in the face as hard as I can until I pass out or vomit, whichever comes first.  

 

EDIT:  And I am now so very firmly in the category of "sit everybody" you can't even imagine.  It's like I have been reborn and see the light in all its glory.  I have been in the desert and have now found the Oasis.  Like I stuck my hand in an old coat pocket and I found a twenty dollar bill I didn't even know that I had there.

Edited December 29, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

What scares me about putting Davis in the slot is that he does not fight for the ball well (yet).  Without the ability to separate like Beasley, he's going to have to be more aggressive in getting the ball if he has to slide in there. 

The slot receiver is usually more of a quick separation guy, not a fight-for-the-ball guy. McKenzie is Beasley's sub. If they want someone to muscle out tight catches, they'd call up Duke, but that's not going to happen.

[LeviF]

22 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

Could be Lupus

 

It's never Lupus - you should know!

[Buffalo Junction]

5 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

The slot receiver is usually more of a quick separation guy, not a fight-for-the-ball guy. McKenzie is Beasley's sub. If they want someone to muscle out tight catches, they'd call up Duke, but that's not going to happen.

They can also play Brown in the slot if they want to. IIRC he put up a 1,000 yard season from the slot when on the Cardinals. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Daboll go that route as it might catch the first team by surprise for a drive. 

[SectionC3]

24 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

The slot receiver is usually more of a quick separation guy, not a fight-for-the-ball guy. McKenzie is Beasley's sub. If they want someone to muscle out tight catches, they'd call up Duke, but that's not going to happen.

Yeah, except when the corner sits on and breaks on a route.  And of Davis isn’t as quick as Beasley and isn’t running the whip and option routes ...  it’s an issue. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by SectionC3

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

They can also play Brown in the slot if they want to. IIRC he put up a 1,000 yard season from the slot when on the Cardinals. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Daboll go that route as it might catch the first team by surprise for a drive. 

Daboll but speed in the slot at the end of 2018.  It’s a really good idea. 

[wjag]

1 hour ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

McDermott will do his Zoom with the media around 4:30 PM, any update will come then.

 

No it won't.  he will say and I quote "I don't have an update on that yet".  No need to watch.  Someone from GMFB will leak something out before we ever find out from the Bills FO.

[sonyab1974]

11 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

I'd be more concerned about the light from the Kenny Rogers' Roasters across the street.

 

 

Well, yeah If the whole Bills team don't get enough sleep because of that light, then we are doomed!!!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

It was that jarring large step that seemed to cause this.

[nkreed]

34 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

It's never Lupus - you should know!

Except when it is....

 

https://youtu.be/AbZ7EpmaK_o

[DrDawkinstein]

Even if it is worst case scenario - we have John Brown in our pocket, ready to come back.

 

I'd love to ADD Smoke, but if it's a well-timed swap with a Beasley injury, we'll be ok.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Who replaces him in the slot in the playoffs if he can’t go? Gabe Davis?

I think a combination- Davis, Diggs, McKittrick, and TEs (Kroft and Knox) depending on route and gameplan.

Edited December 29, 2020 by Rochesterfan

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Not sure if this was discussed up thread, but I noticed Beasley hobbling last game too. I wonder if this is an aggravation and he is just dinged up in a variety of ways.  Your classic hockey-like “lower body injury.”

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

The slot receiver is usually more of a quick separation guy, not a fight-for-the-ball guy. McKenzie is Beasley's sub. If they want someone to muscle out tight catches, they'd call up Duke, but that's not going to happen.

 

If they want someone to add zero to the team they'd call Duke up. 

[Hebert19]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

It could be anything.  Personally I thought he may have jammed his toe into the turf.  We'll know later on today, but if it had been really serious odds are much stronger he gets driven off in the cart.

Hes fine and should rest next week although bummed for him since he's only a few yards short of 1000

[Real McClappy]

14 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Hes fine and should rest next week although bummed for him since he's only a few yards short of 1000

Man, I hope Beas and Allen can just get about 40 yards next week and shut it down. I want Allen to break Bledsoe's record and Beas to get his well deserved first 1K season.