mykidsdad Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Josh seems to be getting a little respect. It's like Josh has to kick in some people's doors and yank the respect right out of these people's hands. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-3-pff-team-of-the-week-key-takeaways-weekly-awards-and-more "IT’S AMAZING HOW MUCH BETTER JOSH ALLEN HAS BEEN Allen’s first two years in the NFL weren’t all that great from a passing perspective — he was the fourth-lowest graded passer as a rookie then marginally improved in Year 2, raising his grade to the NFL’s sixth-lowest mark. The biggest issue was Allen's accuracy, or lack thereof. In that two-year span, 17.8% of Allen’s pass attempts resulted in a quarterback-fault incompletion, a figure over two percentage points worse than any other quarterback. This year, however, things have been vastly different. Through three weeks of play in 2020, Allen has the third-lowest rate of uncatchable passes thrown over 10 yards downfield. He has benefitted from a lot of those targets being open thanks to the slew of separators he has in the receiving unit, but Allen has also been sharp on the throws he has had to make to a tight window. This has helped the third-year quarterback produce an 83.9 passing grade over the first three weeks, fifth in the NFL. His Week 3 outing against the Rams was actually his highest-graded game as a passer of his NFL career. As my colleague Kevin Cole wrote about this offseason, it’s extremely rare for a quarterback to break out in their third year, making Allen, at least up until this point, an anomaly." 5 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 "Man Josh Allen is a Unicorn nobody could possibly of seen this coming." -guys who've refused to see this coming. 9 13 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Josh "Anomaly" Allen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 <yawn> Wake me when/if they ever say anything interesting. 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Great to read. My only comment is maybe this huge jump isnt all due to Josh. that there have been a few balls thrown this year, that in prior years, would not have been deemed "uncatchable" or inaccurate, major difference is many of these balls have been caught this year. Why...Diggs having some normal NFL level WR #1 catches and Gabe Davis, netter tracking by all receivers and more effective use or rub plays. I give a lot of credit to Diggs, he is a very tough, strong and dedicated WR.. It has only been three games so very few catches in these category can makes a tremendous difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) And how did Lamar grade vs. KC? Bet they will say many incompletions were catchable balls. Oh and that dig that they were to open receivers is typical. Edited September 29, 2020 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, StHustle said: Josh "Anomaly" Allen Josh Anomallen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Great to read. My only comment is maybe this huge jump isnt all due to Josh. that there have been a few balls thrown this year, that in prior years, would not have been deemed "uncatchable" or inaccurate, major difference is many of these balls have been caught this year. Why...Diggs having some normal NFL level WR #1 catches and Gabe Davis, netter tracking by all receivers and more effective use or rub plays. I give a lot of credit to Diggs, he is a very tough, strong and dedicated WR.. It has only been three games so very few catches in these category can makes a tremendous difference. A combination of Allen taking a big step, Diggs, and not having a statistically anomalous drop% 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Just now, eball said: Josh Anomallen. I’m struggling to form this word.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, StHustle said: Josh "Anomaly" Allen I always remember that article where they talk about McD and Beane saying that if allen succeeds it would be a statistical anomaly. I can't find it anymore though. 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: I’m struggling to form this word.. It says "Cantaloupe Farmer" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, mykidsdad said: Josh seems to be getting a little respect. It's like Josh has to kick in some people's doors and yank the respect right out of these people's hands. LOL. Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 This is your weekly reminder that positive or negative, PFF is a scam 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: A combination of Allen taking a big step, Diggs, and not having a statistically anomalous drop% Good point about the drops, not sure how those are "scored". In the last two years when I saw J Allen throw up a contested ball i would automatically think oh boy here we go........ Now this year it happens and shockingly they are getting completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: I always remember that article where they talk about McD and Beane saying that if allen succeeds it would be a statistical anomaly. I can't find it anymore though. It says "Cantaloupe Farmer" THAT I can pronounce!👍 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) no one's on it yet? oh mykidsdad! Edited October 1, 2020 by teef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And how did Lamar grade vs. KC? Bet they will say many incompletions were catchable balls. Oh and that dig that they were to open receivers is typical. Saw that did and totally agree. Small people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 After the last 2 decades, this franchise needed an anomaly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 These guys are such lazy dorks. Yes, if you simply plugged numbers into your Tandy-TRS80 when Josh came out of college you'd say "he won't be any good." To completely ignore the background, physical talent, and intangibles that were readily apparent is, at best, intellectual dishonesty, but they went a step further and did a hatchet job on Allen every time he played. Everyone saw Allen's improvement from Y1 to Y2, so what did they do? Predict he was at his ceiling -- not because of data, but because they didn't want to contradict their precious "model" that told them he'd suck. I guess we've established that three weeks is the PFF breaking point. Screw 'em. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 minute ago, eball said: I guess we've established that three weeks is the PFF breaking point. Screw 'em. 2 years 3 games, but I will take the win from those lousy jerks. I want to hear all of those people say they were wrong. Blame it on the pandemic. I'm feeling petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 PFF giving out their weekly grades 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mykidsdad said: Josh seems to be getting a little respect. It's like Josh has to kick in some people's doors and yank the respect right out of these people's hands. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-3-pff-team-of-the-week-key-takeaways-weekly-awards-and-more "IT’S AMAZING HOW MUCH BETTER JOSH ALLEN HAS BEEN Allen’s first two years in the NFL weren’t all that great from a passing perspective — he was the fourth-lowest graded passer as a rookie then marginally improved in Year 2, raising his grade to the NFL’s sixth-lowest mark. The biggest issue was Allen's accuracy, or lack thereof. In that two-year span, 17.8% of Allen’s pass attempts resulted in a quarterback-fault incompletion, a figure over two percentage points worse than any other quarterback. This year, however, things have been vastly different. Through three weeks of play in 2020, Allen has the third-lowest rate of uncatchable passes thrown over 10 yards downfield. He has benefitted from a lot of those targets being open thanks to the slew of separators he has in the receiving unit, but Allen has also been sharp on the throws he has had to make to a tight window. This has helped the third-year quarterback produce an 83.9 passing grade over the first three weeks, fifth in the NFL. His Week 3 outing against the Rams was actually his highest-graded game as a passer of his NFL career. As my colleague Kevin Cole wrote about this offseason, it’s extremely rare for a quarterback to break out in their third year, making Allen, at least up until this point, an anomaly." Shocker... good thing that manure-hauling truck has a reverse gear. Shift and grind those gears into "anomaly" and gun it backwards PFF because you were wrong, wrong, wrong and so blinded by your numbers you could not objectively watch a player's play on the field, or acknowledge the actual ongoing development. What does Experimenter-Expectancy Effect mean? What does Confirmation-Bias mean? Look'em up PFF, they are relevant to the kind of articles you wrote regarding Allen. If Josh Allen succeeds, the Bills will have outsmarted basically all regular humans and the entirety of math itself If this works, then stats really are for losers, I guess. By Jason Kirk Take that loser.... will there ever be a rock big enough for this guy to crawl under??? Edited September 29, 2020 by WideNine 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 This is a continuation of their 3 year old, "smartest guys in the room" position when it comes to Josh Allen. Exhibit A, this is right after last year's Turkey Day win in Dallas: By Sam Monson and Steve PalazzoloDec 2, 2019 Pump the brakes on Josh Allen a little bit… Nothing warps perception more than a big performance (good or bad) in a nationally televised or primetime game. Josh Allen just had maybe the best game of his career (certainly the best game against a team not named Miami) on Thanksgiving Day against Dallas, so people are looking to cash in receipts. I don’t want to take anything away from his performance Thursday night — Allen was spectacular — I just want to caution against believing that this is his baseline. From digging out a botched snap only to power himself for a first down to executing multiple difficult passes, this was a high watermark for Allen. His adjusted completion percentage was 79.2%, and he showcased that incredible arm strength. If this was the play the Bills got from their quarterback every week, they would be among the favorites for the AFC. Instead, it’s just a taste of where his ceiling is so far. Some people just can't accept that they might be wrong I guess. A friend taught me to always say to folks like these, "There is a remote possibility you may be correct" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicpwrd Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I don't think Josh is really that much of an anomaly because his coaching in college was not up to the level of most first round QB's. His first year in the pros was kinda like the senior year of most college QB's...Allen had more areas to improve in, so it is taking him longer to hit his stride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I don’t know why you guys are even reading PFF at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Something changed at PFF. They realized the Bills are about to be a good team for a while and that they have fully alienated the fanbase and appear to be trying to walk back years of BS by kissing some butt and articles like Fairburn's coming out to say they aren't hating on us intentionally. Bridge burned. Their grading system is trash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons mentioned above. I thought I would throw the link in here. I forgot about how arrogant these people all were at the time. WOW. 13 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I don’t know why you guys are even reading PFF at this point. pretty much satisfaction seeing someone proven wrong...waiting for that kind of told-you-so moment...and I think we're starting to get it. Again Josh had to swing these people to the ground by their facemasks and trample them to get it. But he's getting it, and I think that is cool. 4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Bridge burned agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, eball said: These guys are such lazy dorks. Yes, if you simply plugged numbers into your Tandy-TRS80 when Josh came out of college you'd say "he won't be any good." To completely ignore the background, physical talent, and intangibles that were readily apparent is, at best, intellectual dishonesty, but they went a step further and did a hatchet job on Allen every time he played. Everyone saw Allen's improvement from Y1 to Y2, so what did they do? Predict he was at his ceiling -- not because of data, but because they didn't want to contradict their precious "model" that told them he'd suck. I guess we've established that three weeks is the PFF breaking point. Screw 'em. My “model” predicts that at this pace, by the end of the season he will have 1,000 yard passing games and be completing 175% of his passes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I stopped at PFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Marginally improved as a passer from year 1 to year 2? He made a drastic improvement. Only reason his numbers werent as high because we would go into safe mode in the 2nd half once we held lead Edited September 29, 2020 by Kmart128 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownNgold Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, atomicpwrd said: I don't think Josh is really that much of an anomaly because his coaching in college was not up to the level of most first round QB's. His first year in the pros was kinda like the senior year of most college QB's...Allen had more areas to improve in, so it is taking him longer to hit his stride. Well he came out after his Junior year so his first year as a pro would be like his Senior year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Allen better? This is proof PFF doesn't know what they're talking about. Edited September 29, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Is he better than Duck Dodgers yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Is he better than Duck Dodgers yet? I bookmarked one back in 2018 just for this occasion that said any team that drafted Josh Allen was incompetent. Doubled down on that assessment and said if you like Christian Hackenberg you'll love Josh Allen....then added this scouting report of Hackenberg. Man they were piling on...glad for Josh, glad for this team. Playing some great football, and still room to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, freddyjj said: from digging out a botched snap only to power himself for a first down What a memorable play... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 "Anomaly" Allen--LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: <yawn> Wake me when/if they ever say anything interesting. Interesting? You’ll be sleeping for a while Edited September 30, 2020 by JohnNord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, The Wiz said: I always remember that article where they talk about McD and Beane saying that if allen succeeds it would be a statistical anomaly. I can't find it anymore though. It says "Cantaloupe Farmer" I love this article. Especially with where we are now! https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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K-9 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 If Allen is an “anomaly” for breaking out in his 3rd year, then what is Aaron Rodgers, who broke out in his 4th? PFF and others don’t seem to grasp that players simply can’t be shoehorned into their stat models. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Quote His Week 3 outing against the Rams was actually his highest-graded game as a passer of his NFL career. Even when they praise him they are wrong. Last week against the Dolphins was the best passing game of his career. It is really not even close. 7 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: This is your weekly reminder that positive or negative, PFF is a scam I will never stop reminding people that their grades are done by unpaid interns using a convoluted manual, with broadcast footage only. How did they even grade Allen last week? They missed two entire drives. Edited September 30, 2020 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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