Will this Rams team be the best team McDermott beat?

[BillsMafi$]

I would think it probably would be

[1ManRaid]

Assuming we don't beat the Chiefs?

[TBBills]

4 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said:

I would think it probably would be

Will it? Who did the Rams play to deserve to be considered anything? I don't understand how the Bills beat bad teams and they "Just beat bad teams" Rams beat bad teams and it's like "Can the Bills hang?"

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

16 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Will it? Who did the Rams play to deserve to be considered anything? I don't understand how the Bills beat bad teams and they "Just beat bad teams" Rams beat bad teams and it's like "Can the Bills hang?"

To be fair, I think the Cowboys and the Eagles are probably significantly better overall than the Jets and Dolphins, although you could argue that the Eagles and Dolphins are roughly equivalent. Cowboys definitely > Jets, though.

[DFT]

Yes.  They’re better than most give credit to and they’re exceptionally well-coached.  Great measuring stick.  My opinion.

[Big Blitz]

Off top of my head:

 

2018 Vikings and Jags

2019 Cowboys Steelers 

 

Is this Rams team better then those?  I'd say they are more complete.  But winning in Dallas on Thanksgiving would still rate higher to me.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

This Rams team is some big names then a bunch of scrubs. 
Bills will win if Milano and Edmunds play. 

[YattaOkasan]

13 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

To be fair, I think the Cowboys and the Eagles are probably significantly better overall than the Jets and Dolphins, although you could argue that the Eagles and Dolphins are roughly equivalent. Cowboys definitely > Jets, though.

I think the dolphins are better than the eagles for sure. Jets are worst for sure but I have the jets grouped with them and the other two higher. Dolphins had a rough start with NE and Us. Do you think the cowboys win either of those games?  
 

to the OP the 10-6 2017 chiefs and falcons could be considered. 

Edited September 26, 2020 by YattaOkasan

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The 2018 jags were atrocious.

 

Id say his most impressive victory was at KC in 2017.

 

 

The decline if I recall hit full peak following the loss to us.  They still brought back one of the best defenses of the last 10 years that season.  

 

That KC team was their best win that season but I didn't think they were that good.  Sammy went off that day if I recall.  

Edited September 26, 2020 by Big Blitz

[Talley56]

In his years with Philly and Carolina I'm sure they beat someone better somewhere along the line.

[Charles Romes]

Defending NFC champion At Atlanta his first year. That was.a loaded team and he beat them on the road with castoffs. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

15 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

To be fair, I think the Cowboys and the Eagles are probably significantly better overall than the Jets and Dolphins, although you could argue that the Eagles and Dolphins are roughly equivalent. Cowboys definitely > Jets, though.

@Jimmy Spagnolawould like a word...

Edited September 26, 2020 by NoHuddleKelly12

[YattaOkasan]

Considering his record against the pats and that he’s made the playoffs twice, he’s had to beat a few winning teams. 

[CaliBills]

Depends on what their record is at the end of the season....

 

Beating teams early in the season really means nothing. 

 

Because say we beat a 2-0 Rams team and then they go 6-10 the remainder of the season.

 

Then the win means less.

 

if we win and they finish 10-6 then it means more.

 

because even if they are good and they lose a few key players and then go 6-10, no one will remember that they lost key players, people remember the win-loss column at the end of the season.

 

Remind you of the year trent edwards went 4-1 and then we sucked.  Does anyone from that year remember beating a 4-1 Bills team? Nah cause they looked at the win in hind sight, as nothing.

Edited September 26, 2020 by CaliBills

[eball]

20 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

The decline if I recall hit full peak following the loss to us.  They still brought back one of the best defenses of the last 10 years that season.  

 

That KC team was their best win that season but I didn't think they were that good.  Sammy went off that day if I recall.  

Your memory is off. The 2018 Jags were 3-7 when the also 3-7 Bills faced them. 
 

Sammy wasn’t on the Bills in 2017 when they beat KC. 
 

I think McD’s signature win was in Atlanta in 2017. That’s what injected real belief into this franchise. 

[Big Blitz]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

No, Jacksonville was a bad team entering that game.

 

Sammy wasn’t on the team in 2017...

 

 

My bad that was TWO years before then man I'm old.  That Sammy game was 2015.  

 

[SirAndrew]

35 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

To be fair, I think the Cowboys and the Eagles are probably significantly better overall than the Jets and Dolphins, although you could argue that the Eagles and Dolphins are roughly equivalent. Cowboys definitely > Jets, though.

Yeah, the Rams deserve credit for the Cowboys win. I’m not a fan of the Cowboys anymore than the rest of this board, but you can’t deny they have a ton of talent. Dallas might not even make the playoffs, who knows at this point, but they also have enough talent to compete with anyone every week. In the NFL a win is a win. You can only defeat the teams on your schedule. I apply that rule of thumb to both the Bills and our opponents. This Sunday will feature two good teams going head to head. 

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

Your memory is off.

 

Quarantine has aged me 20 years.  

[anguskeenan]

34 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

I think the dolphins are better than the eagles for sure. Jets are worst for sure but I have the jets grouped with them and the other two higher. Dolphins had a rough start with NE and Us. Do you think the cowboys win either of those games?  
 

to the OP the 10-6 2017 chiefs and falcons could be considered. 

That 2017 chiefs game came to mind. Beating his mentor the first time he faced him as a head coach. It was Alex smith but they had been playing well if I remember correctly. I just remember that being the first time I was impressed with mcD.

[Big Blitz]

My memory may be shot after years of quarantine but I do remember this one play from 2017 that told me McD was our man.

 

October 29, 2017....how do I remember this, I looked it up and double checked.  

 

We're 4-2 playing the Raiders.  We traded Dareus the week before.  Raiders are 3-4 playing to save their season.  We stomp them and the playoffs looked like a very real possibility.

 

But it was a catch and run by Brandon Tate (how do I remember the player....I looked it up double checked) made a catch and run on a 2nd on long, got the first down and was pushed out of bounds on the Bills sideline---and the team mobbed him in a way you just dont see teams do very often in a late October game if ever.  The play showed me these guys will run thru a wall for their coach and each other.  

 

I even found the clip....ffw to the 3:20 mark:

 

 

 

 

That reaction was just everything.  Pure authentic joy.  Knew we had the right man in that moment.  I forgot what WR it was or how many yards he needed.....but that sideline reaction is etched in my mind forever.  

 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Big Blitz

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

Defending NFC champion At Atlanta his first year. That was.a loaded team and he beat them on the road with castoffs. 

Completely forgot about that... you’re probably right (up to this point). 

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Chiefs were actually playing bad up to that point. Believe they started 5-0 and lost their next 4 and then lost again to the Bills at home. 
 

Bills were also playing bad losing 3 straight and found a way to win in arrowhead. They also beat Atlanta earlier in the year which was a very impressive win. Still McDs overall record against winning teams is atrocious. 

 

 

Yes, his record against teams with winning records isn't good. That will happen during a rebuild. It's par for the course, and much more so for a team in the same division as the Patriots with Brady.

 

If it continues this year, it will be worth noting.

Edited September 26, 2020 by Thurman#1

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The 2018 jags were atrocious.

 

Id say his most impressive victory was at KC in 2017.

 

Me too. Kansas City and Atlanta on the road in 2017. Minnesota on the road 2018. Dallas on the road 2019. 

 

It would be the biggest HOME win of the regime. So far their biggest wins have all, strangely, been on the road. 

 

The McDermott story at home so far is much more about no longer dropping stupid home losses to teams they should beat.

Edited September 26, 2020 by GunnerBill

[Doc Brown]

Vikings game in 2018.  Winning 27-6 against an eventual playoff team as heavy underdogs.  Our three staring WR's were Benjamin, Jones, and Holmes.

[machine gun kelly]

A number of good ideas.  The Vikings was a fun win.  

By the end of the year, we’ll have other signature wins given the difficult schedule.

[prissythecat]

27 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

A number of good ideas.  The Vikings was a fun win.  

By the end of the year, we’ll have other signature wins given the difficult schedule.

I remember the Vikings win being fun for a number of reasons.  One of the posters here even had a thread about betting 5k on the Vikings and not telling his wife about it....

 

I do not consider the Rams to be an elite team at this point  .  They struggled last  year and  had a 9-7 record.   Goff is heavily reliant on play action and does not tend to do well as a pure pocket passer.  

[RobbRiddick]

I don't think we win this one. Actually, it pains me to say I think the Rams win comfortably. I pray I can post how wrong I was after the game. 

 

But if they do win and Allen plays well, like 250 yards and 2 tds then the hype on him will go crazy. I've been loving the respect he's been getting after 2 weeks. To play well against an undefeated team of the Rams quality I think even the sceptics will jump aboard. 

[PromoTheRobot]

10 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

I would think it probably would be

 

You know the drill. Any team the Bills beat wasn't that good in the first place.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

17 Falcons

18 Vikings

19 Cowboys

 

but to me the best “Win” this team has under McDermott, was 17 @ KC. Right after 3 straight beat down losses. Drought looming, the Bills looking totally lost for 3 games. Feeling like it’s going to end the same way it always does. Fans were miserable, Peterman got in during that stretch, just nothing going right...And we go into KC and get a must win game against a good chiefs team. 

[machine gun kelly]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

17 Falcons

18 Vikings

19 Cowboys

 

but to me the best “Win” this team has under McDermott, was 17 @ KC. Right after 3 straight beat down losses. Drought looming, the Bills looking totally lost for 3 games. Feeling like it’s going to end the same way it always does. Fans were miserable, Peterman got in during that stretch, just nothing going right...And we go into KC and get a must win game against a good chiefs team. 

And in 2020, the winner is........  Seahawks, Chiefs, Titans, 49ers, Cardinals, Rams?  In 2021 in the AFC Divisional game it’s the Ravens.  Sound good?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

And in 2020, the winner is........  Seahawks, Chiefs, Titans, 49ers, Cardinals, Rams?  In 2021 in the AFC Divisional game it’s the Ravens.  Sound good?

I’m in

[eball]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Still McDs overall record against winning teams is atrocious. 

 

Quick question: in how many of those games were the Bills favored?  I’d suggest, without looking it up, that the answer is perhaps one or two, and most of the time the spread wasn’t close (i.e., greater than a 3-pt dog).  When you’re a prohibitive underdog it’s because the team doesn’t have the talent or experience yet.  Your repeated blurting out of this “record against winning teams” is not evidence of anything.  Let’s see what happens when the Bills are favored (or pick’em) against winning teams, which will happen a lot this season, starting tomorrow.

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Off top of my head:

 

2018 Vikings and Jags

2019 Cowboys Steelers 

 

Is this Rams team better then those?  I'd say they are more complete.  But winning in Dallas on Thanksgiving would still rate higher to me.  

Agree with Minny and Cowboys.  Please scratch the Jags and Duck led Steelers.  Had the Steelers fielded a QB who should’ve been playing in the NFL, that’s not a W for the Bills.

[smuvtalker]

12 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Off top of my head:

 

2018 Vikings and Jags

2019 Cowboys Steelers 

 

Is this Rams team better then those?  I'd say they are more complete.  But winning in Dallas on Thanksgiving would still rate higher to me.  

This. Agree 100%.  That game in Dallas last year, on Thanksgiving, in Dallas???  A game nobody expected us to win, and we don't just win, we show our a$$es?  That was as complete and impressive victory as they come...

[What a Tuel]

19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure why it bothers you so much but it’s the truth.... agree the talent hasn’t exactly been there, but even last year they went 1-5 against playoff teams.... the only win coming against the Marcus Mariota led Titans. Coach McD owns that poor record. Hell, even Mike Vrabel has a .500 or so record against winning teams and his Titans teams aren’t incredibly talented. 
 

Yes, hopefully tomorrow the coach and team start to show they can beat some of the big boys of the league. 

 

1-5 how? I see 1-3 and 2 of those 3 were against the Pats who had our number for 20 years with probably a greatest ever coach as much as we hate it.

 

 

[eball]

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure why it bothers you so much but it’s the truth

 

It’s just a meaningless statement.  How many underdogs defeat teams with winning records?  You present it as if McD has “failed” and that’s what I think is disingenuous.  If McD was losing games he should win, we’d have a problem.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

12 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Off top of my head:

 

2018 Vikings and Jags

2019 Cowboys Steelers 

 

Is this Rams team better then those?  I'd say they are more complete.  But winning in Dallas on Thanksgiving would still rate higher to me.  

Vikings win foreshadowed the problems that team would have over the next couple of years.

Steelers were on their 3rd QB, but winning in Pittsburgh is still tough.

Tenn last year was a bigger win than most people thought at the time.

Cowboys win in Dallas on Thanksgiving is biggest win for McD. 

There will be no shortage of opportunities this year though - LA, KC, Seattle, New England x 2, Pittsburgh with Ben, even AZ and a wounded Sanfran will be very good contests 

[HOUSE]

We are doomed

[C.Biscuit97]

12 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Off top of my head:

 

2018 Vikings and Jags

2019 Cowboys Steelers 

 

Is this Rams team better then those?  I'd say they are more complete.  But winning in Dallas on Thanksgiving would still rate higher to me.  

The 2018 Jags team went 5-11.  The cowboys, while a prime time game, were one of the biggest frauds teams in a long time and went 8-8.  The Steelers had the worst qb play in the nfl at the time we played them.  So the easy answer is the Vikings.

 

honestly in a lot of sports, if you simply beat bad teams, you can have a lot of results.  So far, this team really hasn’t beaten good teams.  Last year, we didn’t need to.  That’s why I love this schedule this year.  I don’t think the Rams are a great team but it would be a really nice win.  Same with a bunch of opponents coming up.  I wanna see where this team stacks up for real.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

13 hours ago, eball said:

Your memory is off. The 2018 Jags were 3-7 when the also 3-7 Bills faced them. 
 

Sammy wasn’t on the Bills in 2017 when they beat KC. 
 

I think McD’s signature win was in Atlanta in 2017. That’s what injected real belief into this franchise. 

Mine was the Minnie win; don’t forget the Bills charter was flying the wrong way IIRC, which was endlessly mocked at the time, and the Bills were something crazy underdogs going in, no one gave them a prayer of winning JA’s 1st road start including many here—wasn’t this the infamous “I bet 5K against the Bills without my wife knowing and lost” game??