Where the Heck Was Oliver All Day?

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Yeah, it is...given Darryl Johnson, a 7th rounder, made the active roster ahead of him.

Anybody who says they're not concerned with our top pick being benched is kidding themselves.

The media has even said he did absolutely nothing in training camp, except one rep where the guard and tackle tripped over eachother.

 

Our "top pick" caught a ton of balls yesterday and opened up our entire passing game

[GreggTX]

22 minutes ago, teef said:

Are you just so upset Allen played well that you had to start this nonsense?

 

 

Please refrain from making personal insults. Grow up.

[Franco_92]

Sorry guys, I need my DTs to have 19.5 sacks per year 

[Fortunesmith]

24 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I am officially 'concerned' about Ed Oliver. I haven't given up on him, but all we got out of him was an assisted tackle. That's it. Zimmer played better. Hughes played better. Trent Murphy probably had the best game of any of our DL. Harrison Phillips did not play well either, though I wonder if he's 100%. Edmunds and Milano both dinged. It's not time to hit the panic button, but Oliver needs to start playing at a much higher level or he's going to make me miss Lotulelei.

 

Very concerned about this concern concerning Oliver. 

[BillsVet]

4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

He hasn’t even played a snap yet 😂😂😂

Crazy a 2nd rounder couldn’t even see the field immediately on this D line. 

 

Oliver is a 9th overall pick.  Hard to understand why some are sensitive to criticism being leveled if he doesn't show up on a stat line, particularly when he's a 3T. 

 

Epenesa not playing is a bigger deal.  That he couldn't overcome a former 7th rounder at DE is something to talk about.

 

Then again in both cases, homers gonna homer. 

[Simon]

He's actually the one that flushed Darnold and forced the bad throw that turned into a pick for Milano.

The Jets were throwing extra meat at him all day and it didn't matter; he was dragging people into the backfield with him.

That's one bad mf'in cowboy.....

[ColoradoBills]

25 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I am officially 'concerned' about Ed Oliver. I haven't given up on him, but all we got out of him was an assisted tackle. That's it. Zimmer played better. Hughes played better. Trent Murphy probably had the best game of any of our DL. Harrison Phillips did not play well either, though I wonder if he's 100%. Edmunds and Milano both dinged. It's not time to hit the panic button, but Oliver needs to start playing at a much higher level or he's going to make me miss Lotulelei.

 

Just now, GreggTX said:

 

 

Please refrain from making personal insults. Grow up.

 

I won't insult you but it's getting to point were either you are trolling with your "comments" since the Jets game ended OR you don't know anything

about football.  IMHO.

[Mark Vader]

2 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

 

Please refrain from making personal insults. Grow up.

Of all the posters in this thread, and this is the one you respond too?

 

Many people have said how good Oliver looked yesterday and you have not acknowledged that. So.......anything to say to that?

[teef]

7 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

100% agree. I'm even guilty of this to some extent, though more often with other teams than the Bills.

However, I genuinely didn't notice the impact Oliver had most of yesterday. That's on me, but I was hoping I'd see people in this thread point out what he did or maybe post some articles breaking down his play if any existed. Was not expecting people to turn it into a Josh Allen thing or anything.

But yeah, stat sheets don't tell the whole story, so glad to hear Oliver's play was felt even without the numbers.

have you read anything from the op?  he always, and i mean always manages to fit a knock of allen into any post he can.

Edited September 14, 2020 by teef

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

He's actually the one that flushed Darnold and forced the bad throw that turned into a pick for Milano.

The Jets were throwing extra meat at him all day and it didn't matter; he was dragging people into the backfield with him.

That's one bad mf'in cowboy.....

Thank you.

 

I’m not sure if the OP forgot what number Oliver wears, but 91 was everywhere yesterday. There’s a reason that Darnold was constantly breaking the tackle box and throwing from outside the hashes.

[Rc2catch]

6 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Yeah, it is...given Darryl Johnson, a 7th rounder, made the active roster ahead of him.

Anybody who says they're not concerned with our top pick being benched is kidding themselves.

The media has even said he did absolutely nothing in training camp, except one rep where the guard and tackle tripped over eachother.

A 7th rounder with a full year of practicing with the team and playing some right? And omg did the MEDIA really say that? Well yeah his career is doomed. We should probably cut him now and save Beane the embarrassment of you being smarter 😂😂😂

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Ed Oliver will be just fine.

It's AJ Epenesa who we should be concerned with...hated that pick when it happened, hate it more now.

 

Man...you had me with the first sentence.  Then wow, you just lost me with the 2nd.  Its utterly crazy how many people can not seem to grasp the logic in why AJE didnt dress week 1.  

1. Hughes and Murphy, ONLY DE's on the team with experience in our system.  
2. Murphy reportedly had a very strong camp, and combined with having 2 years in our system gave him the lead on starting.
3. Addison, a perennial double sack player, was literally our 3rd DE.  So that means AJE would have had to beat out Addison, which was never going to happen going into week 1.
4. Daryl is a ST ace, and him as the 4th spot was never up for grabs because of his significant importance to ST.
5. Jefferson is really a DE helping at DT with Star opting out and Butler out week 1.  So he is someone can easily swing over to DE if injuries happened to our top 3 guys. 
6. COVID had no preseason nor very little contact reps in camp for rookies to get up to speed and earn a bigger role.  And DE has a log jam, so AJE is a luxury, not a player at a position of need.
7. McD loves bringing rookies around slow when possible. 
8. We open the first 2 weeks with important divisional games, in a season where we have a real shot to contend and our schedule gets toughest down the stretch.  Meaning these are important for us to win, so those most ready to play will get priority, which lends itself to vets and returning players over rookies.  Same reason Murphy started over Addison even though Addison is the more accomplished and better all around player.  
9. AJE was a luxury pick at our deepest position that was chosen for the future, not to be an immediate contributor.  

Why are so many people completely deaf to these facts.  They are not excuses, this is reality.  Is it common for a 2nd round pick to not dress week 1 when injuries were not a factor?  No...but its also not common to have no preseason, very little contact, etc in camp.  Its also not common that 2nd round picks come into a team positioning for a SB run while playing a position on a team that is as deep as the Bills DE rotation.  

 

The AJE not dressing week one is literally a non story in terms of the arc of his career.  It was actually not surprising at all to me.  

[JustWinPlease]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

A 7th rounder with a full year of practicing with the team and playing some right? And omg did the MEDIA really say that? Well yeah his career is doomed. We should probably cut him now and save Beane the embarrassment of you being smarter 😂😂😂

Yup, because that's exactly what I said...isn't it, idiot?

[teef]

5 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

 

Please refrain from making personal insults. Grow up.

personal insults?  

[Coach Tuesday]

7 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

 

Please refrain from making personal insults. Grow up.

Please back up your OP instead of dropping a turd and coming back to complain about the flies.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Coach Tuesday

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, teef said:

have you read anything from the op?  he always, and i mean always manages to fit a knock of allen into any post he can.

If Allen had been nice enough to play worse Oliver would of gotten more opportunities.

1 minute ago, teef said:

personal insults?  

mocking a personal crusade?

[JustWinPlease]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Man...you had me with the first sentence.  Then wow, you just lost me with the 2nd.  Its utterly crazy how many people can not seem to grasp the logic in why AJE didnt dress week 1.  

1. Hughes and Murphy, ONLY DE's on the team with experience in our system.  
2. Murphy reportedly had a very strong camp, and combined with having 2 years in our system gave him the lead on starting.
3. Addison, a perennial double sack player, was literally our 3rd DE.  So that means AJE would have had to beat out Addison, which was never going to happen going into week 1.
4. Daryl is a ST ace, and him as the 4th spot was never up for grabs because of his significant importance to ST.
5. Jefferson is really a DE helping at DT with Star opting out and Butler out week 1.  So he is someone can easily swing over to DE if injuries happened to our top 3 guys. 
6. COVID had no preseason nor very little contact reps in camp for rookies to get up to speed and earn a bigger role.  And DE has a log jam, so AJE is a luxury, not a player at a position of need.
7. McD loves bringing rookies around slow when possible. 
8. We open the first 2 weeks with important divisional games, in a season where we have a real shot to contend and our schedule gets toughest down the stretch.  Meaning these are important for us to win, so those most ready to play will get priority, which lends itself to vets and returning players over rookies.  Same reason Murphy started over Addison even though Addison is the more accomplished and better all around player.  
9. AJE was a luxury pick at our deepest position that was chosen for the future, not to be an immediate contributor.  

Why are so many people completely deaf to these facts.  They are not excuses, this is reality.  Is it common for a 2nd round pick to not dress week 1 when injuries were not a factor?  No...but its also not common to have no preseason, very little contact, etc in camp.  Its also not common that 2nd round picks come into a team positioning for a SB run while playing a position on a team that is as deep as the Bills DE rotation.  

 

The AJE not dressing week one is literally a non story in terms of the arc of his career.  It was actually not surprising at all to me.  

Love the excuses for why a 2nd round pick couldn't make the field, as if he's an UDFA.

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Yeah, it is...given Darryl Johnson, a 7th rounder, made the active roster ahead of him.

Anybody who says they're not concerned with our top pick being benched is kidding themselves.

The media has even said he did absolutely nothing in training camp, except one rep where the guard and tackle tripped over eachother.

 

Sorry you are just showing how little you know about the situation with this post.  First of all, who the heck cares where a player was drafted.  Once you get to the NFL, you are in the NFL and its what you do on the field.  Darryl is a ST ace, and one of our most important guys on ST.  When you are talking about the 4th depth spot, ST is a major factor.  The sheer fact you are disparaging Darrlys value based on his draft slot just shows how off base you are.  

[Jauronimo]

You really need to be concerned when interior lineman are not racking up insane stats.  How many catches did Oliver have? Rushing yards?

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

Yup, because that's exactly what I said...isn't it, idiot?

Awwww... Were name calling now. 
A wise man once said the lowest form of conversation and intelligence is resorting to name calling. 

[TroutDog]

27 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Why is it so hard for folks to have a normal discussion? It has to be flipped to it being about Allen, something personal or we won so shut up. 

 

I dont have anything to add about Oliver because I did not notice him. I would have to go back and rewatch the game to see what how he played. Maybe played very well and was handling double teams all game. I dont know. But why can someone not ask this without it being some attack on the Bills. So sensitive. 

Almost all that was said on page one was in good fun.  The point is: the D line was solid and to most it was clear simply by watching the game. 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, JustWinPlease said:

Love the excuses for why a 2nd round pick couldn't make the field, as if he's an UDFA.

 

You just further show how little you seem to understand the fundamentals of football with this crusade to prove AJE is a bust and your inability to understand any of the reality of the situation.  

[thebandit27]

Just now, JustWinPlease said:

Love the excuses for why a 2nd round pick couldn't make the field, as if he's an UDFA.

Curious: were there any other players drafted higher than AJE that didn’t play a snap yesterday despite being completely healthy?

[Patrick Duffy]

My father once got mad at my brother and called him a stupid inbred m-fer. Wouldn't that reflect more on my father than my brother

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Please back up your OP instead of dropping a turd and coming back to complain about the flies.

 

Keep that comment in your holster for future threads!

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Curious: were there any other players drafted higher than AJE that didn’t play a snap yesterday despite being completely healthy?

 

In the vast scheme of things it doesn't matter.  AJE was drafted to replace DEs next year NOT to fill an immediate need this year.

If Murphy was traded/released he would dress but the Bills are playing to win this season.

It's one game of the young mans entire career.

[jletha]

From Joe B.'s article:

[Your Brown Eye]

 

[Nuncha]

44 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I am officially 'concerned' about Ed Oliver. I haven't given up on him, but all we got out of him was an assisted tackle. That's it. Zimmer played better. Hughes played better. Trent Murphy probably had the best game of any of our DL. Harrison Phillips did not play well either, though I wonder if he's 100%. Edmunds and Milano both dinged. It's not time to hit the panic button, but Oliver needs to start playing at a much higher level or he's going to make me miss Lotulelei.

No issues with big Ed.  He's filling those gaps.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

44 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I am officially 'concerned' about Ed Oliver. I haven't given up on him, but all we got out of him was an assisted tackle. That's it. Zimmer played better. Hughes played better. Trent Murphy probably had the best game of any of our DL. Harrison Phillips did not play well either, though I wonder if he's 100%. Edmunds and Milano both dinged. It's not time to hit the panic button, but Oliver needs to start playing at a much higher level or he's going to make me miss Lotulelei.

[buffaloboyinATL]

31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You just knew there were going to be silly threads today...it would not be TSW if not.  

And boy did I miss it!

[Just Joshin']

39 minutes ago, FLFan said:

You should rewatch the game.  He did not get the stats but he was a consistent factor in pushing Darnold out of the pocket and rerouting running backs.  

You surely know that stats are the only measure of how the DL plays.......Oliver had poor stats so he played poor.

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

I think a lot of people, when looking at DT, only really look at the stat line for sacks. Sacks are great, but they're not the only metric. Darnold was pressured all game. Probably the biggest knock on him was that he was constantly fleeing the pocket, and it's true. If the QB is constantly fleeing the pocket, that means the DL are doing their jobs. It also means the defensive tackles, on the inside, are going to have fewer sacks.

 

Ed Oliver may not have looked elite yesterday, but he was by no means a weak link, or a liability. He played really well-- the entire line did. (That includes H. Phillips, IMO, although he didn't really see the field very much, IIRC.)

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I think a lot of people, when looking at DT, only really look at the stat line for sacks. Sacks are great, but they're not the only metric. Darnold was pressured all game. Probably the biggest knock on him was that he was constantly fleeing the pocket, and it's true. If the QB is constantly fleeing the pocket, that means the DL are doing their jobs. It also means the defensive tackles, on the inside, are going to have fewer sacks.

 

Ed Oliver may not have looked elite yesterday, but he was by no means a weak link, or a liability. He played really well-- the entire line did. (That includes H. Phillips, IMO, although he didn't really see the field very much, IIRC.)

 

I was told he was another Aaron Donald.

 

Bummer.

 

[Gugny]

49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Oliver was in Darnold's lap from the very first drive. Disrupted him up the middle all day. But ok.

 

But ... but .... SACKS!!!!!!!!!!!

[LABILLBACKER]

Wierd game. Our outside pass rushers put tons of pressure on Darnold forcing him up in the pocket. Yet our DT's got very little push yesterday. There were sacks for the taking if we pushed the middle more?

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, GreggTX said:

I am officially 'concerned' about Ed Oliver. I haven't given up on him, but all we got out of him was an assisted tackle. That's it. Zimmer played better. Hughes played better. Trent Murphy probably had the best game of any of our DL. Harrison Phillips did not play well either, though I wonder if he's 100%. Edmunds and Milano both dinged. It's not time to hit the panic button, but Oliver needs to start playing at a much higher level or he's going to make me miss Lotulelei.

Must.....resist.....urge.....to......rage....response

 

You are entitled to your opinion

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I was told he was another Aaron Donald.

 

Bummer.

 

I was told he was another DK Metcalf 

[Lurker]

56 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

I wonder

 

...about how people watch a game.   

 

Darnold had no pocket to step up into throughout the game.    His eyes were often on the pass rush rather than downfield (unlike Allen).     That's a damn effective way to reduce any QBs effectiveness, let alone one susceptible to seeing ghosts...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, K-9 said:

I was told he was another DK Metcalf 

If only. Metcalf reeled in a 40-yarder yesterday.

 

 

[KD in CA]

26 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Curious: were there any other players drafted higher than AJE that didn’t play a snap yesterday despite being completely healthy?

 

Without going through the entire list, I can think of at least 3;  two of them from the first six picks.