WTF is Peter King thinking?? Picks Dolphins to win AFC East

[PromoTheRobot]

Dolphins officially named Fitz as starter. 

8 minutes ago, skibum said:

Miami is a team on the rise right now. Yes, they are trotting out Ryan Fitzpatrick to start the season, but we all know he can win 6-7 games before the wheels fall off. By then, Tua could be ready to take over. They have what it takes to pull off a winning record, at least.

 

I think Miami is on the way up too. Not AFC East champs but I wouldn't be shocked if they won 8. I took the over on them getting 6 wins and the under on New England getting 9.

[Green Lightning]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, I definitely understand being sick of him. But i respect greatness.  You don’t think Michael Jordan would get wall to wall coverage?  Or LeBron when he finally slips.  There was a love fest over Peyton who was horrible and won a SB.  
 

and Brady had 4,000 yards and 24 tds with a lot of garbage around him and they went 12-4.  That would be one of the best qb seasons in Bills history.  

We'll see how 'his greatness" is w/o BB. 

[TBBills]

12 hours ago, George C said:

Until Allen shows he can connect on all passes, which he has not, he will remain the issue. I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid until I see all of the passes..

Tua? If 100%? Get ready to face a qb who was almost unstoppable. 

So Tua who hasn't even played a snap is already "almost unstoppable" hahahahah 

Tua hasn't shown anything...

You just like other "Kool-Aid" obviously

[RyanC883]

Peter King has always been a hack.  He is awful.  He is simply doing this for attention.  

[Behindenemylines]

12 hours ago, K-9 said:

Apparently today was a bad day to stop sniffing glue

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

 I love the way you highlight me agreeing that TB are perennial high scorers (which I never contested) to suggest that they have nothing in common.im not comparing QB, HC, coaching or stats. I'm comparing the lazy take on the Browns last year to what were seeing this year with TB.So let me put it in bold too.

 They both haven't made the playoffs in over 10 years and are popular picks to not only end that but progress to the SB going into this season.

 That and my prediction of how this will end is what I'm saying they have in common. I'm sorry that I have to spell it out to you. 

 I will be sure to tag you to remind you when TB crash and burn.

 

 

I'll make it simpler, if possible:  the hype surrounding the Browns last year was just that and not based in any reality.  The Bucs are a far better team before Brady showed up--their QB clearly held them back.  Now they have Brady.  This changes their odds immensely---your very weird invocation of the "past 10 years" is meaningless, obviously.  Tampa is widely thought to be a playoff team.  I listed just a few facts showing why.   

 

 

Here's a very simple question....do you agree with most that TB will make the playoffs this year?  If not why not?

47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They’ve gone 7-9 two years in a row. 

 

Let him keep talking.  He's on a roll.

[Da webster guy]

Peter is a much better radio interview than writer.

He's well plugged in to players, coaches, and media, he's got the audience and the credentials, but as Yolo said you have to realize the objective for a guy like Peter isn't in-depth analysis, it's to create a buzz and drive traffic.  Which he does pretty well.

Compared to his peers who do national coverage like say John Clayton, King seems a bit out of touch with his depth of knowledge and his takes.

 

 

[716er]

If the Bills are somehow not good, the Pats and Dolphins both would have equal odds at winning the division, in my opinion.

[SinceThe70s]

Many hard core fans on this site lose all hope and  put the Bills on blast Monday mornings after a loss.  I care more about that segment of the populations thoughts on the Bills more than I do Peter Kings even though they both seem irrational to me. Mostly because there might be a nugget of truth buried in the over reaction to a loss from the hard core fans while PK spends almost no time or effort on the team. I get that he's a national reporter but his pick of the Dolphins over the Bills smacks of his love of Belichik disciples  as @Coach Tuesday pointed out earlier.

[John from Riverside]

There really is no excuse for Peter King doing this

 

The bills made the playoffs last year....and 2 times in the last 3 years

The Patriots are greatly diminished

THe fins have been our doormat for years now

The fins are not a good team completely starting over at QB

The bills are loaded with talent....even more then they had last year

 

[Seoulofstone]

41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'll make it simpler, if possible:  the hype surrounding the Browns last year was just that and not based in any reality.  The Bucs are a far better team before Brady showed up--their QB clearly held them back.  Now they have Brady.  This changes their odds immensely---your very weird invocation of the "past 10 years" is meaningless, obviously.  

Here's a very simple question....do you agree with most that TB will make the playoffs this year?  If not why not?

 

 I think they may because of the extra spot. Their variance is quite high. They could crater. But no chance as division winners. If you watch week 1 that will tell you all you need to know about how over hyped they are.

 

 You say it was not based in reality yet you admit that you were caught up in the Browns hype and were wrong. You are welcome to disagree and It doesn't upset me. I accept that most people disagree because they think Brady is more than a system QB. That's what we're about to learn.

   But how Is it a weird invocation to say that the Browns and Bucs have both had sustained failure yet both became projected to be serious contenders during an offseason due to personnel moves?

    You may not like it but it's simple fact. The fact that you think that being an offensive juggernaut while losing comfortably is some kind of achievement simply tells me that you read too much into stats. 

  I appreciate that you have convinced yourself that the jump they have to make isn't as challenging as the Browns and other factors work in the favour. I also appreciate that you clearly think Brady is going to be a difference maker. Let's watch the games and find out 

[Locomark]

No different than Sports Illustrated’s demented take on the AFC East or Vegas having the Pats as cofavorites with the Bills or our Super Bowl odds3 actually being surpassed but multiple teams in training camp. Let’s just start destroying teams and shut these morons up. Like GMFB video said ...time to become a juggernaut !  

Edited September 8, 2020 by Locomark

[Mr. WEO]

20 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

 I think they may because of the extra spot. Their variance is quite high. They could crater. But no chance as division winners. If you watch week 1 that will tell you all you need to know about how over hyped they are.

 

 You say it was not based in reality yet you admit that you were caught up in the Browns hype and were wrong. You are welcome to disagree and It doesn't upset me. I accept that most people disagree because they think Brady is more than a system QB. That's what we're about to learn.

   But how Is it a weird invocation to say that the Browns and Bucs have both had sustained failure yet both became projected to be serious contenders during an offseason due to personnel moves?

    You may not like it but it's simple fact. The fact that you think that being an offensive juggernaut while losing comfortably is some kind of achievement simply tells me that you read too much into stats. 

  I appreciate that you have convinced yourself that the jump they have to make isn't as challenging as the Browns and other factors work in the favour. I also appreciate that you clearly think Brady is going to be a difference maker. Let's watch the games and find out 

 

They lost 6 of 9 by less than a TD.  That's "losing comfortably"?

 

Convinced myself---that's a good one!  Yeah, I' going all alone way out on a limb here!  The jump they have made is bigger than the jump the Browns made last off-season, mainly because it was a much shorter leap for the reasons that are straightforward but still confuse you.  

 

 

 

 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Da webster guy said:

Peter is a much better radio interview than writer.

He's well plugged in to players, coaches, and media, he's got the audience and the credentials, but as Yolo said you have to realize the objective for a guy like Peter isn't in-depth analysis, it's to create a buzz and drive traffic.  Which he does pretty well.

Compared to his peers who do national coverage like say John Clayton, King seems a bit out of touch with his depth of knowledge and his takes.

 

 

Good description of what King does.  He had a good relationship with the Pats and with Rodgers, so when the Pats and Pack were winning he got some really good stuff.  Not so much now. 

[dave mcbride]

Who cares about predictions, for christ’s sake?? The season is upon us. Pay attention to that.

Edited September 8, 2020 by dave mcbride

[Seoulofstone]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They lost 6 of 9 by less than a TD.  That's "losing comfortably"?

 

Convinced myself---that's a good one!  Yeah, I' going all alone way out on a limb here!  The jump they have made is bigger than the jump the Browns made last off-season, mainly because it was a much shorter leap for the reasons that are straightforward but still confuse you.  

 

 

 

 

 

You are very literal aren't you? Ever heard the phrase garbage time? You are projecting a jump. So what that means is it hasn't happened yet  I will own it if I'm wrong. I doubt you will.

[Doc]

I never clicked on the link but did King predict that Tua would take over and that's the reason for his prediction?  Because again, Fitz has never taken a team to the playoffs and only once did he lead a team to a winning record...only to choke in the season finale that would have sent his team (Jets, 2015, against the Bills) to the playoffs if they had won.

 

As for Tua, I can't see him starting unless Fitz gets injured or they start poorly and are out of it early, like last year.  I don't think he's shown he's ready and sitting on the bench won't help him much in that regard.  At best I can see him playing in the season finale like Mahomes did.  Which again leads up back to Fitz and what he can't do.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Dolphins beat us last year if Tre White doesn't save the day with an amazing INT on the goal line.

 

The Bills won a lot of close games vs bad teams last year. They have a much more difficult schedule. I don't know what to expect. 

 

Dolphins and Bills have improved their rosters. Jets also played us tough, should've lost the opener. Bills were not a dominant team last year, very beatable almost every week. Josh Allen will have to be much better.

 

Saying the Dolphins win the East isn't that crazy. I think Dolphins, Patriots, and Bills will all finish around 9 wins.

Edited September 8, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Thurman#1]

Hmm, well, I think he's seriously overestimating Miami there, but it's not impossible. And I don't have a problem with people predicting the future going a bit out in left field on a few teams. If there's one thing we know it's that two to four teams will be a lot better than most people think and two to four teams a lot worse. That's football.

 

He has the Bills in the playoff competitors. 

 

If people don't throw something a bit different out there then everybody just parrots the common wisdom and says nearly the same thing.

 

Maybe King will even be right about the Fins, though I doubt it.

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

They’ve gone 7-9 two years in a row. 

 

 

... with a lot of crucial injuries at spots where their depth was poor. Atlanta could easily be very good, IMO. In fact, that's my guess.

Edited September 8, 2020 by Thurman#1

[machine gun kelly]

I’m a little disappointed in King as I’ve always respected his opinions.  I may not always agree with him, but he had very measured opinions.  I’ve said before the schedule means we are not going to have the easy schedule we had last year, but we’re better.  Yesterday ,  I was listening to Movin the Chains, and Kirwan tagged the Bills winning the division at 10-6, the Pats in a WC at 10-6, and the Phins at 6-10.  He said it’s just too early with this COVID off season for the Fish to convert all the talent they have acquired and turn it into a winning team.  I agree with this take.  Not sure how the Pats will make 10-6, but it’s hard to get Down on a BB team.  I see the Pats more 8-8.

[ganesh]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Everyone seems to look past the ridiculous cake walk of a schedule last season.... and McDs awful record against winning teams to this point.

 

This year is really going to tell a lot.

Correct, But the addition of a talent like Diggs should automatically improve Josh Allen and McDermott's ability to win games against good teams.  If this team starts improving in key areas like  3rd down conversions,   redzone conversions and playing more up-tempo game, they can beat the good teams in the league. 

[4merper4mer]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Everyone seems to look past the ridiculous cake walk of a schedule last season.... and McDs awful record against winning teams to this point.

 

This year is really going to tell a lot.

This is an almost completely invalid point when discussing winning the division.  We'll play Tenn and Pitt where the other teams play Bal, Cin, Cle, Ind, Jax, Hou.  That's the entire difference when it comes to winning the division.

 

Your instant spin of negativity doesn't turn irrelevant data points into meaningful considerations.

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, Doc said:

I never clicked on the link but did King predict that Tua would take over and that's the reason for his prediction?  Because again, Fitz has never taken a team to the playoffs and only once did he lead a team to a winning record...only to choke in the season finale that would have sent his team (Jets, 2015, against the Bills) to the playoffs if they had won.

 

As for Tua, I can't see him starting unless Fitz gets injured or they start poorly and are out of it early, like last year.  I don't think he's shown he's ready and sitting on the bench won't help him much in that regard.  At best I can see him playing in the season finale like Mahomes did.  Which again leads up back to Fitz and what he can't do.

 

The easiest way to wreck Tua is to throw him out there before he's ready.

[BigBuff423]

13 hours ago, njbuff said:

Wow, a lot people seem to care about someone's opinion that means absolutely nothing.

 

To be fair, you've just summed up the entire Two Bills Drive message board (not that you're wrong).

 

 

On another note, while I obviously don't agree with King - as a fan base we need to keep our lenses in check. Remember, this is a team that got stronger and better as the season went on, which means Flores did his job and is probably getting better at it. They also did have an infusion of talent and when you combine coaching and talent, there is at least the potential for good things to happen. That doesn't mean I agree with King or that I would say the Bills won't win the division, but I do know that all too often teams get cocky and then the fans dismiss other teams who make the leap of surprising the league. Do I think it's the Dolphins? No. I think they're an 8 win team. Do I think's impossible for the Dolphins to win 10 games? Also no. I think there is just so much that could go well and so much that could go wrong. 

 

Either way, my point is while I don't agree with King - it's not ludicrous to be conservative and humble and remember nothing in the NFL is guaranteed and it rarely goes as expected. Head down, work hard, and love the game. Bills do that, and I think they win the Division and 11 games or more. I also think, IF the Bills 11 games or more, then they've probably beaten a couple of quality playoff teams and that means, the sky's the limit. 

[Golden*Wheels]

Seems like a tryhard pick. I get the league changes every year....but come on.

[teef]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Everyone seems to look past the ridiculous cake walk of a schedule last season.... and McDs awful record against winning teams to this point.

 

This year is really going to tell a lot.

what brings you joy?

[4merper4mer]

 

12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Peterman hype videos.

Well they did get swept by the 11-5 Patriots last season, so it’s not invalid if you think the Patriots will be a good team again. 

Is it lost on you that divisional teams play each other twice every year?

 

The topic of the thread is basically whether the Bills will win the division.  You cited the Bills difficult schedule as a reason they might not.  That is an almost entirely invalid reason.  

 

Now if you're saying "team x" within our division has improved, thus our schedule is harder than 2019, there might be a small point but the fact remains that each team plays the others twice.  Are you saying the Patriots have improved?  If so, make that the basis for your argument.  

Edited September 8, 2020 by 4merper4mer

[Doc]

28 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Is it lost on you that divisional teams play each other twice every year?

 

The topic of the thread is basically whether the Bills will win the division.  You cited the Bills difficult schedule as a reason they might not.  That is an almost entirely invalid reason.  

 

Now if you're saying "team x" within our division has improved, thus our schedule is harder than 2019, there might be a small point but the fact remains that each team plays the others twice.  Are you saying the Patriots have improved?  If so, make that the basis for your argument.  

 

I don't think even he would do that.

[Gugny]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Everyone seems to look past the ridiculous cake walk of a schedule last season.... and McDs awful record against winning teams to this point.

 

This year is really going to tell a lot.

 

1 hour ago, teef said:

what brings you joy?

 

I'm actually with ScottLaw on this one.  I've been concerned about McDermott's a) inability to beat winning teams and b) propensity to get blown out for a while, now.  I did not like how the Bills limped into the playoffs last year.  I do not like when teams take their foot off the gas after clinching.  Winning 10 games last year was borderline pathetic with that schedule and it bothers me to this day.  And don't even get me started on how the roster was managed leading up to the playoffs and how the players were (mis)used in the playoff loss.

 

This will be a telling year, for sure.  I'm optimistic  -  more so than I can remember.  But it's cautious optimism.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Peterman hype videos.

Well they did get swept by the 11-5 Patriots last season, so it’s not invalid if you think the Patriots will be a good team again. 

Do you? Objectively speaking, how exactly have they improved their game day roster this offseason? Adding covid opt outs, how much regression could they afford after losing Brady? And before you tell me that Cam will be Brady Jr. under center there--he's first got to show that he can remain upright and out of the trainer's treatment room long enough to matter. Then there's this:

 

"Newton had no preseason games or joint practices to test drive this offense. There are rookies at tight end, a virtual rookie at fullback (Jakob Johnson), a wide receiver group that’s little-improved from the 2019 crew which Pro Football Focus said “collectively had the worst season of any receivers in the 14 years PFF has been grading every snap of NFL games.”

To think Newton’s going to come out Sunday against Miami, complete more than 60 percent of his passes, help the offense convert more than 40 percent of its third downs and have things moving like clockwork is to be detached from reality. Could it happen? Yes. But I’d be gobsmacked if it did."

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/what-would-successful-2020-season-be-cam-newton-patriots

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Do you? Objectively speaking, how exactly have they improved their game day roster this offseason? Adding covid opt outs, how much regression could they afford after losing Brady? And before you tell me that Cam will be Brady Jr. under center there--he's first got to show that he can remain upright and out of the trainer's treatment room long enough to matter. Then there's this:

 

"Newton had no preseason games or joint practices to test drive this offense. There are rookies at tight end, a virtual rookie at fullback (Jakob Johnson), a wide receiver group that’s little-improved from the 2019 crew which Pro Football Focus said “collectively had the worst season of any receivers in the 14 years PFF has been grading every snap of NFL games.”

To think Newton’s going to come out Sunday against Miami, complete more than 60 percent of his passes, help the offense convert more than 40 percent of its third downs and have things moving like clockwork is to be detached from reality. Could it happen? Yes. But I’d be gobsmacked if it did."

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/what-would-successful-2020-season-be-cam-newton-patriots

 

The Cheaters would be thrilled to get the same production from Newton that they got out of Brady last year.  That being said, it's highly unlikely.

[thebug]

Bills take the division this year. I'm usually cautiously optimistic, but this year I have a feeling we are going to be good!

 

Go Bills!

[Rocket94]

On 9/7/2020 at 7:01 AM, IgotBILLStopay said:

They did sign Shaq Lawson who last year singlehandedly lifted the Bills defense to a #1 ranking and took the Bills to the playoffs.

Thats it! Lawson was the missing piece!

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Mouse clicks.

 

Which media columnist doesn't write everything for clicks?

[machine gun kelly]

The one thing King was probably enamored with is the Fins did buy $235.8 mil. in talent, and had 11 draft picks.  That is a lot of talent, but they don’t have the time to get this talent to work together.  It would be a nice September surprise if the Fins beat the Lats this Sunday before we beat them next week.  
 

Ive said it before, the Dolphins are the team to worry about either next year or the years after that as their coach I think is going to be good.  I thought it was high class for him to come up and put his arm around Fitzy when he had to deliver the news about his mom.  That sucks, and credit to Fitz, he was back to work in a few days.  I had to take 10 days off when my mom passed.  We had to fly back to Buffalo, and help Dad with everything.  I know a side topic, but hope Fitzy’s doing ok.

[teef]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

 

I'm actually with ScottLaw on this one.  I've been concerned about McDermott's a) inability to beat winning teams and b) propensity to get blown out for a while, now.  I did not like how the Bills limped into the playoffs last year.  I do not like when teams take their foot off the gas after clinching.  Winning 10 games last year was borderline pathetic with that schedule and it bothers me to this day.  And don't even get me started on how the roster was managed leading up to the playoffs and how the players were (mis)used in the playoff loss.

 

This will be a telling year, for sure.  I'm optimistic  -  more so than I can remember.  But it's cautious optimism.

i don't quite have this take.  i think people are expecting a bit too much a bit too fast.  when beane and company took over 3 years ago, this team hadn't sniffed the post season in 17 years.  by a miracle they made the playoffs in that year, only to have the "rebuild" start the following year, and since then there have positive strides.  without looking, the blowouts decreased significantly from year two to year three.  last year they were still relying a lot on first and second year guys.  there were still questions about depth, etc.  even the best teams have questions, but the bills are more rounded than they have been in years.  i think you'll see those frustrating issues disappear a bit.

 

i don't love the offensive philosophy either, but i think a lot of it has to do with developing allen.  i think this staff when far out of their way not to ruin the kid, and so far so good.  if this team doesn't take a leap, it will be on him. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

 

I'm actually with ScottLaw on this one.  I've been concerned about McDermott's a) inability to beat winning teams and b) propensity to get blown out for a while, now.  I did not like how the Bills limped into the playoffs last year.  I do not like when teams take their foot off the gas after clinching.  Winning 10 games last year was borderline pathetic with that schedule and it bothers me to this day.  And don't even get me started on how the roster was managed leading up to the playoffs and how the players were (mis)used in the playoff loss.

 

This will be a telling year, for sure.  I'm optimistic  -  more so than I can remember.  But it's cautious optimism.

 

How did the Bills limp into the playoffs when we clinched in week 15?  If we hadn't rested our starters in week 17, we would have beaten the Jets.  Would 11-5  with the same seed in the playoffs make that much of a difference in your opinion?

[Gugny]

14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How did the Bills limp into the playoffs when we clinched in week 15?  If we hadn't rested our starters in week 17, we would have beaten the Jets.  Would 11-5  with the same seed in the playoffs make that much of a difference in your opinion?

 

You play to win the game.  

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

You play to win the game.  

 

That didn't answer my question bro.

[The Frankish Reich]

37 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

The one thing King was probably enamored with is the Fins did buy $235.8 mil. in talent, and had 11 draft picks.  That is a lot of talent, but they don’t have the time to get this talent to work together.  It would be a nice September surprise if the Fins beat the Lats this Sunday before we beat them next week.  
 

Ive said it before, the Dolphins are the team to worry about either next year or the years after that as their coach I think is going to be good.  I thought it was high class for him to come up and put his arm around Fitzy when he had to deliver the news about his mom.  That sucks, and credit to Fitz, he was back to work in a few days.  I had to take 10 days off when my mom passed.  We had to fly back to Buffalo, and help Dad with everything.  I know a side topic, but hope Fitzy’s doing ok.

Excellent comment. Hard to see the Dolphins putting it together this year, but they finally seem to have a plan coupled with an infusion of young talent.