TBBills Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Greg S said: https://www.nfl.com/news/training-camp-buzz-ryan-fitzpatrick-expected-to-win-dolphins-qb-battle-over-tua- No surprise really. With no real training camp or preseason games the smart thing to do is go with veteran. The Bills face the Fins week 2. Although the Bengals will probably go with Burrow week 1 so anything is possible. TBH it doesn't matter who starts for QB, Bills will beat Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 hours ago, JohnNord said: Early in the season is when he’s at his most dangerous Yes before that wet noodle goes from el dente to just mush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: https://www.radio.com/articles/radiocom/tannenbaum-ryan-fitzpatrick-the-is-best-qb-in-the-afc-east You guys are so emo about Allen. Across the board, with the worst roster in nfl, Fitz was a better passing qb than Allen. Would I trade Allen for Fitz? Obviously no and I never said that. But right now, he’s the best qb in the afc East (Cam would be if he was healthy). What facts do you guys have to dispute this? If Allen and Fitz switched teams, what do you think their records would have been last year? Fitz played with the worst roster in years and never played on close to as good of a team as Allen did last year. These are legit facts. now, Allen hopefully will be better than him long term. This is really really simple Fitz.....who i think would be the best backup QB in the league....is NOT clutch.....when the moments are big he wilts and this has been proven time and time again.....especially when he was the BILLS QB Meanwhile........ Josh Allen comes up up big in the big moments.....if you think that Josh doesnt play a big part of our 2 playoff teams in 3 years when we didnt sniff playoffs for over a decade....then you are deluding yourself......Josh Allen is the come back kid and that alone makes him better. Does Josh have things to work on? For sure......he hasnt even touched his top end potential yet.....but the talk of comparing Josh to Fitz is just crazy Edited August 20, 2020 by John from Riverside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is really really simple Fitz.....who i think would be the best backup QB in the league....is NOT clutch.....when the moments are big he wilts and this has been proven time and time again.....especially when he was the BILLS QB Meanwhile........ Josh Allen comes up up big in the big moments.....if you think that Josh doesnt play a big part of our 2 playoff teams in 3 years when we didnt sniff playoffs for over a decade....then you are deluding yourself......Josh Allen is the come back kid and that alone makes him better. Does Josh have things to work on? For sure......he hasnt even touched his top end potential yet.....but the talk of comparing Josh to Fitz is just crazy Correction One playoff team. Play Off One was Ball Joint...um I mean Tie Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Correction One playoff team. Play Off One was Ball Joint...um I mean Tie Rod JMF! Your right! Thank you for that correction. In Josh Allen's second year at QB we were in the playoffs with a 10-6 record. and yes.....our D was the major reason for that....but you have to score points to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Bangarang said: Fitz has had himself an incredible career. .....said his investment manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Greg S said: https://www.nfl.com/news/training-camp-buzz-ryan-fitzpatrick-expected-to-win-dolphins-qb-battle-over-tua- No surprise really. With no real training camp or preseason games the smart thing to do is go with veteran. The Bills face the Fins week 2. Although the Bengals will probably go with Burrow week 1 so anything is possible. The most dangerous position in the NFL is the starting QB position when Fitzpatrick is the backup. Tua should thank his lucky stars he'll be sitting on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: He will be turning 38 during the season. It's a countdown till his game really starts to fall off which could be starting with Week 1. I always liked Fitz but age gets everyone in the end. I'm a huge Fitz fan, he leaves it all out on the field. If Fitz looses a game it's not from lack of trying, he sacrifices his body out there and his style of play elevates his whole team. At 38 with a average at best arm I don't think he will do very well this season but I hope that he proves me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Ryan Fitzpatrick has earned SEVENTY ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS in this league, and climbing. All for Fitz being Fitz. It's utterly shocking and sobering. Something is wrong somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I’ve never seen this decision not work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I'm really looking forward to Ryan Fitzpatrick's "A Football Life" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I'm really looking forward to Ryan Fitzpatrick's "A Football Life" Subtitle: “One Man’s Story Of How To Win And Lose The Support Of Ten Fan Bases” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Ryan Fitzpatrick has earned SEVENTY ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS in this league, and climbing. All for Fitz being Fitz. It's utterly shocking and sobering. Something is wrong somewhere. Seriously?? What's wrong with that? He's been in the NFL for 15 seasons. In 8 of those years, he has more than 10 starts--136 total. He's never been paid an average annual salary over 7.7 million. He is the best non-rookie contract bargain at QB in the NFL and has been for many years. He is a starter who gets mediocre backup money. Name another current QB who has more career starts for less money. Bradford made 129 million--for 83 starts!! Matt Cassel has made 62 million and has had under 20 starts in his last 6 seasons. Osweiller got 42 million for 30 starts. There is nothing shocking or sobering about Fitz's earnings at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Currently, he’s the best qb in the afc East. Look at this guy go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: If Tua cannot beat out a 37 year old Fitz for the starting job by week 6 Tua’s will be approaching bust status at Mach 2. Fitz never had a strong arm, I think Fitz will struggle to make certain throws this year. With the way Fitz plays and his age I doubt Fitz will make it through this season. We will prolly get a look a Tua if he is ready or not. A rookie QB coming off of major surgery doesn't start over a veteran and he's a bust!?! And at Mach 2, no less!?!? Can you be taken seriously? Fitz will start, and he should. I answered a poll a while ago regarding the best QB in the division. I picked Fitz for the same reasons C.biscuit97 laid out here. Doesn't mean that's what we wish for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwolf02 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 8 hours ago, JohnNord said: Early in the season is when he’s at his most dangerous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO8ySbCsmWc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Doc said: You would be the only one claiming that Fitz is the best QB in the AFCE. Or even better than Josh. Well, besides Mrs. Fitz and his kids. He's been on a million teams for a reason. Because he is better than counting than you? He has never been unemployed unlike some NFL QBs. 2 hours ago, eball said: Subtitle: “One Man’s Story Of How To Win And Lose The Support Of Ten Fan Bases” So you are saying he will be playing for several more years with different teams. New England next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Because he is better than counting than you? He has never been unemployed unlike some NFL QBs. Yup, because he's an easy guy to root for, a great teammate and a decent backup QB who has a couple good games that get everyone in his at-the-time fanbase excited, but it always fizzles out. He's a 6-10/7-9 guy as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I'm hoping fitz has another few years in him so that he can get close to top 20 all time passing tds and yards. And then have an incredible conversation if he is a hall of famer ha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 May I suggest we evaluate who the best QB in the AFCE is, AFTER the season? It could be Tua, for all we know right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Utah, you’re trying to insert common sense into a silly debate. I am curious to see how Darnold, Allen, and Tua play this year. Does Allen and Darnold continue to progress in year 3? Does Cam fall apart by the end of the year or do we buy into the media hype he is the next coming? Does Tua come out after Fitz, and you know he will throw 4 picks in the Seattle or 49ers game, and he comes out healthy accurate and give Fins fans some hope, or is he seriously hurt by not having the off season training? It will be an interesting year for sure. I just want to see a full season, healthy Bills team, and our team moves significantly forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Tua is probably best served to have a year completely off to let his body totally heal, learn behind Fitz, then step in as the starter for 2021. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 H2O, that is probably right, but teams just never do that anymore. You’re inserting common sense again darn it. ?. I doubt he will even last this long, but even Reed put Mahomes in before the end of the first year. It’s not like Fitz is Favre having the fortune to let Rodgers is for a couple of years. Where I agree with you completely are teams like LA Chargers, current draft pick for the Packers wait for one or even two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Just being reported that Fitz is not practicing today, and possibly longer, for "personal" reasons. No further details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 22 hours ago, Bangarang said: Fitz has had himself an incredible career. Honestly, he really has. He’s the definition of a grinder, he’s been all over the league, actually holds some real NFL records, never was elite physically, but has managed to play at very high levels. Of course he has had the lows of not being physically gifted as the greats, but he’s still arguably one of the top 20 QBs in the league and has always been right there. He’s just too good to be a back up (for long) and not quite good enough that you want him to be the long term solution. He happens to be the guy that didn’t take long term deals (outside of Buffalo) and has moved around a lot and has done amazingly well in a multitude of systems. If you look back at all the younger guys who were high draft picks, he unseated and thrived in their place, it’s crazy. He will always be one of my favorite players, just a genuinely good guy, one heck of a sense of humor, gets through with hard work, brains, and sheer determination. How many player, QBs especially can you say have played for 8 teams, over 14 years and still is relevant? It’s unreal. Think of how many guys have come and gone in the NFL and here’s a 7th round pick who accumulated: 32k passing yards 210 touchdowns 60+% completion percentage 81.6 QB rating It’s not a HOF career, but if you get that out of a number 1 overall pick, you got it “right”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 One of these days Fitz is going to score two TD's with one pass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BidsJr Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Honestly, he really has. He’s the definition of a grinder, he’s been all over the league, actually holds some real NFL records, never was elite physically, but has managed to play at very high levels. Of course he has had the lows of not being physically gifted as the greats, but he’s still arguably one of the top 20 QBs in the league and has always been right there. He’s just too good to be a back up (for long) and not quite good enough that you want him to be the long term solution. He happens to be the guy that didn’t take long term deals (outside of Buffalo) and has moved around a lot and has done amazingly well in a multitude of systems. If you look back at all the younger guys who were high draft picks, he unseated and thrived in their place, it’s crazy. He will always be one of my favorite players, just a genuinely good guy, one heck of a sense of humor, gets through with hard work, brains, and sheer determination. How many player, QBs especially can you say have played for 8 teams, over 14 years and still is relevant? It’s unreal. Think of how many guys have come and gone in the NFL and here’s a 7th round pick who accumulated: 32k passing yards 210 touchdowns 60+% completion percentage 81.6 QB rating It’s not a HOF career, but if you get that out of a number 1 overall pick, you got it “right”. The scary thing is, his career stats minus wins and losses, are pretty similar to Jim's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, BidsJr said: The scary thing is, his career stats minus wins and losses, are pretty similar to Jim's. That’s kind of my point. If I just show you the raw stats, and we attribute the wins and losses to more than a QB, which seems pretty reasonable to do, Fitz has had a really good career. In fairness, Jim played in an era that wasn’t as pass happy, so the stats are skewed some and Jim played in Buffalo where we know at least 3-4 games a season are extremely difficult to pass in, where as Fitz hasn’t had those circumstances his whole career. On the other side, Fitz hasn’t had HOF talent all around him like Jim did, either. By no stretch is Fitz a comparable player to Jim Kelly, but I do think if Fitz had been a QB in that era, he would be looked upon as a better QB than he has been in these times and probably would have been considered close to a “franchise QB”. His brains and crazy plays, coupled with a road grading running game and a lower scoring league, he could absolutely look the part. I would argue he was/is better than Phil Simms, and many other guys that were considered greats because of the team around them. He would have fit well in that era. It would have been really interesting to see him on one of the great teams like the 49ers, with that west coast system, he plays a lot like Young did, or the Cowboys with Emmitt, Moose, Ervin and that great line, even Buffalo with Reed, Lofton, Thurman, etc. He’s never had a whole team to work with. If you look at the “great” QBs, they all have HOF talent around them to thrive. While it’s absolutely true they play a part in making the other guys HOF players, there’s still a huge difference between Josh Reed and Andre Reed. He did become the first passer with 400 yards in (3?) straight games when he had good talent and a favorable system around him with the Bucs, imagine if that team had any balance and Winston wasn’t there as the guy they took #1 overall. That could have been pretty epic. Watch for a shell of Tom Brady to have a lot of big games there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Utah John said: May I suggest we evaluate who the best QB in the AFCE is, AFTER the season? It could be Tua, for all we know right now. Or Wrong Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I'm hoping fitz has another few years in him so that he can get close to top 20 all time passing tds and yards. And then have an incredible conversation if he is a hall of famer ha He is already in the HOF, sort of. https://bucswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/02/ryan-fitzpatricks-bucs-nfl-hall-of-fame/ Edited August 21, 2020 by BUFFALOKIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Man I’d love it if Tua sucks. I was so hoping he’d end up in LA cause I’d rather root against Herbert, but, here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Chan Gailey evidently was counting on Fitz to help install the Miami Offense. Now he's out for who knows how long. Chan Gailey expresses early concern about development of Dolphins’ offense https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-offensive-coaches-20200820-u7pvatox7vclbdpfuq336bnsbi-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 8/20/2020 at 7:14 AM, C.Biscuit97 said: Ahh yes, another gem from the guy who lets people consistently fart in his face and tells them how good it smells. I know you are obsessed with me (you’re not the first and won’t be the last), but you can’t even debate the point. Who had the best qb rating in the division? Who did this on a team that actively traded their best players away? Who took a bust 1st round pick and made him a 1,200 yard receiver? Who set a nfl record for most consecutive 400 yards passing games? also get a dictionary and look up the word currently. It could change but you are the most sensitive human being on earth. Josh Allen isn’t going to sleep with you bro. That’s insane. Fitz is a top 20 qb in the league. He would beat out a lot of young guys. Also, Tua isn’t coming off a major injury. Why force playing him right away? They aren’t winning the SB this year. more qbs are ruined than developed. So Brian Hoyer is the best QB in the division. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I'm hoping fitz has another few years in him so that he can get close to top 20 all time passing tds and yards. And then have an incredible conversation if he is a hall of famer ha There's already a bust of Fitz in the Hall of Fame of my ❤️. Edited August 21, 2020 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eball Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, syhuang said: I'm laughing on the inside -- not because I put a lot of credence in training camp "stats" but because I know how this board would be imploding if that was us... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, syhuang said: Looks like they are really taking after their mentor. Why does it matter if Pickspatrick is gone or not? INT contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Looks like they are really taking after their mentor. Why does it matter if Pickspatrick is gone or not? INT contest? Was about to say, it looks like they don't need him after all lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 We finally figured out the right way to contain Fitz. Blitz the hell out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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