Ed Oliver interview - NFL put him in the drug program?

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

He should really stop chewing. Guy I know had half his face and throat cut away due to cancer, died a few years later.

He should stop drinking beer.  I know several people who have died to alcoholism.  He should really stop driving, I know several people who died in car accidents. 
 

I dipped for 20+ years.  Teeth, mouth, face and throat are in fine condition.  I’m sure he realizes that there are consequences to dipping.  It’s a chance people take

Just now, FireChans said:

If you didn’t comply, you would also have been charged with resisting arrest and likely gotten roughed up. 

I’ve told more than 1 cop they were being #######s.  Worst that happened to me was placed in handcuffs. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’ve told more than 1 cop they were being #######s.  Worst that happened to me was placed in handcuffs. 

Did you ever resist being put in handcuffs?

[MJS]

Sucks he had to go through that and it sucks that police have to be jerks sometimes. I've had experiences with great cops and I've had experience with horrible cops.

 

In my opinion if he blew 0.0 they should have let him go right there.

 

But I'm glad everything is appearing to work out just fine for Oliver.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He should stop drinking beer.  I know several people who have died to alcoholism.  He should really stop driving, I know several people who died in car accidents. 
 

I dipped for 20+ years.  Teeth, mouth, face and throat are in fine condition.  I’m sure he realizes that there are consequences to dipping.  It’s a chance people take

I’ve told more than 1 cop they were being #######s.  Worst that happened to me was placed in handcuffs. 

 

Yeah - But it sounds like you still complied. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He blew a 0.0.  The cop said he didn’t believe him and arrested him.  Is that special treatment?  

As i've stated before just because you blow a 0.0 doesn't mean you will not be arrested. I'm not sure if he got special treatment but when it comes to situations like this I always get that gut feeling that he did.

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He should stop drinking beer.  I know several people who have died to alcoholism.  He should really stop driving, I know several people who died in car accidents. 
 

I dipped for 20+ years.  Teeth, mouth, face and throat are in fine condition.  I’m sure he realizes that there are consequences to dipping.  It’s a chance people take

I’ve told more than 1 cop they were being #######s.  Worst that happened to me was placed in handcuffs. 

 

He should stop riding horses.  Christopher Reeve...

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

As i've stated before just because you blow a 0.0 doesn't mean you will not be arrested. I'm not sure if he got special treatment but when it comes to situations like this I always get that gut feeling that he did.

 

What special treatment does your gut tell you he received?

 

Being arrested for blowing a 0.0 is special treatment?

[Kwai San]

1 hour ago, DCbillsfan said:

Keep your hands on the wheel AND have your DL and registration in your hands.  That's what I do.  

 Keep yours eyes on the road and hands upon the wheel!

 

I used to officiate HS and D2/3 college ball.  A number of my fellow officials were either sheriffs or troopers.  In the whole they ALWAYS reiterated that if they walk up and see your hands on the wheel and you acting like you have a brain you are automatically going to get some slack depending on the severity of what you get pulled over for.  Food for thought.  It worked every time for me and I never heard otherwise from the people I told.  Respect goes a LONG way......of course I am white so there is that.  Sadly.

Edited August 10, 2020 by Kwai San

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

Sucks he had to go through that and it sucks that police have to be jerks sometimes. I've had experiences with great cops and I've had experience with horrible cops.

 

In my opinion if he blew 0.0 they should have let him go right there.

 

But I'm glad everything is appearing to work out just fine for Oliver.

So you feel cops should base everything off of a machine that might not be working correctly or calibrated properly? You don't think they should take into account that another driver called in saying he was driving erratically in a construction zone or the beer can between his legs or the stumbling during the sobriety test? 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, DCbillsfan said:

That sucks for Oliver but IF he was drifting between lanes like the citizen said he was, then what do you expect.  Didn't he have an open beer can between his legs when he was pulled over?  

Not to be pulled over.  Going 20 mph over the speed limit and weaving through traffic is going with the flow in Houston.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

So you feel cops should base everything off of a machine that might not be working correctly or calibrated properly? You don't think they should take into account that another driver called in saying he was driving erratically in a construction zone or the beer can between his legs or the stumbling during the sobriety test? 

 

People can be under the influence of substances that are not alcohol...

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

If you treat a cop like your enemy, you will quickly become theirs.

 

If you are taught your whole life that the police are the enemy, you will think that the police are your enemy.

 

If you are taught your whole life that police are pulling you over because of the color of your skin, you will think the police are pulling you over because of the color of your skin. 

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

So you feel cops should base everything off of a machine that might not be working correctly or calibrated properly? You don't think they should take into account that another driver called in saying he was driving erratically in a construction zone or the beer can between his legs or the stumbling during the sobriety test? 

So they should arrest him because of hearsay? Or the beer can full of tabacoo spit? Or because he stumbled during the line walking portion after they made him do it again without shoes in the middle of the night? And is it not on the police to have their equipment calibrated?

Edited August 10, 2020 by Warcodered

[eball]

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Not to be pulled over.  Going 20 mph over the speed limit and weaving through traffic is going with the flow in Houston.

 

LOL.  And Oliver was never cited for any driving violation (speeding, careless & reckless, etc.).  Just the DWI, which means no law enforcement officer even saw this alleged "bad driving."  It's just shady.

[Cruiserplayer]

48 minutes ago, Doc said:

Does this happen to white drivers as well?  

Yes. It happened to me (I’m white) after a  CFB game. Except the white officer had my car impounded and dropped me off at a shady convience  store Where I spent the night on a picnic table before hiking two miles to the impound yard the next morning.

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Did you ever resist being put in handcuffs?

No.  If you read my follow up response to your selected quote I said that I wouldn’t comply as I originally did.  I’d still comply, I’d just have some choice words for him rather than keeping my mouth shut.

21 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yeah - But it sounds like you still complied. 

Yes, I wouldn’t have complied in the same manner and I did prior to a cop telling me he didn’t believe me after blowing a 0.0

[YattaOkasan]

Why are parts of this discussion so binary.  There are levels of uncooperative not just cooperative and resisting handcuffs.  I think I would have been worse than Ed. 

 

@Call_Of_Ktulu I'm not sure if youre not reading the whole thread but its been pointed out several times that the beer can was for spit.  How it got empty is a different story but its pretty clear now he wasn't drinking it when they pulled him over.  

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yes. That is how police encounters work. Under any circumstance, you have to comply. If you do not, the police will use the appropriate amount of force to achieve compliance. Once force is introduced, the situation becomes unpredictable and you risk serious injury and/or death.  That is true regardless of race, and the suggestion that it is "odd" that failure to comply could result in serious injury is absurd. Does anyone really believe they can say "no" to the police? 

I don’t believe you can.

 

i don’t know if you think that may sometimes be a problem. Or if you think sometimes they do use inappropriate force.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No.  If you read my follow up response to your selected quote I said that I wouldn’t comply as I originally did.  I’d still comply, I’d just have some choice words for him rather than keeping my mouth shut.

Yes, I wouldn’t have complied in the same manner and I did prior to a cop telling me he didn’t believe me after blowing a 0.0

 

I don't really follow what you are saying, but I think a pretty significant piece is missing from what you are saying: the cops were arresting him for suspicion of being under the influence of alcohol (that may have been the original reason they pulled him over); they were arresting him for being under the influence of illicit substances, hence they clean blood test was the deciding factor. The cops would have had that conversation with Ed Oliver. He would have understood that blowing a 0.0 wasn't going to be enough to get him off. 

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I don’t believe you can.

 

i don’t know if you think that may sometimes be a problem. Or if you think sometimes they do use inappropriate force.

 

I don't follow what your saying here.  

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

So you feel cops should base everything off of a machine that might not be working correctly or calibrated properly? You don't think they should take into account that another driver called in saying he was driving erratically in a construction zone or the beer can between his legs or the stumbling during the sobriety test? 

I think there are way more jerks out there calling in bogus reports than breathalyzers that show 0.0 when someone is drunk.  

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I don't really follow what you are saying, but I think a pretty significant piece is missing from what you are saying: the cops were arresting him for suspicion of being under the influence of alcohol (that may have been the original reason they pulled him over); they were arresting him for being under the influence of illicit substances, hence they clean blood test was the deciding factor. The cops would have had that conversation with Ed Oliver. He would have understood that blowing a 0.0 wasn't going to be enough to get him off. 

 

I don't follow what your saying here.  

You don’t follow.  I can live with that.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, NewEra said:

I think there are way more jerks out there calling in bogus reports than breathalyzers that show 0.0 when someone is drunk.  

 

My wife calls in erratic drivers. It makes me immeasurably angry. Outside extreme circumstances, people should not be calling in bad drivers. 

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think there are way more jerks out there calling in bogus reports than breathalyzers that show 0.0 when someone is drunk.  

You don’t follow.  I can live with that.

 

At the risk of sounding snarky, when I say "I don't follow," I mean that the words you are using are unclear. I don't understand the point you are trying to convey. 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Wish Beane and Coach McD could take over Radio.com.  Error in middle of audio and it had no issue showing ads.  

Before Radio.com took over I used to listen to game when I was too tired from work or my feet could not handle drive.

 

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[GaryPinC]

37 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

So you feel cops should base everything off of a machine that might not be working correctly or calibrated properly? You don't think they should take into account that another driver called in saying he was driving erratically in a construction zone or the beer can between his legs or the stumbling during the sobriety test? 

 

Holy hell.  Others have been trying to tell you but you keep ignoring.   HE DID NOT HAVE A BEER CAN BETWEEN HIS LEGS.   It was in the side door and used for his dip spit.  Easily proven by pouring it out.

 

Whether the cops did the right thing or not I won't comment on as it's their judgement, but blowing a 0.00 and NOT having an open beer would change my perception.

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

 

Holy hell.  Others have been trying to tell you but you keep ignoring.   HE DID NOT HAVE A BEER CAN BETWEEN HIS LEGS.   It was in the side door and used for his dip spit.  Easily proven by pouring it out.

 

Whether the cops did the right thing or not I won't comment on as it's their judgement, but blowing a 0.00 and NOT having an open beer would change my perception.

 

Cops got their quota,

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

 

Holy hell.  Others have been trying to tell you but you keep ignoring.   HE DID NOT HAVE A BEER CAN BETWEEN HIS LEGS.   It was in the side door and used for his dip spit.  Easily proven by pouring it out.

 

Whether the cops did the right thing or not I won't comment on as it's their judgement, but blowing a 0.00 and NOT having an open beer would change my perception.

 

That fact doesn't change anything . . . 

[Jobot]

The officer doesn't believe in breathalyzer data and also believe the Earth is flat. We must respect his ignorance in all aspects of life.

52 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

People can be under the influence of substances that are not alcohol...

 

If you are taught your whole life that the police are the enemy, you will think that the police are your enemy.

 

If you are taught your whole life that police are pulling you over because of the color of your skin, you will think the police are pulling you over because of the color of your skin. 

 

100% agree. But can't blindly give all police benefit of the doubt any longer until they reform training and qualifications.

[Bob in STL]

46 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

As i've stated before just because you blow a 0.0 doesn't mean you will not be arrested. I'm not sure if he got special treatment but when it comes to situations like this I always get that gut feeling that he did.

 

For most of us, you blow 0.0 and they should let you go.   Especially if he was polite and cooperative. 

 

According to reports, the open beer can was apparently used as a spittoon filled with Tobacco chew juice (allegedly left in the car by his friend).   It would have been simple to explain that.  The video of him walking during the sobriety tests to me showed no red flags, although i m not trained to make that call, I saw nothing obviously wrong with him.

 

Special treatment - Unless you think that special treatment is being held in jail, being subjected to a blood test, and long delays getting results, I see this as the opposite of special treatment.  

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

7 minutes ago, Jobot said:

The officer doesn't believe in breathalyzer data and also believe the Earth is flat. We must respect his ignorance in all aspects of life.

 

100% agree. But can't blindly give all police benefit of the doubt any longer until they reform training and qualifications.

 

I can get behind this. The answer is always in the middle.  On the one hand, cops need to exercise wayyyyy more restraint. On the other hand, people interacting with cops have to understand they don't get to disregard a police officer's orders. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

21 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

 

Holy hell.  Others have been trying to tell you but you keep ignoring.   HE DID NOT HAVE A BEER CAN BETWEEN HIS LEGS.   It was in the side door and used for his dip spit.  Easily proven by pouring it out.

 

Whether the cops did the right thing or not I won't comment on as it's their judgement, but blowing a 0.00 and NOT having an open beer would change my perception.

Don't invite suspicion or trouble by driving around with empty alcohol containers in your vehicle. I don't care if he was peeing into it, when a cop sees a beer can in a vehicle there are red flags. The situation was safe for Oliver and confirmed safe for the public, this situation was handled perfectly in my opinion and I'll leave it at that.

Edited August 10, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

 

For most of us, you blow 0.0 and they should let you go.   Especially if he was polite and cooperative. 

I’ve had people blow 0.00, act polite and cooperative but still be under the influence of a controlled substance. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

 

According to reports, the open beer can was apparently used as a spittoon filled with Tobacco chew juice (allegedly left in the car by his friend).   It would have been simple to explain that. 

It doesn’t matter what the can was used for. An open alcohol container, empty or not, is still against the law, at least in NY.

 

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

The video of him walking during the sobriety tests to me showed no red flags, although i m not trained to make that call, I saw nothing obviously wrong with him.

Well, you said yourself, you’re not trained and don’t know what to look for. Just from watching the video I saw at least 2 clues. That’s not to say I agree with the decision to arrest Ed. I wasn’t there and obviously wasn’t part of the investigation. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Special treatment - Unless you think that special treatment is being held in jail, being subjected to a blood test, and long delays getting results, I see this as the opposite of special treatment.

Seems like he was treated the same way anyone else would’ve been treated under similar circumstances. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Right over my head? Another person called the cops to say that a truck was speeding and driving erratic in a construction zone. The open beer between his legs along with the field sobriety test is what got him arrested. Just because you blow a 0.0 doesn't mean you can't be arrested for DUI. I have been involved with DUI's with 10 of my white friends who all got handcuffed and arrested, only one got off because he refused to blow and his dad was the mayor of west Chicago and by the way he was Mexican if that has anything to do with it. 

Your anecdotal stories are not proofs. 

You were involved in ten DUI’s ? no offense but I’m not taking any DUI advice from you, nuttin but luv dude,

 

Go Bills!!!

[Bob in STL]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

I’ve had people blow 0.00, act polite and cooperative but still be under the influence of a controlled substance. 

 

It doesn’t matter what the can was used for. An open alcohol container, empty or not, is still against the law, at least in NY.

 

Well, you said yourself, you’re not trained and don’t know what to look for. Just from watching the video I saw at least 2 clues. That’s not to say I agree with the decision to arrest Ed. I wasn’t there and obviously wasn’t part of the investigation. 

 

Seems like he was treated the same way anyone else would’ve been treated under similar circumstances. 

 

Sounds like you are in law enforcement so I will defer to you -.  Oliver clearly did not get special treatment. 

 

I am just happy Oliver was clean on all testing.  Good for him. 

[GoBills808]

22 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

 

It doesn’t matter what the can was used for. An open alcohol container, empty or not, is still against the law, at least in NY.

 

 

Really? I found this for NY on the google, which is similar to Texas-

 

 

The drinking of alcoholic beverages, or the possession of an open container containing an alcoholic beverage, in a motor vehicle located upon the public highways or right-of-way public highway is prohibited. 

 

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

32 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

It doesn’t matter what the can was used for. An open alcohol container, empty or not, is still against the law, at least in NY.

 

Really, then how are you supposed to take the cans back to the store?

@BringBackFergy    This looks like a job for William Mattar

[Sharky7337]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

Does this happen to white drivers as well?  

Happened to me as a kid at least 4 or 6 times. This BS race baiting division crap needs to stop. I blew a 0.0 when I got brought to the station and I was at the time making poor choices and I got lucky. It happens and I was in the wrong. 

 

Accountability is about decisions choices and actions not skin color. 

 

So sick of hearing these spoiled rotten athletes talk about could have been them and how unfair the US while they make more money in one year then most in their lifetime. Shut up and play the game and be grateful to the country that gave you this opportunity. 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Sharky7337

[RiotAct]

this is going well.

[Bangarang]

23 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

 

Sounds like you are in law enforcement so I will defer to you -.  Oliver clearly did not get special treatment. 

 

I am just happy Oliver was clean on all testing.  Good for him. 

No, I wouldn’t say he got special treatment. 

[DCbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Not to be pulled over.  Going 20 mph over the speed limit and weaving through traffic is going with the flow in Houston.

Weaving thru traffic is one thing.  Unable to maintain your lane I.e. drifting is totally different.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

5 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

Happened to me as a kid at least 4 or 6 times. This BS race baiting division crap needs to stop. I blew a 0.0 when I got brought to the station and I was at the time making poor choices and I got lucky. It happens and I was in the wrong. 

 

Accountability is about decisions choices and actions not skin color. 

 

 

 

So you don’t believe that there are instances of black people being treated unfairly purely because of their race?

 

Racism is a thing.  It’s not everything, but it’s real and it’s heavily embedded in our criminal justice system.  You don’t like facts?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

19 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

 

Really, then how are you supposed to take the cans back to the store?

@BringBackFergy    This looks like a job for William Mattar

 

 

LOL  Beat me to it !!!

 

 

[Sharky7337]

7 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

So you don’t believe that there are instances of black people being treated unfairly purely because of their race?

 

Racism is a thing.  It’s not everything, but it’s real and it’s heavily embedded in our criminal justice system.  You don’t like facts?

 

Show me a fact that supports this. Just because one group commits more crime and gets arrested for it doesn't mean it's racism.

 

Show me a law that directly targets a specific group of people passed since 1980.

 

Get your garbage politics out of here. 

 

Are there people who are racist? Absolutely.

 

Are their isolated incidents? Sure there are. 

 

Is the whole country out to get people of certain groups? Your out of your mind.

 

This country is so racist our last president was black!

Edited August 10, 2020 by Sharky7337