YoloinOhio Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Edited August 5, 2020 by YoloinOhio 7 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Dont have a problem with it at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Nuthin wrong with this, Beane staying a step ahead of the inevitable, ? Go Bills!!! Edited August 5, 2020 by Don Otreply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This makes a lot of sense - with all the uncertainty of how the salary cap will be impacted as the financial hit from COVID-19 is expected to be spread over the next few seasons. Trying to set up for Salary Cap flexibility moving forward seems wise -- we finally seem to have a Front Office that is getting out in front of things, rather than being far behind everyone else. Portends well for the franchise for the future. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Seems reasonable for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Think I predicted something like this a few months ago. You can get Diggs to do anything you want with his money later by frontloading it a bit now because of the contract they inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I trust Beane and his staff implicitly. How long has it been since I could say that? Polian? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 was expected. Diggs’ two main complaints in Minnesota (9reading between the lines) were a. shift to a run heavy offense that ignored him early in the season b. underpaid in terms of guaranteed money you don’t give up a first round pick for a player you wouldn’t keep next season or two - so why not add the guaranteed amt - keep the player happy and add to the flexibility in 2022-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 What? WHAAAT?!? 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boater Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Nice to see Beane paying attention to the bean counter side. Such an improvement since when Rex and Doug would commit to a player, then throw the contract talk over the wall and tell the contract staff (Oberdorf?) to work it out. And the result = an overpaid player. Good to see Beane taking care of details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: What? WHAAAT?!? I'm going to have the same reaction when we get McCaffrey.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2022-23 cash from $25.55m to $22.67m - Is that supposed to be an option year and put in so to extend number of years signing bonus spread out when Vikings extended him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Limeaid said: 2022-23 cash from $25.55m to $22.67m - Is that supposed to be an option year and put in so to extend number of years signing bonus spread out when Vikings extended him? Not really, his contract extension he signed with the Vikings ran thru the 2023 season. It seems the Bills just front loaded it more with some more guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, HOUSE said: Was there anything in there about lowering my seasons ticket cost for 2021 ? Yes. If COVID-19 issue is not resolved you will not need them in 2021 hence 0. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: Yes. If COVID-19 issue is not resolved you will not need them in 2021 hence 0. I knew something big was coming..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: 3D Chess at a Grandmaster level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 hours ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: I trust Beane and his staff implicitly. How long has it been since I could say that? Polian? I'd pump the brakes a little. He overpaid for Star and Murphy. Signed an over the hill Gore and signed a DB that quit at halftime. Evaluate each move on its own. This is a good move. It puts more money in Diggs' pocket now hopefully avoiding a contract squabble later. Its a good gesture to hopefully avoid future headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) How anyone can question Beane is beyond me. The move with Long had purpose, this move has purpose. Beane knows he is going to have to rework Diggs deal in two years, so who cares if he moves money forward on it? Beane shows constantly why he gets paid big money to run the Bills and none of us do. Edited August 5, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Bulldog said: This makes a lot of sense - with all the uncertainty of how the salary cap will be impacted as the financial hit from COVID-19 is expected to be spread over the next few seasons. Trying to set up for Salary Cap flexibility moving forward seems wise -- we finally seem to have a Front Office that is getting out in front of things, rather than being far behind everyone else. Portends well for the franchise for the future. I see a lot of people make the same mistake Garofolo did there. Moving a little money forward in Diggs’ deal was doing him a solid. That’s all fine. But it doesn’t help the team at all. That’s because of carryover. $3M spent now or $3M carried over for two seasons and then spent is little different. In normal times moving cap hits to future years does have a benefit because the cap usually increases so the team gets a bit of a discount percentage wise. As for Diggs’ deal I suspect that he got a bunch of his 2020 salary as a signing bonus. That will actually create more cap space this season and next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 5 hours ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: I trust Beane and his staff implicitly. How long has it been since I could say that? Polian? Now the Pegulas need to lock up Beane and McDermott long term 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'd pump the brakes a little. He overpaid for Star and Murphy. Signed an over the hill Gore and signed a DB that quit at halftime. Evaluate each move on its own. This is a good move. It puts more money in Diggs' pocket now hopefully avoiding a contract squabble later. Its a good gesture to hopefully avoid future headaches. I didn't mean to imply that I thought Beane was perfect. There's been misses here and there, although I can't agree with 3 of your 4 examples. Star and Trent may have been paid handsomely, but they've been starters/contributors on a Top 3 defense since they've been here. Gore was signed primarily as a locker room leader, and the ultimate mentor for a stud rookie RB. Over-using him in the 2nd half of last season was due to the inexplicably ultra-conservative philosophy and play-calling by the HC and OC. And Vontae Davis...well, you got me there. Somebody should have seen that he was a petulant child at some point before the Big Bail. Anyway, Beane's hit to miss ratio when it comes to finding the right players in FA and the draft has to be in the neighborhood of 10:1. And his overall cap management is among the effective in the league. I'll take the bad with the good with this guy, because there ain't a whole lot of the former. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: I didn't mean to imply that I thought Beane was perfect. There's been misses here and there, although I can't agree with 3 of your 4 examples. Star and Trent may have been paid handsomely, but they've been starters/contributors on a Top 3 defense since they've been here. Gore was signed primarily as a locker room leader, and the ultimate mentor for a stud rookie RB. Over-using him in the 2nd half of last season was due to the inexplicably ultra-conservative philosophy and play-calling by the HC and OC. And Vontae Davis...well, you got me there. Somebody should have seen that he was a petulant child at some point before the Big Bail. Anyway, Beane's hit to miss ratio when it comes to finding the right players in FA and the draft has to be in the neighborhood of 10:1. And his overall cap management is among the effective in the league. I'll take the bad with the good with this guy, because there ain't a whole lot of the former. Also for what it's worth, even the players seemed shocked about "Uncle Vontae". Remember Shady and Tre talking about him LOL. "Its a young man's game" LOL It looked bad on the Bills, but they shouldnt be blamed for it, they've had a lot more that a boys then oh craps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Just doing the math, if they don’t tear up and redo his contract in two years, it basically is $120 k raise, and just pushed moving $ forward. I think it’s a good decision, and Diggs will be happy, we use our $ while we have it and preemptively handles the expected loss in cap space Next year. Beane is shrewd. I really hope we do extend Beane and McD as soon as we can afford it as they are great for this team and city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Diggs restructure deal on Spotrac. It's like we thought, just front loaded with 2021 guaranteed. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 My God I love Beane and this front office 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Ah, so Beane playing Belichickian chess for Covid pre-Covid?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Ah, so Beane playing Belichickian chess for Covid pre-Covid?! Live long and prosper, HUDS. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 36 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Live long and prosper, HUDS. ? Respect, Donuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: meh. They could’ve rolled it over and had more flexibility than accelerating pay and ramping up guarantees. they wanted to earn Goodwill with a moody player that will without question be on the roster the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: meh. They could’ve rolled it over and had more flexibility than accelerating pay and ramping up guarantees. they wanted to earn Goodwill with a moody player that will without question be on the roster the next few years. I mean they decided on this deal before the year went and folded in on itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 19 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I see a lot of people make the same mistake Garofolo did there. Moving a little money forward in Diggs’ deal was doing him a solid. That’s all fine. But it doesn’t help the team at all. That’s because of carryover. $3M spent now or $3M carried over for two seasons and then spent is little different. In normal times moving cap hits to future years does have a benefit because the cap usually increases so the team gets a bit of a discount percentage wise. As for Diggs’ deal I suspect that he got a bunch of his 2020 salary as a signing bonus. That will actually create more cap space this season and next. agreed across the board. This is purely getting some love from a guy that left his last job unhappy. He’s trying to start on the right foot without actually giving much up. Just now, Warcodered said: I mean they decided on this deal before the year went and folded in on itself. which makes no difference to the point I made. the deal made us less flexible not more and benefited almost exclusively diggs. Our upside is the dude likes buffalo out of the gate. Our cost is almost nothing though because we weren’t shipping him out any time soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJBrown7 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 3:34 PM, Chandler#81 said: What? WHAAAT?!? That kid is already cool by rocking the Biscuit jersey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Being proactive with a player who was under-compensated, before it is a problem is a good move. Builds trust and culture. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 8D chess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 12:53 PM, YoloinOhio said: This is what being a great GM looks like. I have been saying and will keep saying it...Beene is without question one of the top GM's in the NFL, and once the Bills put some playoff wins on their record, there will be no way to deny that anymore. His ability to manage the cap, keep players happy, manage contracts, find talent, pull the trigger when he sees fit on moves, get value from our scrap heap in trades, etc etc is as good as anyones in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 9:34 PM, Chandler#81 said: What? WHAAAT?!? That was pretty much how I reacted only with more inappropriate self touching. I just watched his presser. He is such a perfect personality fit for this team. He "loves the process" says "every year is a new year" and he "loves the grind". If he needs someone to grind against then I am available any time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Let this be the only time I see a thread subject with the words ‘Diggs’ and ‘Tweaked’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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