Cam Newton to Pats.

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I predict Cam will be a disaster in New England

The flamboyance of Cam and the stoic coach. This won't end well. That's why he's a 1 year rental. Not that worried but he is better than whatever Stidham would've been so the Bills will have to step it up.

[NickelCity]

Pat's were already a 8-8/9-7 team regardless of QB. This obviously improves them. It's their division unless Josh steps up and we take it.

[BornAgainBillsFan]

As a Bills fan, I'm all for this move by NE:

1) The Pats were in cap hell before adding $7.5mil to the mix. They'll have to jettison even more legit talent to fit a broken-down Cam in there.

2) Belichick's head will explode weekly when he sees Cam's "look at me!" press conference wardrobes. Not exactly a fit for "The Patriot Way", huh??

[Rico]

3 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said:

As a Bills fan, I'm all for this move by NE:

1) The Pats were in cap hell before adding $7.5mil to the mix. They'll have to jettison even more legit talent to fit a broken-down Cam in there.

2) Belichick's head will explode weekly when he sees Cam's "look at me!" press conference wardrobes. Not exactly a fit for "The Patriot Way", huh??

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

They both suck that’s the point 

 

Peterman is all time bad from game 1. Least talented QB to maybe get any real NFL look.

 

EJ showed promise at points. He actually played decent at points.

 

Big difference.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, CSBill said:

No surprise. He’s better than that War Eagle guy, but Bills are still team to beat in AFC East. 

 

 

IMO this evens things up. I had us as the team to beat if they started Stidham, but with someone better, it's a horse race. Which is more than has been able to be said for a long time.

41 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The flamboyance of Cam and the stoic coach. This won't end well. That's why he's a 1 year rental. Not that worried but he is better than whatever Stidham would've been so the Bills will have to step it up.

 

 

I think it could go either way. Gronk wasn't exactly a shrinking violet. And nobody has said that Cam doesn't give it his all on the field. Nor is Edelman. Nor was Moss.

[Nextmanup]

I love how Bills fans figured the plan in New England would be to move on from Tom Brady and then....

 

...not replace him with anyone???

 

I'm no Cam Newton lover but he isn't inept, they still have a great D up there, and Bill Belichick is still Bill Belichick.

 

I wonder if McDermott can actually win a game against them this year.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

[JetsFan20]

9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Peterman is all time bad from game 1. Least talented QB to maybe get any real NFL look.

 

EJ showed promise at points. He actually played decent at points.

 

Big difference.

EJ Manuel only really got one season (15 starts) before the Bills knew he wasn’t the answer. He’s now out of the league.

 

I think Manuel’s style infuriated coaches and players. He was inaccurate and also afraid to throw the ball down the field. 
 

 

[Mat68]

Cam with an offensive wizard like Mcdaniels, will be successfull.  He fits the style of play the offense has shaped into.  Run heavy, with chunk plays coming from play action.  New England wasnt going to roll over and die.  Its on the Bills to take everything from them.   

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

Cam with an offensive wizard like Mcdaniels, will be successfull.  He fits the style of play the offense has shaped into.  Run heavy, with chunk plays coming from play action.  New England wasnt going to roll over and die.  Its on the Bills to take everything from them.   

Their problem is the lack of speed on offense. Maybe they can address that before the season. They will see no respect deep.

[JetsFan20]

I really like the way BB built this offense. 
 

Solid OL, Harry, Sanu, Edelman, two rookie TEs, Michel, James White. 
 

There is a ton of really high quality possession types options for Newton and Stidham. 
 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Yeah he had one massive anomaly season, the only one of his career where he had at least a 2-1 TD-INT ratio and the only one in the last seven years with better than 7.2 yards per pass.  Also the only year he had a passer rating over 88 without dumping 107 completions to CMC.  SOMETHING good was going on with that team and I don't think it was all on Cam.

 

Do you think he's magically going to have that kind of season again 5 years later and coming off two injuries?

 

*edit for emphasis*

Outside of that anomaly MVP season with a 3.5-1 TD-INT ratio, he's a career 1.5-1 QB.

Just for emphasis Josh Allen has a career 1.42 TD/INT ratio.  So even after removing Newton's best season he is still ahead of Allen.  Ok got it.  Thanks.  

[Putin]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Just for emphasis Josh Allen has a career 1.42 TD/INT ratio.  So even after removing Newton's best season he is still ahead of Allen.  Ok got it.  Thanks.  

Josh Allen only played two seasons , and for the first time he will actually have a true number 1 WR 

[JetsFan20]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Just for emphasis Josh Allen has a career 1.42 TD/INT ratio.  So even after removing Newton's best season he is still ahead of Allen.  Ok got it.  Thanks.  

TD/INT ratio isn’t that important IMO. You can have one or two games that skews it in either direction. Look at the Redskins who completely tanked the last two weeks of the season on defense giving up 9 combined TD passes to Dak Prescott and Daniel Jones. Great stat padding for those guys. 
 

I think YPA is the best stat to give you an idea as to how effective a QB is. For a standard QB I think anything below 7.5 isn’t workable. Guys like Allen and Newton can probably be a little under that given their ability to run. 
 

Newton is strange in that his first two years and his MVP year he was 7.8+ which is very good. Beyond that he’s only been above 7.0 one time. 

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Hey Bill.....here is a little exercise for you.....show me the name players that have gone to New England to get their careers going again.

 

Then I will provide you a list of players where they went to New England and didnt.....

 

Go ahead.....lets play

 

 

Not to defend Bill so much, but I agree with this much, that New England has helped a lot of guys reenergize their careers or create them from nothing. It hasn't worked with everyone by any means, but their tactic of bringing in undervalued guys has worked very well over the years.

 

Welker

Amendola

Dion Lewis

Chris Hogan

Kyle Van Noy

Ninkovich

Brandon LaFell

LeGarrette Blount

Dan Connolly

Randy Moss (yeah, he'd clearly been dogging it in Oakland)

Danny Woodhead

Vrabel

Larry Izzo

Corey Dillon coming off a down year

Reche Caldwell (RIP) had by far his best year for them

David Patten

Joe Andruzzi

Antowain Smith

 

Revis was expensive, but helped bring a championship his one year

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

45 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Just for emphasis Josh Allen has a career 1.42 TD/INT ratio.  So even after removing Newton's best season he is still ahead of Allen.  Ok got it.  Thanks.  

 

 

Well, yeah, if you throw in Allen's rookie year that was supposed to be a redshirt, yeah, you can make things look bad. But last year Allen was 20/9. More, he greatly improved last year after the NE game. In his last 12 games he had 17 TDs and 3 INTs.

 

But yeah, throw in the old data if you want to make him look bad.

 

Not that Allen doesn't have a long way to go. He does. But your argument ignores his trajectory totally, which for a young and improving guy distorts the picture.

[njbuff]

There is a reason Cam is an ex-Panther.

 

Watch him get beat out by Stidham.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said:

EJ Manuel only really got one season (15 starts) before the Bills knew he wasn’t the answer. He’s now out of the league.

 

I think Manuel’s style infuriated coaches and players. He was inaccurate and also afraid to throw the ball down the field.

 

Still much better than Nathan Peterman, perhaps the worst QB to see any significant real NFL game action.

 

Anyone with eyes could see he would suck from the start.

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said:

EJ Manuel only really got one season (15 starts) before the Bills knew he wasn’t the answer. He’s now out of the league.

 

I think Manuel’s style infuriated coaches and players. He was inaccurate and also afraid to throw the ball down the field. 
 

 

More gripping input from our Jet troll. Thanks! None of us knew this!

smh

[cd1]

Belicheat can work magic but... 

 

He couldn't fix CRAZY (AB)!

 

It has been a while since Cam had to buckle down and concentrate.

Edited June 29, 2020 by cd1

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

30 minutes ago, cd1 said:

It has been a while since Cam had to buckle down and concentrate.

You are correct.  That babushka clashes with that shirt.

[FLFan]

Apparently no one has seen him play for the last several years.  You are all afraid of the ghost of Cam Newton.  

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

That’s funny. 
 

He better win quickly because the Bahhston media won’t be as nice as the Charlotte media 

[JMF2006]

11 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

Who better to take him down than McDermott? We know what he can do, we know what he can’t. Looking forward to the matchup no matter what

 

We know what he can't do....... stay healthy

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Pats Panthers on nfl network right now lol 

[Bferra13]

Almost seems like a desperation move. We shall see though. This has boom or bust written all over it.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I don't suppose the Patriots get any compensatory draft picks under some obscure 'Put a (NFL) Veteran to Work' program?  ?

[JMF2006]

9 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I don't suppose the Patriots get any compensatory draft picks under some obscure 'Put a (NFL) Veteran to Work' program?  ?

 

They just lost a 3rd so my bet is they get 2

[PetermansRedemption]

14 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

Almost seems like a desperation move. We shall see though. This has boom or bust written all over it.

It definitely is on the part of Cam. No one else was coming calling. Also, on the part of the Pats, I love it. That team is suddenly off the Stidham jockstrap. I guess he isn’t the second coming after all. 

41 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Apparently no one has seen him play for the last several years.  You are all afraid of the ghost of Cam Newton.  

0-8 in his last 8 starts. Multiple injuries, I’m not worried about Cam Newton at all. Some people would be worried about Nathan Peterman if he signed with New England. 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Not really that concerned. He still needs receivers to catch the ball and Cam cant seem to stay healthy.

 

Add in the fact that Cam has an attitude problem that may not sit well with BB and Im not that worried 

[PetermansRedemption]

Just now, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Not really that concerned. He still needs receivers to catch the ball and Cam cant seem to stay healthy.

 

Add in the fact that Cam has an attitude problem that may not sit well with BB and Im not that worried 

There isn’t much more of a contrast we can get in post game interviews. Cam and then Bill ? 

[YoloinOhio]

5 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Maybe Ken Dorsey can matter in this regard?

I was going to mention that as well. Dorsey knows his tendencies better than just about anyone. Cam has shown to not take criticism well or at all and will be interesting to see if belichick tries to coach him like he did Brady. Cam is used to being coddled from what I hear. Nothing was ever his fault. Meanwhile Brady won 6 SBs and went 20 years never even winning patriot of the week. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[CEN-CAL17]

Cam hasn’t been Cam since the 2016 season... every season after that he’s been shaky, up and down. Injured, a head case and missed all of last year. Now fans think he’s just gonna jump into a very dynamic scheme and just gonna light it up? The dude had a solid offense in Carolina and was the reason for their struggles!

[teef]

what a piece of news to wake up to.  it will be interesting if nothing else.

[YoloinOhio]

Who is the poster who used to have the annual Cam Newton excuse thread? ?

[teef]

11 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

while bills fans were fantasizing about a home playoff game the patriots were developing an offense to fit Cam Newton lol 

 

what a nightmare smh 

are you aware of the term, "sad sack"?

[Back2Buff]

4 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Cam with an offensive wizard like Mcdaniels, will be successfull.  He fits the style of play the offense has shaped into.  Run heavy, with chunk plays coming from play action.  New England wasnt going to roll over and die.  Its on the Bills to take everything from them.   

 

McDaniels is an offensive wizard like Cam is a future HOFer.  Where do people come up with this stuff?  I'm convinced most people actually don't want games or even follow the NFL on a year by year basis and just just check in once every decade.

 

 

[nucci]

38 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

Almost seems like a desperation move. We shall see though. This has boom or bust written all over it.

so it could go either way?

[Buffalo Boy]

51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s funny. 
 

He better win quickly because the Bahhston media won’t be as nice as the Charlotte media 

I promise you there are already callers in Bahhstin screaming, “ We gave up Taummy for this?” ?