Is now the time to remove OJ Simpson from the wall of fame and HOF?

[JMF2006]

8 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

The "civil war" is not between the races. Race is the wedge issue being exploited to initiate the conflict. 

 

Just as OJ, who distanced himself from the black community for most of his adult life, exploited race to influence his trial.

 

The real question is, if OJ can get away with murder, why can't Oliver have a few drinks and drive home?

 

Well if  he  goes to trial and the bottle doesn't fit his hand.....

[Billzfan37]

Ah so you can be the best at everything in this world, but if enough people disagree with your conduct after your career is over, you lose all your accolades.  Way to go conduct police!  JFC - activism and moral policing is like sports for USELESS PEOPLE.  Reading some of these comments is HYSTERICAL!  While we are at it, let's take away all of Babe Ruth's accolades because black people weren't allowed in the MLB then.  Our country is a bunch of whiny tenderfoot babies who have super sensitive feelings.

[apuszczalowski]

On 6/10/2020 at 11:50 PM, Rob's House said:

 

The "civil war" is not between the races. Race is the wedge issue being exploited to initiate the conflict. 

 

Just as OJ, who distanced himself from the black community for most of his adult life, exploited race to influence his trial.

 

The real question is, if OJ can get away with murder, why can't Oliver have a few drinks and drive home?

Because Oliver hasn't reached a level anywhere near what OJ had ever reached during his career

Edited June 12, 2020 by apuszczalowski

[stuvian]

as he killed white people it's no big thing 

[GregPersons]

3 hours ago, stuvian said:

as he killed white people it's no big thing 

 

Good point, the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman was by all accounts "no big thing." Oh wait.

[Mr. WEO]

Ford releases the new Bronco....on OJ's birthday!!

 

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2020/06/15/new-ford-bronco-july-9-oj-simpson-birthday/3190996001/

[T&C]

O.J. is a free man now...

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/12/14/o-j--simpson--completely-free-man-

[Nextmanup]

This is the type of thing that a lot of people get really fired up about.

I'm not one of those people.  I voted "leave him on the wall".

 

He's there b/c of what he did on a football field, and that hasn't changed.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Nextmanup

[Evian]

He did it but was found not guilty. Can't remove him.  

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Anyone who thinks he should remain on the Wall doesn't value life, clearly... so if you found out a good family friend was a pedophile, would you want them around or associated with your family in any way if a court of law said they were not guilty but you believe your family member they were sexually assaulted?

 

Yeah, "it's just football" is an EXCUSE.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

I voted to remove, but now I kinda want to rescind my vote.

 

 

Knowing what we now know about CTE, and the results we've seen in players who have done horrible things, I now wonder what role that possibly played in all this?  Considering his other documented rage issues, I'm not saying it's an excuse, but it certainly follows a disturbing pattern we've seen in those afflicted with CTE, almost akin to another tragedy like Chris Benoit's, where he was shown to have extreme CTE.  

Edited December 15, 2021 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

[Chaos]

I think it makes more sense to take OJ off the wall than I o remove Thomas Jefferson from positions of honor. On the other hand his place on the wall makes more sense than a George Floyd statue anywhere. 

[Chicharito]

You can not erase that he did on the field. Just like all the rest of the monuments being tore down across this country you cant erase history!

[BarleyNY]

48 minutes ago, Chicharito said:

You can not erase that he did on the field. Just like all the rest of the monuments being tore down across this country you cant erase history!

Monuments are not how you tell history, they are how you honor people, events, etc.  The easy answer is to leave his name up on this stadium, but omit it from the new one.  

[Nextmanup]

On 6/9/2020 at 8:51 AM, BarleyNY said:

Take him off.  The wall in the Bills stadium is a reflection of its fans.  It is a list of those we respect the most.  Simpson certainly was a phenomenal player, but that’s not the whole test for me.  He murdered people.  He’s trash and I don’t respect trash.  I don’t want his name up there.  Fans shouldn’t have to stand under it to cheer and good human beings like Lorenzo Alexander and Kyle Williams shouldn’t have to play under it. 

It is?  A list that fans "respect" the most?  Where is that written and/or how did you come up with that, other than just by writing it?

 

 I always assumed the wall is place to acknowledge the best players in team history, and OJ most definitely that.

I think I would place him #1 on the all time list of best Buffalo Bills.

 

Only player who comes close in the consideration is Bruce Smith, but OJ beats him out IMO.

 

Can't change history.

 

 

 

 

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

It is?  A list that fans "respect" the most?  Where is that written and/or how did you come up with that, other than just by writing it?

 

 I always assumed the wall is place to acknowledge the best players in team history, and OJ most definitely that.

I think I would place him #1 on the all time list of best Buffalo Bills.

 

Only player who comes close in the consideration is Bruce Smith, but OJ beats him out IMO.

 

Can't change history.

 

 

 

 

So it isn’t a sign of respect to put players names on the wall of honor?

[JoPoy88]

Digging through the thread graveyard around here recently huh? This barely qualifies as news

[Buffalo ill]

This is such a dumb woke topic.  Cancel culture is ######ed 

[Breakout Squad]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

This is such a dumb woke topic.  Cancel culture is ######ed 

Cancel culture is a problem no matter where you are on the political spectrum 

[dpberr]

I wonder how many of you who voted "yes" think Ray Lewis is a stand up guy.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

54 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Only player who comes close in the consideration is Bruce Smith, but OJ beats him out IMO.

 

Can't change history.

 

 

 

 

 

SO WHAT if he was the greatest Bills player in our history? He's a murdering scumbag. You can't change THAT either no matter how much football history you use to sugarcoat it.

 

To add, the fact that 77% of you voted NO to take him off the wall is a reflection of how badly our country's citizenry is at this point.

 

If you're willing to accept a multiple murderer on the Buffalo Bills Wall of Fame, then you will accept just about anything else in the name of a banner, and that's incredibly sad and pathetic. Rah Rah indeed.

Edited December 15, 2021 by EasternOHBillsFan

[SinceThe70s]

55 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Digging through the thread graveyard around here recently huh? This barely qualifies as news

 

Someone noted that OJ became a completely free man today and took the time to see if there was a relevant thread to add the observation to instead of starting a new thread. If you're not interested why drop in? Ironically, you were one of the most recent contributors to the original thread before it died out and got bumped today.

 

As an out-of-market fan whose allegiance to the Bills is tied heavily (but not exclusively) to OJ, the Wall of Fame conversation is a good one. I don't think they will ever invite OJ back to celebrate his Bills career in person (or absentia)  so it makes no sense to me that he's on the wall. But I'm fine with waiting for a new stadium before taking him off the wall.

Edited December 15, 2021 by SinceThe70s

[Southern_Bills]

Doing it now proves what? He had the murder situation, he was acquitted regardless of public opinion. 

 

Did time for armed robbery/false imprisonment. (Actual charges he was convicted of may be worded differently)

 

During all that and writing books on "if he killed nicole" this is the way he would have done it. Yet he was never removed, now they would remove him years later?

 

Makes no sense to me, if everyone was so upset they should have acted when things actually happened. 

[LABILLBACKER]

I guess if the Trojans don't care, Buffalo doesn't either. His jersey will probably be hanging in hell too.

[Richard Noggin]

Of course OJ Simpson was a Buffalo Bill. Fudging of course.

[Jay_Fixit]

On 6/9/2020 at 5:16 AM, Beast said:

As we are trying to reach racial harmony, and statues, tweets, comments, you name it, are under the microscope....should OJ be taken down from the wall?

 

Should his bust be taken out of the HOF?

 

Discuss.

Sorry brother. Nope.

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Monuments are not how you tell history, they are how you honor people, events, etc.  The easy answer is to leave his name up on this stadium, but omit it from the new one.  

I mean it is what they'll likely do it's the least kicking the hornets nest thing they could do.

[Richard Noggin]

2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Sorry brother. Nope.

But why not? I'd merely ask for expansion on your perspective. 

 

I tend to think someone like him should not be propped up and explicitly celebrated by the organization, given his documented violence towards women and others (even setting aside the "not guilty" nonsense). But I don't immediately hate people who disagree with me. 

 

Unless they just provide a one-word answer!

[JoPoy88]

5 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Someone noted that OJ became a completely free man today and took the time to see if there was a relevant thread to add the observation to instead of starting a new thread. If you're not interested why drop in? Ironically, you were one of the most recent contributors to the original thread before it died out and got bumped today.

 

As an out-of-market fan whose allegiance to the Bills is tied heavily (but not exclusively) to OJ, the Wall of Fame conversation is a good one. I don't think they will ever invite OJ back to celebrate his Bills career in person (or absentia)  so it makes no sense to me that he's on the wall. But I'm fine with waiting for a new stadium before taking him off the wall.

Okay. As an in-market fan, no one cares about any of this ****. This thread should have stayed dead. YAY OJ was released from parole. No one really cares.

[KeLLy1278]

The Juice is obviously a very controversial individual. Whichever way you side with is your business.  
 

Should OJ Simpson not be in the Hall of Fame or not be on the Bills Wall??  Obviously he SHOULD BE.  I wasn’t there to see him live but I’ve heard stories, seen highlights and read some of his stats.  4.7 yards a carry for his career.. he also did pretty well as a receiver if my memory serves..  

OJ stays.  Top five RB to ever play.

Edited December 15, 2021 by KeLLy1278

[Mr. K]

He is allowed to use social media.....

[gordong]

***** no

[george c]

Yes, he is a national embarrassment, and to have him recognized in Buffalo is simply inexcusable.

[Gugny]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean it is what they'll likely do it's the least kicking the hornets nest thing they could do.

 

I think it's weak.

 

Since the Pegulas bought the Bills, one of the primary notes they've struck is "giving women opportunities," including Kim Pegula taking the reigns.

 

How hypocritical of them to continue to celebrate a notorious woman abuser, whose abusive ways culminated in the horrific murder of his children's mother and her friend?

 

It's tone deaf and it's just plain wrong.

 

Let the HOF do whatever the ***** it wants.  They have their own rules and criteria.  The Pegulas have the power and authority to take that murderer's name off of the wall at any moment.  The fact that they haven't, yet, is nothing short of pathetic.

 

[Greg S]

What OJ did in his personal life is inexcusable but he along with Bruce Smith are the two greatest Bills players ever. That is also a fact. If the Pegula's choose to keep his name on the wall then that is their decision. Doesn't affect my life at all. If they choose to put him on the Bills new wall of fame in the new stadium I won't care one way or the other either. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

This poll result pretty much matches what I expected 

[badassgixxer05]

Cancel culture will say yes. Football fans will say he was the best Bill to ever run the ball. Him being a ***** person doesn't change that fact. He should stay.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

His name should have been removed years ago well before cancel culture existed.  Probably 2nd greatest Bills player only to Bruce Smith. Keep the stats. Throw out the person. 

[Bobby Hooks]

No. The biggest point for me being he was not found guilty. 
 

If he was, okay let’s have the discussion. But you can’t just decide someone’s a bad person because you believe it to be true. 
 

It starts a very bad precedent, and one that surely wouldn’t stop at being accused of murder. 

[KeLLy1278]

36 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

No. The biggest point for me being he was not found guilty. 
 

If he was, okay let’s have the discussion. But you can’t just decide someone’s a bad person because you believe it to be true. 
 

It starts a very bad precedent, and one that surely wouldn’t stop at being accused of murder. 

Agree.  Also, no one can argue what OJ accomplished on the field as a Buffalo Bill.  First ballot hall of famer.