bbb Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 To be voted on: If a team hires a minority head coach, that team, in the draft preceding the coach's second season, would move up six spots from where it is slotted to pick in the third round. A team would jump 10 spots under the same scenario for hiring a person of color as its primary football executive, a position more commonly known as general manager. If a team were to fill both positions with diverse candidates in the same year, that club could jump 16 spots -- six for the coach, 10 for the GM -- and potentially move from the top of the third round to the middle of the second round. Another incentive: a team's fourth-round pick would climb five spots in the draft preceding the coach's or GM's third year if he is still with the team. That is considered significant because Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph, two of the four African-American head coaches hired since 2017, were fired after one and two seasons, respectively. https://www.nfl.com/news/owners-to-vote-on-resolution-to-incentivize-minority-hc-gm-hires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Wow, did anyone else hear about this and maybe fill 7 pages of a topic on it already? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Just the way you phrased this makes me reconsider my opinion from the other thread. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 INinteresting. INteresring, INdeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 This is big news. I hope someone starts a thread on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: My kids even older love the Princess Bride. I can recite about half the movie I’ve seen it with them so many times. Thanks for the laugh. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 So, will Belichick dress in blackface every morning now? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 No...*****....way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 So if 30 years from now all the HC’s & GM’s are black will we have to do something similar to bring the white folks to the NFL ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Roger has been in his basement for a bit too long! 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: So, will Belichick dress in blackface every morning now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 All kidding aside, this is a stupid rule proposal. In management, my VP used to tell us to use diversity recruiters and prove we have made every effort to seek out diverse candidates. In my industry (medical device sales) women are also considered diversity candidates as the overwhelming majority of sales reps are Caucasian males. With that said, Greg always told us as long as we made all efforts to seek out diverse candidates, we should always hire the best person. When in you’re in a cut throat sales industry, not having the right person equates to suffering sales not unlike professional sports. I agree with the Rooney rule as it stands now and it’s intent was sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 9 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: My kids even older love the Princess Bride. I can recite about half the movie I’ve seen it with them so many times. Thanks for the laugh. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 The End of Sean McDermott 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Mods, can you merge these two threads. I’m sure it was an honest mistake by the OP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 If they really cared, they would provide scholarships for minority grad assistants to get guys on track to be head coaches. I always felt that more white guys are in coaching because they learn at an early age their future in football is off the field 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Mods, can you merge these two threads. I’m sure it was an honest mistake by the OP. Like seeing the Rooney Rule trending on twitter, and reading the article attached. And, coming back twice to be surprised that nobody is talking about the Rooney Rule, which is what I'm looking for in the subject line - and then finally deciding as much as I hate starting threads (I wonder why?), I want to see what everybody's thoughts are so I guess I'll have to start a thread myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, uticaclub said: If they really cared, they would provide scholarships for minority grad assistants to get guys on track to be head coaches. I always felt that more white guys are in coaching because they learn at an early age their future in football is off the field This too. The programs for the league need to run parallel with a ground-floor effort if we're ever really going to have any kind of equity in this space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, uticaclub said: If they really cared, they would provide scholarships for minority grad assistants to get guys on track to be head coaches. I always felt that more white guys are in coaching because they learn at an early age their future in football is off the field 11 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: This too. The programs for the league need to run parallel with a ground-floor effort if we're ever really going to have any kind of equity in this space. I'd actually be interested to know what the pool of coaches are. Having 70% of players being black actually might hurt when it comes to having a large pool of coaches.....................It seems most NFL coaches didn't play in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, bbb said: I'd actually be interested to know what the pool of coaches are. Having 70% of players being black actually might hurt when it comes to having a large pool of coaches.....................It seems most NFL coaches didn't play in the league. I bet this is part of the reason they started the player internship program a while ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 So will quotas apply to on the field ? I get the numbers are not consistent with 70% of players being black. But what is the pool of actual qualified potential coaches. Ozzie, Dungy, Rivera took advantage of the connections they had. I would argue they had a better chance of reaching those positions due to those connections. Rather than Tomlin or McDerm who took the hard road traveled. I think Wilkes got a really bad deal. Over time likely we will see increasing minority coaches for a variety of reasons on merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 15 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Mods, can you merge these two threads. I’m sure it was an honest mistake by the OP. The other one was unceremoniously trashed for poster content. We’ll try it again here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Until the NFL has an utterly unqualified Asian woman owning and running a football team, I am SO DONE with this league. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 8:37 PM, bbb said: To be voted on: If a team hires a minority head coach, that team, in the draft preceding the coach's second season, would move up six spots from where it is slotted to pick in the third round. A team would jump 10 spots under the same scenario for hiring a person of color as its primary football executive, a position more commonly known as general manager. If a team were to fill both positions with diverse candidates in the same year, that club could jump 16 spots -- six for the coach, 10 for the GM -- and potentially move from the top of the third round to the middle of the second round. Another incentive: a team's fourth-round pick would climb five spots in the draft preceding the coach's or GM's third year if he is still with the team. That is considered significant because Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph, two of the four African-American head coaches hired since 2017, were fired after one and two seasons, respectively. https://www.nfl.com/news/owners-to-vote-on-resolution-to-incentivize-minority-hc-gm-hires hell no draft spots are earned by records not some criteria based on racial quotas. Coaching needs to earned as well ,cant just get a job because your a minority. There are tons of minority coaches as coordinators and position coaches, they will get their chance when the time comes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) WTF kind of crap is that? Teams will simply find ways to abuse this. Even Anthony Lynn is against it saying that "Sometimes you can do the wrong thing while trying to do the right thing." Edited May 17, 2020 by matter2003 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Gugny said: Until the NFL has an utterly unqualified Asian woman owning and running a football team, I am SO DONE with this league. never gonna happen. WAIT!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Really interested in finding out who exactly dreamed this up. Promoting equality via bribery doesn’t seem like a very good PR move. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Affirmative action is a policy in which an individual's color, race, sex, religion or national origin are taken into account to increase opportunities provided to an underrepresented part of society.Oct 6, 2019 I'm ok with the Rooney rule , maybe some modification but change in draft position not in favor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Can anybody honestly argue there’s currently a better qualified minority coach or GM being slighted? I realize we have some loons coaching in NY, Houston & perhaps Detroit & Cleveland, but’s who is actually better that isn’t employed and is of minority persuasion? Who stands out as being unfairly overlooked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) On 5/15/2020 at 8:37 PM, bbb said: To be voted on: If a team hires a minority head coach, that team, in the draft preceding the coach's second season, would move up six spots from where it is slotted to pick in the third round. A team would jump 10 spots under the same scenario for hiring a person of color as its primary football executive, a position more commonly known as general manager. If a team were to fill both positions with diverse candidates in the same year, that club could jump 16 spots -- six for the coach, 10 for the GM -- and potentially move from the top of the third round to the middle of the second round. Another incentive: a team's fourth-round pick would climb five spots in the draft preceding the coach's or GM's third year if he is still with the team. That is considered significant because Steve Wilks and Vance Joseph, two of the four African-American head coaches hired since 2017, were fired after one and two seasons, respectively. https://www.nfl.com/news/owners-to-vote-on-resolution-to-incentivize-minority-hc-gm-hires And Mike Tomlin and Marvin Lewis had their Gigs forever with one still having his. What could possibly be the difference. Mike Tomlin-10-6 in season 1 Marvin Lewis-8-8 Vance Joseph-5-11, lets give him another year 6-10 Steve Wilks-3-10 Is it possible that maybe they laid out a plan and didn't deliver. There are definitely some coaches that I wish we fired after one season. I think owners and GMs are less shy about admitting they made a hiring mistake. The owners will definitely vote this down. Especially since Bill Belichick will begin identifying as an African American.? Edited May 17, 2020 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I think I want more white/hispanic players in the NFL ... If a GM drafts a white/hispanic player can they move up a few spots in the next years draft? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 There was a good discussion on this on Mad Dog. The advocacy can't wait until the HG/GM level. They need to increase the pool of minority candidates in the entry level ranks. Another challenge is the skewing of new hires to offensive coaches for which minority candidates are under represented. https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/nfl-coaching-changes-have-been-offensive-and-we-are-at-a-crossroads-01dxm4rf5jyh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) Adding the caveat that the candidates must be external, and opening the rule up to coordinator jobs as well, should eliminate the issue @GunnerBill outlined in the previous thread. I like this change. It makes sense and doesn't provide any kind of competitive advantage. Edited May 18, 2020 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Perry Fewell's agent should start charging interview fees. He will rake it in under the new Rooney Rule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Adding the caveat that the candidates must be external, and opening the rule up to coordinator jobs as well, should eliminate the issue @GunnerBill outlined in the previous thread. I like this change. It makes sense and doesn't provide any kind of competitive advantage. Could it be that the (somewhat ridiculous) resolutions being proposed regarding draft compensation for minority hires are simply being used as the "high ball" in negotiations, which makes instituting the new Rooney Rule changes in that tweet more easily acceptable? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Adding the caveat that the candidates must be external, and opening the rule up to coordinator jobs as well, should eliminate the issue @GunnerBill outlined in the previous thread. I like this change. It makes sense and doesn't provide any kind of competitive advantage. Agree. Sensible, proportionate step. I say let's give this at least 3 hiring cycles and then revisit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: Adding the caveat that the candidates must be external, and opening the rule up to coordinator jobs as well, should eliminate the issue @GunnerBill outlined in the previous thread. I like this change. It makes sense and doesn't provide any kind of competitive advantage. I’m good with the proposed changes here. I like the external candidate portion. I think that eliminates some box checking. The coordinator piece is a nice addition as well. This isn’t the silver bullet but I’d venture to say that more minorities will get jobs from this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Please do not use word "minorities" - it applies to blacks only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thronethinker Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) I say what if the team owner is a minority or a woman, they should get the 1st pick. Actually the next 3 first pics. Come on Kim, or is she not a minority since she is married to a white man? All of these rules of who is a minority or not gets confusing. What if you hire a black man from Africa? Hes not a minority there. Is he an African African, or an American African at that point? I dont get the lables. What if he moves back to Africa, is he now formerly an African African that was an American African? Can we just get past skin color and labels? Edited May 19, 2020 by thronethinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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