Where Does Eric Moulds Rank Among The Greatest Bills WR’s?

[John from Riverside]

He was such a good pick

[KD in CA]

Great player.  Shame he ended his career 5 yards short of 10,000.  Still, he's firmly in the HOVG.

[Paup 1995MVP]

40 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

No I watched both.  Both were great but Reed had a HOF QB for his career.

Hope I don't need to list Moulds QBs for you. 

 

Let me know if you have gotten so old that I need to because you have forgotten

 

Kelly was great.  But there were many other factors.  If Reed had played in today's era, he would have had ridiculous numbers catching the ball.  

 

Moulds had some real good years.  98 and 02 come to mind off the top of my head.  And you know who was throwing him the ball those seasons?  Flutie and Bledsoe.  Neither sucked at throwing the football.  Bledsoe was a statue and was already in decline.  But he put up some good numbers in 2002 his first year with the Bills.  

 

There is good very good and great.  Moulds was a good to very good and occasionally great receiver.  Andre was always great. 

 

I may have grown up pre internet.  But I remember football and the Bills since the mid 70's pretty dam well.   

[purple haze]

9 minutes ago, MJS said:

No complaints from me. But Evans does have the yardage and TD totals so the case can be made for him. But yeah, I don't really have a strong opinion about it. Outside of Moulds and Reed it's a pretty muddled list.

Butler had to retire prematurely from injury or I would think he'd have numbers too based on his talent level.  Also, different eras. Butler played when the run game was standard operating procedure in the NFL.   Lee was good though and suffered from inconsistent to horrible QB play.

 

 

 

 

[somnus00]

Close number 2 to Reed. One of my favorite Bills of all time and not just because he was a beast for me in NFL2k.

[Bferra13]

Moulds was a beast and clear number 2... If Lee Evans is 3 or 4, that says a lot about the Bills wr history. Kinda baren there.

[cwater10]

1 hour ago, purple haze said:

But I'm taking Jerry Butler over Lee Evans all day everyday,

Oh hell yes!  It isn't even a conversation.  And if Butler didn't blow out a knee before he even reached his prime, this thread may have well have been about Butler.  Without the injuries, he would have probably been a member of the Super Bowl teams as well.  Lofton was drafted by Green Bay a year BEFORE Butler.  I'll never forget his 10 catch, 4 TD 255 yard show against the Jets in 1980... as a rookie on a Chuck Knox (Ground Chuck) team.  If you can find it, You Tube it for some quarantine entertainment.  He was unstoppable, ran the smoothest routes and had the softest hands of all of them.

[billsbackto81]

I have 3 Jerseys in my closet. The greatest all time Bill (Bruce), Takeo and Eric.

 

He sits at 2 behind Andre but can only imagine what he could've been with a better team. Eric had amazing seasons when Peerless was on the other side. When Price went to ATL and floundered tells you all you need to know. With a competent #2 on the other side Moulds was unstoppable. With Josh Reed and other cast offs? Not so much.

[HOF4LOU]

Butler was amazing 

[bmur66]

If you were to pick one receiver from Bills history (in their prime) to play on this year’s team who would it be?

Edited May 15, 2020 by bmur66

[formerlyofCtown]

50 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Kelly was great.  But there were many other factors.  If Reed had played in today's era, he would have had ridiculous numbers catching the ball.  

 

Moulds had some real good years.  98 and 02 come to mind off the top of my head.  And you know who was throwing him the ball those seasons?  Flutie and Bledsoe.  Neither sucked at throwing the football.  Bledsoe was a statue and was already in decline.  But he put up some good numbers in 2002 his first year with the Bills.  

 

There is good very good and great.  Moulds was a good to very good and occasionally great receiver.  Andre was always great. 

 

I may have grown up pre internet.  But I remember football and the Bills since the mid 70's pretty dam well.   

You made my case for me in your reply.  The years he had decent QB play he put up great numbers and he certainly didn't have James Lofton and Prime Thurmon Thomas on the field with him either.  

I love my Bills but as another poster said.  He wasted his career in Buffalo.

Edited May 15, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[Dante]

1 hour ago, purple haze said:

I have Moulds #2 as well.  But I'm taking Jerry Butler over Lee Evans all day everyday, and I liked Lee.

I think I would slide Bobby Chandler after Moulds at #3

[scuba guy]

The tape of all those tds shows all of the really bad players and 1 hit wonders that we have drafted, and Eric played with.

 

 

[BillsPride12]

1.  Reed

2.  Moulds

 

Jerry Butler and those guys were before my time but I'm excited to see where Diggs can end up on this list when it's all said and done

[Buffalo_Gal]

48 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

If you were to pick one receiver from Bills history (in their prime) to play on this year’s team who would it be?

Andre Reed. He used to get the ***** kicked out of him over the middle, come down with the ball, and hold on. In today's NFL ... the mind reels.

Note: not to say I would not like Eric Moulds. He was sensational.

 

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

If you were to pick one receiver from Bills history (in their prime) to play on this year’s team who would it be?

Eric Moulds.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1) James Hardy

2) DaRick Rogers

3) TJ Grahm

4) Dez Lewis

5) Bills Elvis 

 

Wait, what? 

[RevWarRifleman]

Ahhhh Moulds! Great receiver. There's an awesome image I have of him from a pic several years ago somebody on the message board posted of him.

It was when he was in college. He was catching a ball in the end zone, and he jumped so high, his hips were at the height of the heads of the opposing

players that were around him. And those players were standing straight up!

 

Where he is with me in ranking the Bills receivers?  #3. Why? I put Dubenion at #2. Duby played in an era where a receiver could get mugged by the

D- backs during those AFL years and there would be no flag thrown. And that's no fault of Moulds. But I've got to plug our guys from the AFL days.

     "They must not be forgotten."

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

If Reed is #1 and Moulds is #2 then Lee Evans has to be #3 right? 

Evans is being overrated.  His production was mainly from JP Losman bombs.  He didn’t do much with short and intermediate passes.

 

I would have to put Bob Chandler as #3.  He was amazing.

[BuffaloBills1998]

7 hours ago, thronethinker said:

I think Moulds was better than Reed, but Reed had the better career. Moulds would have been #1 had he played more years with Kelly and the Offense Reed was in. 

No Moulds was not better than Reed lol. Moulds was a great WR but in no way was he better than Reed

[vincec]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

Moulds is 2nd behind Reed in yards and TD's. After those two you'd have to go with Evans and Dubenion.

Evans isn't even top 10, IMO.

4 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said:

My favorites (regardless of stats)

1) Reed

2) Moulds

3) Bobby Chandler

4) Frank Lewis

5) Jerry Butler

 

Lofton and Dubenion have to be in there somewhere.

Edited May 15, 2020 by vincec

[Rico]

3 hours ago, bmur66 said:

If you were to pick one receiver from Bills history (in their prime) to play on this year’s team who would it be?

In his prime and healthy? Jerry Butler (sorry Andre).

 

EDIT: Above Butler, I would take Lofton when he was on the Packers

Edited May 15, 2020 by Rico

[MJS]

53 minutes ago, vincec said:

Evans isn't even top 10, IMO.

Evans is third all time in receiving yards and TD's. Hard to keep him out of the top 10. His problem was playing on a crappy team with crappy QB's, but he produced good stats in spite of that. I think he deserves a little more credit.

3 hours ago, bmur66 said:

If you were to pick one receiver from Bills history (in their prime) to play on this year’s team who would it be?

It would be Eric Moulds for me.

 

Or, you know, Terrell Owens ... if we're talking in their prime ...

[MJS]

If you look at Approximate Value for receivers on Pro Football Reference, the top 5 looks like this:

 

1- Andre Reed (132)

2- Eric Moulds (85)

3- Lee Evans (55)

4- Bob Chandler (47)

5- Frank Lewis (45)

 

AV: An attempt to put a single number on each player since 1960 in order to approximately compare across years and across positions.

 

(I'm thinking longevity and total production plays into AV a lot, which is why a guy like Butler doesn't crack the top 5)

 

BTW, Thurman Thomas is 6th all time in receiving yards and 11th all time in TD's. He was a dang good receiving back.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2nd but if he had a better QB...could have probably been #1

[Charles Romes]

4 hours ago, KD in CA said:

Great player.  Shame he ended his career 5 yards short of 10,000.  Still, he's firmly in the HOVG.

I always thought they should have brought him back week 17 one of the lean years to get the 5 yards. 

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, ColeB said:

Evans is being overrated.  His production was mainly from JP Losman bombs.  He didn’t do much with short and intermediate passes.

 

I would have to put Bob Chandler as #3.  He was amazing.

Evans was a weird player for me. One game he’d look like one of the best WR’s in the NFL, and other games he’d completely vanish. Playing with subpar QB’s obviously factored in, but he was also somewhat of a one trick pony. He couldn’t make plays in traffic, or run short routes with any kind of consistency. He was one of the better Bills receivers of all time without question, but I always wished for another number one to compliment him when he was on our roster. 

[SirAndrew]

3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

1) James Hardy

2) DaRick Rogers

3) TJ Grahm

4) Dez Lewis

5) Bills Elvis 

 

Wait, what? 

You forgot Duke Williams. 

[thronethinker]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

No Moulds was not better than Reed lol. Moulds was a great WR but in no way was he better than Reed

ok, I appreciate your opinion. I agree that Reed was great, but I say replace Reed with Moulds in the SB Years, Moulds would be the better player. 

[K-9]

Reed

Moulds

Butler
Dubenion

Chandler 

Rashad

Bass

Lofton

Moses

 

Lee Evans and his pussified reluctance to run low crossers can kiss my A.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2020 by K-9

[I'm Spartacus]

Don't forget Marlin Briscoe!

[Bob in STL]

7 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said:

My favorites (regardless of stats)

1) Reed

2) Moulds

3) Bobby Chandler

4) Frank Lewis

5) Jerry Butler

 

I think Butler could have been #3, perhaps even higher, if he had a healthier and longer career.  
 

Go back to Mid - 60’s and Elbert “Golden Wheels” Dubenion was a very fine flanker.  Ahmad  Raschad in the 70’s.   

[njbuff]

On 5/15/2020 at 6:49 PM, Rico said:

In his prime and healthy? Jerry Butler (sorry Andre).

 

EDIT: Above Butler, I would take Lofton when he was on the Packers

 

Butler wasn't better than Reed. Not even close. Hence, Reed is a HOFer and Butler isn't even close.

[NewEra]

Lee Evans was the least memorable good player ever.  He went to Baltimore, where he caught a whopping 4 passes out of 26 targets in the regular season and lost the ravens their playoff game by dropping that pass in the end zone

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

Butler wasn't better than Reed. Not even close. Hence, Reed is a HOFer and Butler isn't even close.

That’s not really true.  Butler was a stud. His first 3 years were better than andre and then he suffered what was basically 2 career ending injuries.  Knee then ankle. Talent wise, I’d say Butler was right there if not better. Let’s not forget that andre had the benefit of an all time great supporting cast.

 

lets not forget that Butler was the 5th overall pick.  Pro bowl in his 2nd year

Edited May 17, 2020 by NewEra

[njbuff]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Lee Evans was the least memorable good player ever.  He went to Baltimore, where he caught a whopping 4 passes out of 26 targets in the regular season and lost the ravens their playoff game by dropping that pass in the end zone

That’s not really true.  Butler was a stud. His first 3 years were better than andre and then he suffered what was basically a career ending injury.  Talent wise, I’d say Butler was right there if not better. Let’s not forget that andre had the benefit of an all time great supporting cast.

 

lets not forget that Butler was the 5th overall pick.  Pro bowl in his rookie year.  

 

Reed showed right away what he was capable of in TC his rookie year in 1985. Not his fault that he had Vince Ferragamo and Bruce Mathison throwing to him as a rookie.

 

I ain't denying Butler's talent, but he isn't in Andre Reed's class, pure and simple.

 

Reed isn't a benefit of an all time great supporting cast, he is a part of it and without him, it wouldn't work.

 

If you want to compare early years, Butler had Frank Lewis on the other side and Reed had next to nothing opposite him till Lofton and Beebe came aboard in 1989.

[Needle]

Our all time WRs aren't as good as what many current teams have right now. Sad truth

[GregPersons]

Reed was amazing. But if Moulds was on those Kelly/Thurman teams, they'd have won one. 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Reed showed right away what he was capable of in TC his rookie year in 1985. Not his fault that he had Vince Ferragamo and Bruce Mathison throwing to him as a rookie.

 

I ain't denying Butler's talent, but he isn't in Andre Reed's class, pure and simple.

 

Reed isn't a benefit of an all time great supporting cast, he is a part of it and without him, it wouldn't work.

 

If you want to compare early years, Butler had Frank Lewis on the other side and Reed had next to nothing opposite him till Lofton and Beebe came aboard in 1989.

If I want to compare early years???  Butler only had early years.  Then he had one more after sitting out 1.5 years, playing opposite reed....and outplayed reed.  Then he shattered his ankle and reed had to deal with Chris Burkett playing opposite him

[billsfan89]

On 5/15/2020 at 9:00 AM, MJS said:

Moulds is 2nd behind Reed in yards and TD's. After those two you'd have to go with Evans and Dubenion.

 

I wouldn't rule out Stevie Johnson in that number 3 conversation either. Steve had back to back to back 1000 yard seasons something that had never been done before in Bills history (I think before Stevie the team never had back to back 1000 yard seasons.) Even in his last year in 2013 he was on his way to having a solid season with just under 600 yards with 4 games left to go before suffering that career altering injury. As great as Lee was in 2006 he only had one other 1,000 yard season in his career. 

 

I know a lot of the arguments about Lee constantly saw QB play deflated his numbers but Stevie didn't exactly have great QB play either in his career. So I think in that in the context of the modern game Stevie definitely deserves to be in that conversation with Evans.

[MassHog]

I will say Moulds is at #2 solely because that team had success. If Lee Evans or Stevie Johnson teams had the same success, I think I would put them ahead. I watched a video on youtube that was every Lee Evans touchdown, and damn was that guy great.