Where Does Eric Moulds Rank Among The Greatest Bills WR’s?

[Mikie2times]

As some have pointed out you have to make Andre one, but as far as talent, it's very close. Moulds is extremely underrated and one of my favorite Bills of all time to watch. Really no holes in his game.  

[MassHog]

1. Reed

2. Moulds

3. Evans

4. Johnson

5. I am not sure I was born in 1993

[Brennan Huff]

I mean if we’re talking best WR to ever put on a Bills uniform, no matter how long the tenure, then he’s #3 behind T.O.

[LABILLBACKER]

He'll always be #2 in my book. Not even debatable. 

[Nelius]

Yeah, clear #2 which seems to be the consensus. Was looking into some stats on this, and how about Peerless Price's random 2002 season? 94-1252-9, that's pretty crazy for a Buffalo Bills wide receiver. He's really nowhere near the discussion which I agree with, but that's got to be the best statistical season for a Bills WR outside of the clear top two.

 

There's also an interesting lack of Stevie Johnson in this conversation. I think we all know he was pretty limited, but if you start taking your list 5+ deep he's got be in the discussion. Three straight 1,000 yard seasons (barely, granted) with garbage QBs. We all loved him at his peak, before the drop.

Edited May 17, 2020 by Nelius

[Rico]

4 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

Butler wasn't better than Reed. Not even close. Hence, Reed is a HOFer and Butler isn't even close.

If he had been able to stay healthy and had Kelly throwing to him instead of Sad Sack Fergy, he could've been a HOF-er IMO... he was that damn good.

Edited May 17, 2020 by Rico

[QLBillsFan]

Reed 
Moulds- best talent just wrong timing 

Lewis

ED 
Lou Piccone ??‍♂️

 

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, MassHog said:

I will say Moulds is at #2 solely because that team had success. If Lee Evans or Stevie Johnson teams had the same success, I think I would put them ahead. I watched a video on youtube that was every Lee Evans touchdown, and damn was that guy great. 

 

Moulds had four 1000 yard seasons and another two 900+ yard seasons. He was 5 yards away from a 10k yards career. Moulds wasn't too far off from a HOF career (certainly not a HOF player but a couple of better seasons added to his resume and he is in that conversation.)

 

Compare that to Lee Evan's who had two 1000 yard seasons in his career and 6k yards total. Moulds didn't exactly play with great QB's either. I think Moulds by far stands as the number 2 best Bill's reciever all time and it's not even close. 

[Putin]

On 5/15/2020 at 9:33 AM, cage said:

I loved Moulds!  He was just outstanding.  I'll agree with #2.  I wish we had him during the Super Bowl years

I wish we had Molds for the Texans game we’d be giving the Chiefs a run for they’re money 

[oldmanfan]

1.  Reed

2.  Moulds

3.  Butler

4.  Lofton

5.  Rashad

6.  Duby

7.  Chandler

8.  Evans

9.  Lewis

10. Hill

 

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, MassHog said:

I will say Moulds is at #2 solely because that team had success. If Lee Evans or Stevie Johnson teams had the same success, I think I would put them ahead. I watched a video on youtube that was every Lee Evans touchdown, and damn was that guy great. 

Lee Evans was not great.  Not even close.  

[holla83]

On 5/15/2020 at 11:32 AM, 947 said:

There's no doubt Moulds is the most physically dominant WR we've ever had, but Reed obviously had a far superior career.

 

I still have an old white Champion Moulds jersey collecting dust in my closet, complete with an orange stain between the numbers from Anchor Bar wings.

Moulds was my favorite player from that era. I have a royal blue Puma and a navy blue Reebok of his

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Do you all remember that KO return TD Moulds has his rookie year? I think when most of us saw that, it was like, “whoa. We may have something with this guy!”

 

Also, re Moulds, for a while, the knock was that he only played well in even years. Check out his stats— it was uncanny, but he seemed to explode in even numbered years. 

[njbuff]

19 hours ago, Rico said:

If he had been able to stay healthy and had Kelly throwing to him instead of Sad Sack Fergy, he could've been a HOF-er IMO... he was that damn good.

Come on man, I respect your opinion, but saying Butler could have been a HOFer is mighty strong.

 

It's weird though, Butler's last catch was on a TD pass from Kelly against Miami and he broke his leg on the play.

[Helpmenow]

Andre, moulds, dubie, Chandler, evans

[Rico]

28 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Come on man, I respect your opinion, but saying Butler could have been a HOFer is mighty strong.

 

It's weird though, Butler's last catch was on a TD pass from Kelly against Miami and he broke his leg on the play.

I'm not slamming Andre, but I think a healthy Butler had considerably more talent than him. I don't think he had Andre's drive / football intangibles though.

[BaaadThingsMan]

Top 3. He took a while to reach his potential but once he did, he was excellent. 

[Reneth Gilne]

Moulds was my 2nd favorite WR for the bills . Speaking to pure talent he was more talented than any of them including reed.  Reed never went up for over-thrown deep balls , twirling around in mid air and plucking them down with ease like moulds did.  Reed did play better in traffic however but wasnt a true deep threat like moulds was.  Moulds was faster even though he was bigger.  Reed had a better career and was a great player for Kelly but was a notch below Moulds in talent.  In the end Moulds was just over weight and really looked like a small tight end out there in houston and tennesee.

 

While i cant speak for player pre 90's I can say Evans was a better deep threat than moulds because he was yet a bit faster, quite the leaper, and dropped maybe 1 deep ball in his whole career here, and that one wasnt a gimme.  He also could go up and twist and turn and come down with a toe in and make it all look easy ala Moulds.  Comparing stats is a little foolish because while Moulds didnt have Kelly for his career like Reed did, he did get fed the ball quite a bit by a hot handed Flutie, a Bledsoe a eep throwing Johnson and yes even a little Kelly.  Lee on the other hand was the real victim of bad QBing getting the nerf armed wrist throwing Edwards who loved faking the reads downfield, counting to 3 and dumping it off to the running backs. Lees deep talents were wasted after JP did his best to get it to him for a couple years.  Fitz wasnt really a deep ball guy but could have pumped his stats up more than edwards ever could have but the year fitz took over, TO arrived and ate up up over half of the deep attempts that season.  He and SJ were  a good tandem with Lee getting the deep looks again but then got hurt and while on his way back ready to rock and roll- he got traded! He lit up the defense in the first  playoff game for the ravens that year then was unfairly blamed for a drop on a big play that cost the Ravens the super bowl, the ball was swatted from his hands, a perfect defensive play, for reference on what drops really look like watch SJ on any play that mattered, now those were drops!

 

  I never knew why Lee didnt play a few more years but maybe he just had had enough (and made enough) to retire in class,  which is how he was on the field, classy.  Many of the wins we had in those 7-9 years would most assuredly have been losses had he dropped even 1 pass in those games.  People ripped him for only running deep routes but he was fantastic at them and actually took a few slants to the house too.  A one trick pony knock, wasnt that really Sammy's story?  a bunch of deep balls and nothing over the middle for fear of re injuring some of his many brittle bones, bones he treated with weed and alcohol?  But thats another thread isnt it?  Lee also caught alot of skinny posts where the defender was on top of him but hed make the play get some yac and keep a drive alive when nothing else back then was working.  He did this in the cleveland snow game that we lost on the goal line when trent threw the gutless screen on fourth down.  Lee had converted the 4rth down before that with a skinny post to get us down there.   Evans even "owned" Revis which everyone here used to harp on and on how this was SJ's thing.  Every single game a loss as Sj would rack up 10 yard type catches in front of Revis.  Big woop, meanwhile it was Evans who took a game winner deep ball to the house out leaping Revis one on one leaving him a crumpled mess on the turf as he sauntered into the end zone- alone. 7-9 was better than 6-10 or worse.  Evans was the only chance we had for some years.  To think we had him and Moulds on the same team his rookie year, then he and SJ for a started a stretch of games in his last year.  But the Bills never got their act together during his time .  They never paired him up with a good complementary WR like say Brown and Diggs look to be.   His rookie year was the best he ever had it, and that was never to be repeated.  Had Lee had a good QB and guy across from him for 6 or 7 years his numbers would be moulds-esque, maybe even Reed like.  

[dezertbill]

If Moulds played his career with Kelly as did Reed he would be a HOFer

[billsfan89]

22 minutes ago, dezertbill said:

If Moulds played his career with Kelly as did Reed he would be a HOFer

 

If prime Eric Moulds played from 1986 to 1997 I am very confident the Bills would have at least won one Super Bowl in that era. 

[Big Turk]

On 5/15/2020 at 10:26 AM, Phil The Thrill said:

I came across this on social media the other day.  Eric Moulds was quite possibly one of the more underrated WR’s of his time.  He put together several great years, and while he made 3 Pro-Bowls, I feel that he was never in the conversation as one of the best WR’s in the NFL during his prime.  
 

How about Bills history?  I know many will rightfully place Andre Reed on the top of the list of great Bills WRs.  It’s hard to argue given his longevity production and HOF status.  
 

But I think you might be able to make the argument that Moulds is a close second.  Maybe even the best WR in Bills history.  

You can argue that Moulds was more explosive than Reed ever was.   He probably was bigger, faster and more athletic too.  By the time he came into his own in his own, he was clearly better than Reed.  He also was hindered somewhat  by suspect QB play at times, and teams that underachieved.  

 

What always surprises me is the yards that Moulds racked up in year 3 - almost 1400 yards on 67 receptions.  It’s crazy to think he sustained a 20+ YPC through the season.  

I just think that Moulds was somewhat of an underrated both by the Bills fan base and the NFL. 
 

So where do you rank Moulds among the greatest WRs in franchise history?

 

 

 

 

Forgot just how explosive and fast Moulds was...he could both blow by you on a fly route or beat you on a  crossing pattern or beat you on a quick slant and take it to the house.  

He reminded me a lot of TO in that way...not too many receivers have the ability to beat you pretty much any where on the field in any way and take it to the house, but Moulds did...had great hands too.

 

If we had better QB's during his time here he could have put up much better numbers...maybe 13,000 yards.

 

With all respect to Dubenion and Butler, Moulds is 2nd only to Reed, and I would argue he might have even been better than Reed if he had Kelly throwing to him his entire career.

Edited May 18, 2020 by matter2003

[Nanker]

 

[billsfan_34]

Number 2 with a disclaimer. If Moulds had continuity at QB and played a few more seasons we might be talking about him being 1 - he was that good.

[machine gun kelly]

Moulds vs. Reed is like “what if Tyson fought Ali?”  They we’re both great.

[John Gianelli]

On 5/17/2020 at 8:55 AM, oldmanfan said:

1.  Reed

2.  Moulds

3.  Butler

4.  Lofton

5.  Rashad

6.  Duby

7.  Chandler

8.  Evans

9.  Lewis

10. Hill

 

Thanks for remembering J.D. Hill and Rashad. But don't you think Haven Moses was better than Evans?

[oldmanfan]

6 hours ago, John Gianelli said:

Thanks for remembering J.D. Hill and Rashad. But don't you think Haven Moses was better than Evans?

When he played for the Broncos.  Not when he played for us.  I might bump Evans off in favor of Stevie J though

[Scorp83]

On 5/15/2020 at 10:26 AM, Phil The Thrill said:

I came across this on social media the other day.  Eric Moulds was quite possibly one of the more underrated WR’s of his time.  He put together several great years, and while he made 3 Pro-Bowls, I feel that he was never in the conversation as one of the best WR’s in the NFL during his prime.  
 

How about Bills history?  I know many will rightfully place Andre Reed on the top of the list of great Bills WRs.  It’s hard to argue given his longevity production and HOF status.  
 

But I think you might be able to make the argument that Moulds is a close second.  Maybe even the best WR in Bills history.  

You can argue that Moulds was more explosive than Reed ever was.   He probably was bigger, faster and more athletic too.  By the time he came into his own in his own, he was clearly better than Reed.  He also was hindered somewhat  by suspect QB play at times, and teams that underachieved.  

 

What always surprises me is the yards that Moulds racked up in year 3 - almost 1400 yards on 67 receptions.  It’s crazy to think he sustained a 20+ YPC through the season.  

I just think that Moulds was somewhat of an underrated both by the Bills fan base and the NFL. 
 

So where do you rank Moulds among the greatest WRs in franchise history?

 

 

#2 for me! I love Moulds just as much as Andre Reed!

On 5/17/2020 at 8:55 AM, oldmanfan said:

1.  Reed

2.  Moulds

3.  Butler

4.  Lofton

5.  Rashad

6.  Duby

7.  Chandler

8.  Evans

9.  Lewis

10. Hill

 

I think Diggs might make top 3 after this season ???

[oldmanfan]

23 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

#2 for me! I love Moulds just as much as Andre Reed!

I think Diggs might make top 3 after this season ???

He’ll have to be huge to pass Butler on my list.  Butler may have topped the list if he hadn’t gotten hurt

[Alphadawg7]

I don't really see where there is even room to discuss this.  He is without a doubt #2...second only to Zay Jones. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

Reed, then Moulds. Who’s #3, Lee Evans?

[Freddie's Dead]

A lot of people seem to have forgotten about James Lofton.

[njbuff]

11 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

A lot of people seem to have forgotten about James Lofton.

 

His best days were as a Packer.

 

Lofton was an all time great in his prime at GB.

[Freddie's Dead]

4 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

His best days were as a Packer.

 

Lofton was an all time great in his prime at GB.

 

I still think Lofton > Moulds.

[njbuff]

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I still think Lofton > Moulds.

 

Overall yes, but Moulds was the better Bill.

 

Lofton was here 4 seasons from 89-92 and he wasn't even the best WR on the team during that time, so it's pretty difficult to say that Lofton was a better Bill than Moulds.