Rd 6, Pick 207 (from Ravens via NE): WR, Isaiah Hodgins, Oregon State

[delirious]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If Hodgins makes the active roster, I could see him play big slot in the red zone.   
 

We like to split Beasley outside to get him one on one in space.  Teams can’t really shade that way because Diggs will be on the other side.  John Brown really doesn’t need to be out there in this area of the field (IMO), then we can bring in Hodgins as a big slot.  
 

Thats a lot to defend, while worrying about Allen running the ball himself. 

 

I was thinking the same thing.  Love Beane's approach to this - getting different types of players to allow Daboll to exploit matchups.

Like what you proposed - pick your poison.

[MikeSpeed]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

  If my 14 year old daughter would have said something like that in front of my friends she would have been grounded , 

( ?‍♂️ I failed her as a father ) 

Oy vey I give up. Do you take thing out of context much?

[buffaloboyinATL]

19 hours ago, One Buffalo said:

You just can't make this stuff up...?

 

 

I got “tweet unavailable” when I clicked on it. 

[Putin]

2 hours ago, MikeSpeed said:

Oy vey I give up. Do you take thing out of context much?

Niet 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Hopefully he can be a Steve Johnson type WR for the Bills.

 

Double moves and exceptional route running with the hands.

 

Steve Johnson was by no means a burner, I think 4.54 in the 40-yard, but he could get open on Revis and Sherman. 
 

You could not cover that man on a slant. 
 

I like that the Bills focused on real college production. These are not tools kinds of picks with no production on the field. Even Fromm, quarterbacked a real SEC school to wins. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Do The Reich Thing]

Hodgins is an absolute steal in the 6th. It’s baffling he fell this far. Super comparable to Tee Higgins who was drafted round 2 pick 1, and Hodgins is a little better route runner. He will 100% make the roster. 

[wiseman3]

Hodgins kind of reminds me of Keenan Allen. Big, not entirely fast but great hands and wins 50/50s

[One Buffalo]

6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I got “tweet unavailable” when I clicked on it. 

 

Guess he deleted it- it was a tweet from 2013 (I think?) with a picture of a box of wings- and said some thing like they call me the chicken man.  He is probably deleting old tweets with all the new attention he is getting.  

[The Dean]

8 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

 

There's short striders (Hogkins) and long striders (Foster) and guys who look they're running in mud. Nelson reminded me of the latter.

 

Among the top-3 complaints last year was receivers who drops passes. Beane goes and gets Diggs, Davis, Hogkins.

 

Foster seems redundant to a roster with Diggs and Brown since Foster really only runs one route well and that's ol' #9, and those other guys can do it as well or better and do other stuff that a WR should be doing in this league. In two years Foster hasn't shown much growth at all as a route runner. He's a fast dude for gadgets but so's McKenzie and McKenzie can actually run routes.

 

 

Hodgins. At first I thought you might be giving him a disease. 

 

It's unfortunate this year rookies probably won't have much chance to EARN a place on the roster. it may come down to "stick with what you got for the sake of consistency" and "roll the dice on a new guy hoping he can get up to speed quickly and improve the WR squad.  Maybe they go with "one of each".

 

 

[Mat68]

I think he will be really good out of the slot.  Empy sets, he could easily be the other slot.  

[Ralonzo]

33 minutes ago, The Dean said:

Hodgins. At first I thought you might be giving him a disease. 

 

Ah right. I meant Hoskins.

 

 

Wise guy ?

[The Dean]

7 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Ah right. I meant Hoskins.

 

 

Wise guy ?

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

4 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

Hodgins is an absolute steal in the 6th. It’s baffling he fell this far. Super comparable to Tee Higgins who was drafted round 2 pick 1, and Hodgins is a little better route runner. He will 100% make the roster. 

 

This pick really has me intrigued.  I love his height and his hands; I really hope he can develop into something special.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

On 4/25/2020 at 5:02 PM, tomur67 said:

Good size!!!

David Nelson vibes!!

 

Tall but looks like hes 185, not 210 lol

[Bob in STL]

5 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

Hodgins is an absolute steal in the 6th. It’s baffling he fell this far. Super comparable to Tee Higgins who was drafted round 2 pick 1, and Hodgins is a little better route runner. He will 100% make the roster. 

I like him too.  He is a football player. 

[Turbo44]

5 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

Hodgins is an absolute steal in the 6th. It’s baffling he fell this far. Super comparable to Tee Higgins who was drafted round 2 pick 1, and Hodgins is a little better route runner. He will 100% make the roster. 

 I agree- I wanted him (or Gandy) when we were picking Gabe and was shocked and thrilled when we took him in the 6th. These gms seem to be influenced so much by combine numbers and stats and he had the best 20 sprint time and lowest drop % of all wrs in the draft. That combined with great stats and a 6’4” frame makes it baffling to me that he lasted late into the 6th. I know his 4.6 40 is blah but he obviously is quick off the line and had size and ridiculous hands. Our win hopefully 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Turbo44

[YoloinOhio]

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

On 4/25/2020 at 7:29 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Some of these catches are stupid. How was he still around in the 6th? I never even saw people talking about him before the draft. Allen is going to love throwing him the ball.

WGR mentioned him a few times.  That was the only reason I knew who he was. The kids hands are amazing.

[Trogdor]

12 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

 I agree- I wanted him (or Gandy) when we were picking Gabe and was shocked and thrilled when we took him in the 6th. These gms seem to be influenced so much by combine numbers and stats and he had the best 20 sprint time and lowest drop % of all wrs in the draft. That combined with great stats and a 6’4” frame makes it baffling to me that he lasted late into the 6th. I know his 4.6 40 is blah but he obviously is quick off the line and had size and ridiculous hands. Our win hopefully 

There was a scout talking about how so many WR prospects had 2nd and 3rd round grades that a bunch would fall. Can't draft all of them, just a super deep year. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Sounds good to me! 4 years at a dirt cheap contract too - with so many WRs coming out this year too he may even stick on a practice squad since so many WR needy teams drafted multiple WRs. 

[stuvian]

looks like a great value pick with good height

Edited April 27, 2020 by stuvian

[billsfan89]

I love how much competition there is on this team. The top 3 WR's are quality players, Diggs is a good WR 1, Brown a quality WR 2 and Beasley is a very good slot receiver, and Roberts occupies the 6th WR spot due to his value on special teams. There then exists Davis who will likely occupy the WR 4 spot but then the WR5 spot has a ton of competition. Mackenzie (a good gadget WR), Foster (a previously productive player), Hodgins (a high upside raw prospect) and Duke Williams who showed flashes last season will all be competing for the WR5 spot. 

 

That's 4 WR's all of whom have positives (many of whom could make a roster as a WR4 or WR5) competing for a marginal roster spot. I likely see it going to Mac as a gadget WR and then Hodgins snuck onto the PS but I wouldn't count out Duke and Foster to win a competition. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by billsfan89

[DCOrange]

 

[PaBills]

I don't think we need Mac with Diggs and the drafted receivers. I must be missing something about him but for the few uses he gets and not that great of productivity. Hodgins seems to be the better choice. Diggs can do the gadget plays.

[BuffaloHokie13]

19 minutes ago, PaBills said:

I don't think we need Mac with Diggs and the drafted receivers. I must be missing something about him but for the few uses he gets and not that great of productivity. Hodgins seems to be the better choice. Diggs can do the gadget plays.

Used this same logic in my 53 prediction in the other thread.

[JerseyBills]

This WR room suddenly looks really nice and versatile. 

And Diggs,Brown,Beez are all business  and are great mentors for the young guys

[JerseyBills]

20 hours ago, Mat68 said:

I think he will be really good out of the slot.  Empy sets, he could easily be the other slot.  

Geez , if he can develop a bit , that's a matchup nightmare.  Especially with Diggs or Smoke next to you.  

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, PaBills said:

I don't think we need Mac with Diggs and the drafted receivers. I must be missing something about him but for the few uses he gets and not that great of productivity. Hodgins seems to be the better choice. Diggs can do the gadget plays.

Agreed, but I’d say more Brown.  
 

Diggs should be getting a lot of targets in the passing game, so we’ll be looking at way to get Smoke the ball.  With Brown’s speed, why not use him on those jet sweeps?  

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

etc

 

That QB is certainly not afraid to throw to covered receivers, or directly to defenders. Luton?

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Geez , if he can develop a bit , that's a matchup nightmare.  Especially with Diggs or Smoke next to you.  

Who else would be in slot in that scenerio?  Mckenzie? Foster?  Davis? Inbetween the 20s I think he has the route running and frame to be a big slot.  Maybe he sucks.  There is a reason why he lasted.  I think outside the numbers down the feild he doesnt have the speed.  Inside vs zone, nicklebacks or linebakers he could be successful pretty quickly imo.  I dont see much development past that.  Not great but a diminesion the team hasnt had.

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

 

That QB is certainly not afraid to throw to covered receivers, or directly to defenders. Luton?

Yeah he was supposed to be one of the late risers in the draft process. Ended up getting taken in the 6th by Jacksonville. 

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

Who else would be in slot in that scenerio?  Mckenzie? Foster?  Davis? Inbetween the 20s I think he has the route running and frame to be a big slot.  Maybe he sucks.  There is a reason why he lasted.  I think outside the numbers down the feild he doesnt have the speed.  Inside vs zone, nicklebacks or linebakers he could be successful pretty quickly imo.  I dont see much development past that.  Not great but a diminesion the team hasnt had.

I mean , ya never know on development. Some guys , it just clicks , but ya he seems like he'll be inactive year 1  . Maybe be active for defenses they feel they can exploit that matchup on. 

 

But I think his ceiling is pretty high

[Happy Days Lois & Clark]

Great receivers with slow 40 times

 

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/

Larry Fitzgerald - 4.63 seconds

Career stats: 1,018 receptions, 13,366 receiving yards, 98 TDs

Fitzgerald ran a 4.63 at the 2004 NFL Combine and, though he bettered the number to 4.48 at his pro day, there were questions about the elite speed of the receiver coming out of Pittsburgh.

The Cardinals took him with the third overall selection anyways and have never come close to regretting the pick, as Fitzgerald will be a surefire Hall of Famer when he retires.

Jerry Rice - 4.71 seconds

 

Career Stats: 1,549 receptions, 22,895 receiving yards, 197 TDs

The greatest of all time ran an unofficial 4.71, though some claim the number was actually 4.59. Either way, the GOAT did not wow anyone with his speed coming out of Mississippi Valley State in 1985. 

Rice's lack of freakish size/speed and small-school status contributed to Al Toon and Eddie Brown being thought of as better prospects. Each were selected before the Hall of Famer came off the board at 16th overall.

Cris Carter - 4.63

 

Career Stats: 1,101 receptions, 13,899 receiving yards, 130 TDs

In 1987 Carter ran just slightly faster than the average receiver at the time, according to former Cowboys personnel man Gil Brandt. That's both a comment on how much faster wideouts have become (40-yard dash times for receivers rose to 4.48 seconds as of 2013) and how little long speed had to do with Carter's success in the NFL.

The ultra productive possession receiver used a combination of excellent hands and route running to become the game's best third-down target and touchdown specialist.

Anquan Boldin - 4.71

 

Career Stats: 1,009 receptions, 12,195 receiving yards, 74 TDs

Boldin has long been the poster boy for exceptional receivers running slow on the track. The highly productive Florida State alum dropped to the second round because of his speed concerns, allowing the Arizona Cardinals to pair Boldin with Fitzgerald for six dominant seasons.

Interestingly though, the only receivers to run official times of 4.65 or slower and have NFL success since 1999 are Boldin and Tampa Bay Buccaneers one-year-wonder Michael Clayton.

Chad Johnson - 4.57

 

Career Stats: 766 receptions, 11,059 receiving yards, 67 TDs

Another stellar wideout who fell out of the first round because of a slow workout.

The Bengals knew Johnson was much faster than the close to 4.6 he posted at the 40 due to his tape and displays of quickness at the 2001 Senior Bowl.

One of the game's elite pass catchers between 2002-07, Johnson developed his route-running and timing with quarterback Carson Palmer to put together one of the best five-year stretches in league history.

Honorable Mentions

• Brandon Lloyd - 4.62
• Hines Ward - 4.55
• Brandon Marshall - 4.52
• Dez Bryant - 4.52
• Antonio Brown - 4.47

[Stank_Nasty]

19 minutes ago, Happy Days Lois & Clark said:

Honorable Mentions

• Brandon Lloyd - 4.62
• Hines Ward - 4.55
• Brandon Marshall - 4.52
• Dez Bryant - 4.52
• Antonio Brown - 4.47

I’m actually really surprised ward ran in the 4.5’s. That’s quicker than I would have thought. Haha 

[CapeBreton]

I’m not too worried about his 40 time, 4.60 is decent for a bigger guy. Michael Thomas had a 4.57 so you don’t need to be a burner to be successful. Cooper Kupp has a 4.62. 
 

Also want to point out that Zay Jones had a 4.45, doesn’t mean anything if you can’t catch the football. 

[Turk71]

Hodgins was targeted 13 times in the red zone last year. He caught 12 of them for 9 touchdowns. Here is how that compared.

Also, Hodgins passer rating when red zone targeted was 141.2, 2nd in the nation behind only Tee Higgins at 148.4. I tried including that table and the #of targets table but my phone is ***** up.☺

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2020/03/27/who-were-the-top-red-zone-receivers-among-nfl-prospects/amp/

Receiver	Completion %
Isaiah Hodgins	92%
K.J. Hill	92%
Tee Higgins	88%
Henry Ruggs III	86%
Justin Jefferson	85%
Lawrence Cager	83%
Receiver Touchdown Percentage (TDs) Tee Higgins 75% (6) Isaiah Hodgins 69% (9) Justin Jefferson 60% (12) K.J. Hill 58% (7) Lawrence Cager 50% (3) Donovan Peoples-Jones 50% (5)

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]