BigBillsFan Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Big Curt said: The Bills have just gave up a boatload of draft picks for a WR. I admit he is an upgrade for what we currently have, however when a GM named Doug Whaley traded picks for Sammy Watkins, he never lived down that decision. Do you remember why Whaley made the trade? it was to bolster and support a young QB named EJ Manual. This trade was done for the current young QB Josh Allen. I hope this works out, if not, it will be a disaster. If it doesn't work, will the fans criticize Beane like they did Whaley? Let me make this easy for you... DRAFT PICK = RISK TOP 10 WR = UPGRADE Or this could help... DRAFT PICK WR = small contribution 2020, maybe 2021 TOP 10 WR = immediate high level contribution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Yes. YOU are the only one who thinks this. Congratulations! I think... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Big difference is that Diggs is already an established player, he cost 1 first rounder rather than 2, and we were likely to go WR in the first round and we hope whoever we may have taken in the first round is as good as Diggs one day. Thats false we tradedup to 4 and gave up 9 and the 1st the next year. So 4 and 9 cancel out this the Net is the pick traded which was I think 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I think Diggs will be good for us. The only thing I don't like about the trade is giving up the 1st round pick. I would be ecstatic if it was a 2nd instead of the first. So I think getting Diggs is good, but I wish we would have given up a little less. (Like we all do)... especially after the Houston trade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Big Curt said: The Bills have just gave up a boatload of draft picks for a WR. I admit he is an upgrade for what we currently have, however when a GM named Doug Whaley traded picks for Sammy Watkins, he never lived down that decision. Do you remember why Whaley made the trade? it was to bolster and support a young QB named EJ Manual. This trade was done for the current young QB Josh Allen. I hope this works out, if not, it will be a disaster. If it doesn't work, will the fans criticize Beane like they did Whaley? It is not remotely the same. Whaley was sitting pretty in that draft to get a blue chip WR prospect. He gave up the 9th overall pick and the following year’s first and fourth round picks for Watkins. There are a ton of differences there. Some differences are that Whaley: - gave up a lot more draft capital than Beane did for Diggs - gave up a future 1st when the QB position was a need - acquired a blue chip WR prospect rather than a proven top 10 (or top 15 at worst) NFL WR Admittedly Diggs is being paid more than Watkins was, but that certainly seems minor in comparison. Especially when you consider that any rookie WR the Bills could reasonably acquire this season would not be able to hit the ground running like Diggs will be. They’re are never likely to be as good as him, but they will take time to develop regardless. That’s hugely important this season. Every game will matter if we want the division title. Also there’s the matter of determining if Allen is our guy moving forward or not. There won’t be questions about whether it’s the supporting cast that’s the problem. He’ll step up and we are off. Or he won’t and we will be an attractive team if a FA QB should happen to come available or we will have all of our picks (except our fourth) to package to find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I remember my first beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, djp14150 said: Thats false we tradedup to 4 and gave up 9 and the 1st the next year. So 4 and 9 cancel out this the Net is the pick traded which was I think 20. Really? So we traded future first rounder to move up to the 4th overall pick of the draft to select Sammy, right? How many picks is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Virgil said: I remember my first beer I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1) I will never fault a team for getting weapons for a young QB or going “all in”. 2) I will never fault a team for sitting out day1-2 in free agency. I like what the Bills are doing because they are have a roster where they are only a few players away from being good. I like what the Jets are doing because they are a lot of players away from being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: 1) I will never fault a team for getting weapons for a young QB or going “all in”. 2) I will never fault a team for sitting out day1-2 in free agency. I like what the Bills are doing because they are have a roster where they are only a few players away from being good. I like what the Jets are doing because they are a lot of players away from being good. LOL 10-6 and rested starters, Bills are already good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Hmmm. Almost 4 pages of good, informative replies to the OP and no response from him/her whatsoever yet. Honestly this smells like a drive-by “stir the pot” post to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Big Curt said: The Bills have just gave up a boatload of draft picks for a WR. I admit he is an upgrade for what we currently have, however when a GM named Doug Whaley traded picks for Sammy Watkins, he never lived down that decision. Do you remember why Whaley made the trade? it was to bolster and support a young QB named EJ Manual. This trade was done for the current young QB Josh Allen. I hope this works out, if not, it will be a disaster. If it doesn't work, will the fans criticize Beane like they did Whaley? Well.. He didn't give up next years 1st in addition to this years. So to start, the compensation is significantly lower. He's on an affordable contract for 4 years and is a proven commodity. 17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Really? So we traded future first rounder to move up to the 4th overall pick of the draft to select Sammy, right? How many picks is that? 2? Is this a trick question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Well.. He didn't give up next years 1st in addition to this years. So to start, the compensation is significantly lower. He's on an affordable contract for 4 years and is a proven commodity. 2? Is this a trick question? It shouldn't be but there are still some deplorables among us who are going to argue that it took 3 or more first rounders to select Sammy. Maybe this guy will be original and argue only 1 pick was used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, Jauronimo said: It shouldn't be but there are still some deplorables among us who are going to argue that it took 3 or more first rounders to select Sammy. Maybe this guy will be original and argue only 1 pick was used. Hey - it looks better when you see what the browns did with the picks they got. Sammy Watkins for Justin Gilbert, Cameron Erving, and Ibraheim Campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Curt Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 My overall stance is that we have given up a lot for a WR. This means that we are just one WR away from being really good. I still think we are a QB away. I respect Josh Allen. I'm not sold on him and given him expensive toys may not make him better. He has a long way to go. Another question...Is Stefon Diggs really that good? Is he worth the Haul? Adam Thielen was the best receiver on that team. Why pay such a steep price for a player who the Vikings were getting rid of anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, Big Curt said: My overall stance is that we have given up a lot for a WR. This means that we are just one WR away from being really good. I still think we are a QB away. I respect Josh Allen. I'm not sold on him and given him expensive toys may not make him better. He has a long way to go. Another question...Is Stefon Diggs really that good? Is he worth the Haul? Adam Thielen was the best receiver on that team. Why pay such a steep price for a player who the Vikings were getting rid of anyway? I don't like you. @Hapless Bills Fan permission to treat the OP as hostile? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 This isn't a risk in any sense of the word. Top-10 WR for what amounts to the 20th or 21st overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 What does it take to get some people excited with this team ever? A few too many armchair gms who Love the draft pick game a bit way to much. We had a need and we solved it. Diggs over Any of the Wr we would have had a shot at in this year draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Let it happen...$10M a year for a 26-year old top 10 WR that cost us our 1st RD draft pick...THE END! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_believer Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 When you trade off next year's draft pick, you trade it at a discount. I would not have felt as badly about the Watkins trade, if it had been the first and second of that same year. A future draft pick gets discounted about one round. Some rumors said Cleveland wanted the Bills 1st and 2nd round of that year and the Bills said no. With the 2nd round pick that year the Bills drafted Cyrus Kouandjio. If trading for Diggs doesn't work out, it will not mean that Beane is regarded in the same way as Whaley because Beane and McDermott got the Bills to the playoffs. There is no comparison between Beane and Whaley. Looking at the players they have drafted also means there is no comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, DFT said: Yes you are. Next question... ...WHOA!!!....hear him out............. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 56 minutes ago, Virgil said: I remember my first beer Like, today? Me too, vaguely. This work from home thing is rough... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, Big Curt said: My overall stance is that we have given up a lot for a WR. This means that we are just one WR away from being really good. I still think we are a QB away. I respect Josh Allen. I'm not sold on him and given him expensive toys may not make him better. He has a long way to go. Another question...Is Stefon Diggs really that good? Is he worth the Haul? Adam Thielen was the best receiver on that team. Why pay such a steep price for a player who the Vikings were getting rid of anyway? which 5th rounder are you gonna miss the most ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Yes. /thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Every trade ever made was a risk...lol Geeeez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 hours ago, mathja said: 2 firsts used to get Watkins. Only 1 to get Diggs. Traded for Watkins without a franchise QB in place. Traded for Diggs with a franchise QB in place (along with many other pieces to the puzzle). so, gave up less & timing much better. oh, 2 more things... Diggs is better Diggs is proven The idea that you are already anointing Josh Allen as a franchise QB is absurd. Franchise QB's are those like Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Rivers, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Brees, Watson, Ryan, Rodgers, etc. Throwing for 3,000 yards, 20 TD's, 9 INT's, and under 60 completion % is NOT a franchise QB yet. That's closer to Tyrod Taylor than it is Drew Brees. That was against the weakest schedule in the league too, so let's not pretend he's already there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 As risky as Watson... no Risky... yes I think that Allen’s touch and accuracy issues drive a need for a strong receiver with a BIG catch radius. Maybe a tight end or someone in the draft will fill this need. In the meantime, given that Brown and Beasley did pretty well, I’m confident that Diggs will do very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Watkins cost 2 first round picks and one was the #4 overall. Diggs is the #22 pick and a few late rounders. That #22 pick only gives you a CHANCE to get a player as good as Diggs. Why do people lose sight of that. First round WR’s are a crap shoot. Diggs and Tyreek Hill were 5th rounders. We paid for someone else to find the diamond in the rough for us. 8 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: As risky as Watson... no Risky... yes I think that Allen’s touch and accuracy issues drive a need for a strong receiver with a BIG catch radius. Maybe a tight end or someone in the draft will fill this need. In the meantime, given that Brown and Beasley did pretty well, I’m confident that Diggs will do very well. And they will only do better with another serious threat on the field! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 First I understand where you are coming from given Diggs history of drama. But really we traded enough draft capital to move from 22 to 18. It’s really not that crazy. And really if Diggs misbehaves, we should still have enough talent to see if Josh is the long term solution even if we have to part ways with Diggs in 2 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathja Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, BigDingus said: The idea that you are already anointing Josh Allen as a franchise QB is absurd. Franchise QB's are those like Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Rivers, Wilson, Roethlisberger, Brees, Watson, Ryan, Rodgers, etc. Throwing for 3,000 yards, 20 TD's, 9 INT's, and under 60 completion % is NOT a franchise QB yet. That's closer to Tyrod Taylor than it is Drew Brees. That was against the weakest schedule in the league too, so let's not pretend he's already there. All fair points. But sometimes you need to put the right people around a QB to help them take that next step. As a GM you should operate with conviction and stand by your decisions. I believe that Beane and McDermott and everyone on the roster is confident that Josh is the guy. When that’s the case (and when the QB is on their rookie deal and you have the most cap flexibility you might ever have), you kind of have to take your shot... The other option is to do the bare minimum—draft whatever player comes to you and hope for the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Didn't read the other responses, but I imagine the answer to the query has been a universal "yes." Extremely unlikely that we'd get a WR in the 1st as good as Diggs. And who cares about the later round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Diggs is a certified WR1 Minus this year, Thielen was their number 1. Diggs is really good though. Put another tall receiver on this team and it’s a very good core. The excuses for Allen will be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Minus this year, Thielen was their number 1. Diggs is really good though. Put another tall receiver on this team and it’s a very good core. The excuses for Allen will be done. Who benefits more from whose presence: Thielen or Diggs? I guess we'll find out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Relax Big Curt there is no comparison to the Whaley/ Watkins deal Technically its this years 1st( no guarantee could be Zay V2) and a 4th next year. The other 2 a 5th and 6th were already replaced with trades last fall. Plus he got a 7th back to replace the one he traded away. He didn't mortgage the future and acquired a Star WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Who benefits more from whose presence: Thielen or Diggs? I guess we'll find out this year. Very true. They benefited each other. I see the same for Diggs and Brown this year. But on paper, it is a downgrade in passers so how happy Diggs is this year will be a true test of the process. I wonder if they feel pressure to pay him. We would kinda have to right considering what we just gave up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Very true. They benefited each other. I see the same for Diggs and Brown this year. But on paper, it is a downgrade in passers so how happy Diggs is this year will be a true test of the process. I wonder if they feel pressure to pay him. We would kinda have to right considering what we just gave up? No idea if they feel pressure to pay him. But the new CBA makes holding-out a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, hjnick said: I think Diggs will be good for us. The only thing I don't like about the trade is giving up the 1st round pick. I would be ecstatic if it was a 2nd instead of the first. So I think getting Diggs is good, but I wish we would have given up a little less. (Like we all do)... especially after the Houston trade... Unfortunately BOB cannot make the deals for the Vikes;) It might of only cost a 3rd if he could Besides Hopkins is 28 Diggs is 26 and has 4 years on his deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Since I don't think Big Curt has returned to this thread, I'll assume this was just a troll post. Maybe I'm wrong. But how you can equate the two moves is beyond me. Watkins (and all rookie players) are a crap shoot. You have to wonder: Will they adapt to the NFL game? (Diggs has proven he can---did) Will money make them lazy and ineffective? (Diggs is very effective, even after the new contract) Can he adjust to a new QB? (Diggs has been effective with as many as four different starting QBs) Plus he only cost ONE 1st round pick, not TWO., So what was your question again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Watkins trade was 2 1s. Is this 2 1s? No? Then it's not the same at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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