Da webster guy Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Nah, it's pretty much set LT - Dawkins/Nsekhe LG - Spain/Long C - Morse/Spain/Long RG - Feliciano/Ford RT - Ford/Nsekhe Maybe grab another Tackle, and a Guard to compete, but we can roll with that. Yup, you know they planned this signing and also will be grabbing a tackle prospect late. Aside from Ty and Morse's early concush, we had pretty good durabiliy upfront. Hard to believe we have a FULL returning Oline with the same starting QB, RB, TE and 2 WR's plus HC, OC, qb coach and receivers coach. Hasn't happened in decades. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, TPS said: Are you kidding, that is a great deal for the Bills, especially for a guy who didn't give up a sack (or close to it) Hey I agree it's a great value. I'm just saying is this the offensive line that's going to take us to a championship? It's a legit question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: Excellent news ! My hot take is that we will trade Ford and draft a RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Nah, it's pretty much set LT - Dawkins/Nsekhe LG - Spain/Long C - Morse/Spain/Long RG - Feliciano/Ford RT - Ford/Nsekhe Maybe grab another Tackle, and a Guard to compete, but we can roll with that. Very underrated group . Maybe not an elite unit , but a very good one with quality depth.. love this deal if true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Excellent news ! My hot take is that we will trade Ford and draft a RT. I too wonder if Ford is a player the Bills would consider trading. It seems unlikely, but the G spots are crowded on this roster and if the Bills don't think he's capable of playing RT well, maybe they do move on while he still has value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Excellent news ! My hot take is that we will trade Ford and draft a RT. I'd agree if I Never saw the behind the scenes draft video and how much Beane loved Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Very underrated group . Maybe not an elite unit , but a very good one with quality depth.. love this deal if true The Spain deal is good and protects the down side but we definitely need to upgrade the OL, especially the right side. We should not be going into next season with the same group, expecting that "gelling" will make the unit better as a whole. Plus we have injury concerns with Morse and Nsekhe. I hope we add at least one starter on the right side and take a Center in rounds 3-5 to groom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Good signing. Another sign of the apocalypse tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I’m on the fence for this one. He’s an above average player, I’m no pff analyst or huge film watcher but he seemed to have some issues in pass protection but seemed to excel in the run game. I considered him and Ford our weak links in pass pro. As much of a beating as Ford took for getting beat I always wondered why Spain didn’t catch some of the same. But I could of course be wrong I didn’t replay enough stuff to verify Opposite. He graded out better in pass protection and didn’t let up a sack all year. One of 9 guards in the league to accomplish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, White Linen said: These guys know what they're doing. certainly does : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Having five returning starters on the offensive line is unprecedented around these parts. I honestly can’t remember the last time that happened in Buffalo. For that reason alone, this is a great signing. Spain had his ups and downs, but when he was up he was really good. Plus having primary backups in Long, Nsehke, Bates back? Seriously never happens. On Ford, people need to understand how incredibly hard it is to play the offensive line. It takes time. What Ford was asked to do in this offense was so far advanced from what he had to do as a Sooner. Ford is raw with a lot of upside and will take time. Very similar to Dion Dawkins, last year’s “guy who needs to move to guard but now we all want to extend.” Give it time and Ford will be very good. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Estro said: I too wonder if Ford is a player the Bills would consider trading. It seems unlikely, but the G spots are crowded on this roster and if the Bills don't think he's capable of playing RT well, maybe they do move on while he still has value. Doubt it, Beane was just on interview saying nothing he saw in Ford this year tells him he can’t play tackle in this league. Versatility and positional flexibility makes Ford more valuable than maybe how we see him. I would be honestly shocked to see the front office move on from a 2nd round pick that had some moments. Not everyone’s an all pro as a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: from my younger days......... "WKBW - Instant Replay"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Good signing. Another sign of the apocalypse tho. you mean the coming of the Seven Horsemen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Glad to have him back. $5M/yr isn't guaranteed starter money, and I'd like to think the Bills aren't done addressing the O-line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Ok. Spain is a nice player, but this line needs a straight line blocker or TWO. LG would be the perfect spot to upgrade with Morse playing center. There's a reason the run game was trash and the main culprit is the fact that the OL is largely comprised of big body guys solid in pass pro, but porous in generating push. Feliciano is a nice player, but mauler? Not really. I'd like this signing a whole lot more if the other two interior OL spots were manned by guys strong at the point of attack. As is, I just don't see an OL conducive for a solid running game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 how did this become a Cody Ford thread. kinda weak . Q Spain ? We are Glad to keep ya ! Thanks for resigning as a Bill. Hard work paid off for sure. : ) Go Bills Just now, LSHMEAB said: Ok. Spain is a nice player, but this line needs a straight line blocker or TWO. LG would be the perfect spot to upgrade with Morse playing center. There's a reason the run game was trash and the main culprit is the fact that the OL is largely comprised of big body guys solid in pass pro, but porous in generating push. Feliciano is a nice player, but mauler? Not really. I'd like this signing a whole lot more if the other two interior OL spots were manned by guys strong at the point of attack. As is, I just don't see an OL conducive for a solid running game. feliciano is not a mauler ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Ok. Spain is a nice player, but this line needs a straight line blocker or TWO. LG would be the perfect spot to upgrade with Morse playing center. There's a reason the run game was trash and the main culprit is the fact that the OL is largely comprised of big body guys solid in pass pro, but porous in generating push. Feliciano is a nice player, but mauler? Not really. I'd like this signing a whole lot more if the other two interior OL spots were manned by guys strong at the point of attack. As is, I just don't see an OL conducive for a solid running game. Which is why I'd love to trade for Gabe Jackson for RG. At least one of the guards would be great player at getting serious push in the run game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: feliciano is not a mauler ? He's a gritty guy and I love his energy. But no. His run blocking abilities don't match the image. I'm just trying to figure out how and where they plan to improve the PUSH generated by the OL. People are rightfully interested in pass pro tackles. It's a big deal. But what appears to be a relatively silent issue with this unit is they don't collectively generate much push. Morse is here for 2020. Now Spain is here for 2020. These are two solid football players who aren't particularly adept at straight line blocking. I was really hoping they'd add a different type of player at LG considering the other pieces. But that's just me. 33 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Which is why I'd love to trade for Gabe Jackson for RG. At least one of the guards would be great player at getting serious push in the run game. I like it. Edited March 13, 2020 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Good news! I like having all 5 starters back -- more cohesiveness as a team! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Nah, it's pretty much set LT - Dawkins/Nsekhe LG - Spain/Long C - Morse/Spain/Long RG - Feliciano/Ford RT - Ford/Nsekhe Maybe grab another Tackle, and a Guard to compete, but we can roll with that. You know? That looks eerily similar to what we rolled with last year. Wait a minute! It's exactly what we had last year! Anybody that's happy running the same group out there again needs to wake up. That unit came up short way too many games last year, including the loss to Houston where they were just pathetic. We're they better than the year before? Sure, but that's like being the best looking patient in the Burn Unit. We need an upgrade at RT. I can live with Dawkins at LT but he's not exactly Franchise caliber. We're not making a serious run with the same " wash, rinse and repeat" O-line. Just my opinion..... Edited March 13, 2020 by billsbackto81 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: You know? That looks eerily similar to what we rolled with last year. Wait a minute! It's exactly what we had last year! Anybody that's happy running the same group out there again needs to wake up. That unit came up short way too many games last year, including the loss to Houston where they were just pathetic. We're they better than the year before? Sure, but that's like being the best looking patient in the Burn Unit. We need an upgrade at RT. I can live with Dawkins but he's not exactly Franchise caliber. We're not making a serious run with the same " wash, rinse and repeat" O-line. Just my opinion..... You mean the same one where DS averaged over 5 yards a carry The same one where we went 10-6? The offensive line really was not our problem last year like it was the year before.....it was lack of offensive weapons (IMO) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You mean the same one where DS averaged over 5 yards a carry The same one where we went 10-6? The offensive line really was not our problem last year like it was the year before.....it was lack of offensive weapons (IMO) DS wasn't getting those yards running through holes created by the line. Gore was a shell of himself, but do you remember watching them try to run the ball on 3rd and short? It was brutal. I just want to see at least one piece altered because this aspect of the game wasn't good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: He's a gritty guy and I love his energy. But no. His run blocking abilities don't match the image. I'm just trying to figure out how and where they plan to improve the PUSH generated by the OL. People are rightfully interested in pass pro tackles. It's a big deal. But what appears to be a relatively silent issue with this unit is they don't collectively generate much push. Morse is here for 2020. Now Spain is here for 2020. These are two solid football players who aren't particularly adept at straight line blocking. I was really hoping they'd add a different type of player at LG considering the other pieces. But that's just me. I like it. flip side- frank gore was our lead back for stretches and that was a real concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, WMDman said: Welp there goes everyones hopes of Ford to gaurd Im glad spain got re-signed (hopefully) I am super psyched we got Spain at the price tag we got him at. I am not so sure this means Ford won't play guard. He was a PT'er last year and he may be again this year if the right RT comes along as a FA or pick. This still tells me all signs are pointing to all in on a trade up to get a premium WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think McBeane drafted Ford because they want him at RT and given that Ford was far from tragic his rookie year (I would say he was average overall, rough early but finished better) I think they are comfortable with him (and they have Ty as a stop gap) at RT. This dream so many on this board have of Ford getting kick inside isn't happening (At least I don't think so.) I think they are rolling with the same O-line as last year hoping that continuity and Ford developing more takes them from an above average O-line to a very good one. I remember rushers still blowing by him late in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: DS wasn't getting those yards running through holes created by the line. Gore was a shell of himself, but do you remember watching them try to run the ball on 3rd and short? It was brutal. I just want to see at least one piece altered because this aspect of the game wasn't good enough. One aspect will be altered (I hope) The passing game will get better.....allowing for the running game to be more successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: My only concern with being "not set" is that Feliciano and Nsekhe are up after this year and Dawkins is due an extension. So long term, no. But we're good for this year at least. The truth is that everything is one year at a time. You plan for the future but play for today. You can't predict injuries and other factors that may prevent the team from being able to retain all the players they want. The key is to continue drafting well and so far I trust our FO with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Was hoping the same.... there is just something missing upfront. I doubt they’d trade for a guy like Jackson to put Feliciano on the bench.... I’m guessing they keep all 5 intact even thought an upgrade at RT is needed... That's what I'm thinking. Spain is a nice player, but I don't like the fit considering the other parts. I don't believe Ford is going to hold up at RT and @Hapless Bills Fan has stated that LG would be his natural position. I would have greatly preferred to see them sign an RT and make the switch, but it appears we're going to see the same line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) I like the Spain signing but still hope we upgrade Feliciano’s spot. He’s a great backup with Long, but we can take this OL to the next level with an improvement at RG or RT. Dawkins - Spain - Morse is legit. Edited March 13, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: That's what I'm thinking. Spain is a nice player, but I don't like the fit considering the other parts. I don't believe Ford is going to hold up at RT and @Hapless Bills Fan has stated that LG would be his natural position. I would have greatly preferred to see them sign an RT and make the switch, but it appears we're going to see the same line. LG is the position Ford played in 2016 or 2017 at OU. I'm not equipped to judge whether he would make a good RG in the NFL. I do think it's possible the Bills see some players they like on OL in the draft, but see them as potentially needing a development year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Love it. Now just let Ford develop at RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Honestly Spain was one of the best on the line. I love the resigning. Now just need Ford to either develope or move to the side and let another guy take his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 hours ago, zevo said: I read it as clearly stating a total valuation of 15 million over 3 years...so 5 mill per Likely it is front loaded because they have cap space which I am fine with as long as if player tries to leave Bills use everything allowed in rules including fining every absence. If the Bills gave him $9M in 2020 and two subsequent years at $1M roster bonuses and $2M 2nd and $3M 3rd year salaries ($9+$1+$2+$1+$2) I do not want him, his agent, etc coming out 2nd year saying things like "He was all pro last year and he deserves to be paid as such now. Last contract underpaid him." If he retires file claims on any money owed and refuse to release him if he unretires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Ok. Spain is a nice player, but this line needs a straight line blocker or TWO. LG would be the perfect spot to upgrade with Morse playing center. There's a reason the run game was trash and the main culprit is the fact that the OL is largely comprised of big body guys solid in pass pro, but porous in generating push. Feliciano is a nice player, but mauler? Not really. I'd like this signing a whole lot more if the other two interior OL spots were manned by guys strong at the point of attack. As is, I just don't see an OL conducive for a solid running game. Have you heard of this pesky thing called the salary cap? It exists to prevent some teams from signing elite players at every position... Whilst it would be great to sign (what trade for? ...we are giving up a pick as well?) someone like Gabe Jackson at $11mil a year... it’s difficult to pay him and Morse and Dawkins ( probably next year..) Edited March 13, 2020 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: You mean the same one where DS averaged over 5 yards a carry The same one where we went 10-6? The offensive line really was not our problem last year like it was the year before.....it was lack of offensive weapons (IMO) Indeed, I look to Frank gore as the main problem with our running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Ok. Spain is a nice player, but this line needs a straight line blocker or TWO. LG would be the perfect spot to upgrade with Morse playing center. There's a reason the run game was trash and the main culprit is the fact that the OL is largely comprised of big body guys solid in pass pro, but porous in generating push. Feliciano is a nice player, but mauler? Not really. I'd like this signing a whole lot more if the other two interior OL spots were manned by guys strong at the point of attack. As is, I just don't see an OL conducive for a solid running game. Agreed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: You know? That looks eerily similar to what we rolled with last year. Wait a minute! It's exactly what we had last year! Anybody that's happy running the same group out there again needs to wake up. That unit came up short way too many games last year, including the loss to Houston where they were just pathetic. We're they better than the year before? Sure, but that's like being the best looking patient in the Burn Unit. We need an upgrade at RT. I can live with Dawkins at LT but he's not exactly Franchise caliber. We're not making a serious run with the same " wash, rinse and repeat" O-line. Just my opinion..... I agree completely. we’re going to sign Dawkins to a huge deal and he’s not even a top 10 LT imo. Spain is average but can’t run block well. Morse is the highest paid center and is solid. Feliciano is solid. The RT tandem was pretty bad and is looking to come back intact. Eh. A pedestrian group that played as such in the playoffs when we needed them most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Which is why I'd love to trade for Gabe Jackson for RG. At least one of the guards would be great player at getting serious push in the run game. I think the resigning of Spain is going to negate this.....we are now really loaded at the interior OL positions - Just have a big contract to Morse - Spain - Starter - Jon F. - Starter - Ryan Bates - backup - Spencer Long - backup and this is all assuming that Cody Ford stays at RT 2 hours ago, SCBills said: I like the Spain signing but still hope we upgrade Feliciano’s spot. He’s a great backup with Long, but we can take this OL to the next level with an improvement at RG or RT. Dawkins - Spain - Morse is legit. Jon F. was the best offensive linemen on our team last year. Not sure what you are watching 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Jon F. was the best offensive linemen on our team last year. Not sure what you are watching Couldn’t agree more... He was great this year at both RG and when he had to cover for Morse on more than 1 occasion... Shake my head at the expectations of some people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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