NYup/Parrino Mock Draft - rawwwrr

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I'm posting this 'cuz I like it

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-mock-draft-2020-2-rounds-buffalo-bills-go-edge-rusher-receiver-in-pre-combine-mock.html

 

I claim no knowledge of how likely, best player, etc etc

 

The thing I don't get is the notion of cutting Trent Murphy to save $8M.  Why not hang on to him and keep a proven decent player and worry about cuts only AFTER we have proven players to replace him?

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I'm posting this 'cuz I like it

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-mock-draft-2020-2-rounds-buffalo-bills-go-edge-rusher-receiver-in-pre-combine-mock.html

 

I claim no knowledge of how likely, best player, etc etc

 

The thing I don't get is the notion of cutting Trent Murphy to save $8M.  Why not hang on to him and keep a proven decent player and worry about cuts only AFTER we have proven players to replace him?

The Trent Murphy cut just makes absolutely no sense. There’s almost no chance that it makes your team better this year.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

The Trent Murphy cut just makes absolutely no sense. There’s almost no chance that it makes your team better this year.

 

 

Yeah, it's really nuts to me.  We have so much cap that people are proposing we tag Jordan Phillips 'cuz who cares, plenty of cap.  Then other folks turn around and propose cutting known useful players who are still under contract.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

The Murphy hate is ridiculous and unfounded. He's a good player just not elite , so yeah lets cut him because i want him to be a HOFer  and hes not , so there ?.

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

Only cut him if you resign Shaq and sign an upgrade in UFA. Possibly for some other reason if we need the cap space, which I don't see right now

[The Jokeman]

I'm a Murphy fan and agree cutting him makes no sense. I'm not opposed taking an Edge rusher in Round 1 but more to replace Shaq and eventually Hughes.

[njbuff]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

The Murphy hate is ridiculous and unfounded. He's a good player just not elite , so yeah lets cut him because i want him to be a HOFer  and hes not , so there ?.

 

 

 

I am on the fence about him.

 

He really has some hideous plays in terms of run defense.

 

It'll be interesting to see what the Bills do about Murphy. They may just leave him alone and he remains part of the edge rotation.

I wanna see what the Bengals do about Dunlap.

 

 

 

 

If the Bengals release Dunlap like a lot of people think they will.......................

 

I would cut Murphy in a second and sign Dunlap.

Edited February 18, 2020 by njbuff

[BruceVilanch]

Murphy is serviceable and it's not like we are in cap hell, I think we should keep him one more year.

[Mr. WEO]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

The (enter marginal Bills player name here) hate is ridiculous and unfounded. He's a good player just not elite , so yeah lets cut him because i want him to be a HOFer  and hes not , so there ?.

 

 

 

 

Fixed that.

 

Anyway, since this thread has been morphed into a "cut Murphy??" discussion,  let's get back to HBF's topic----This kid Chaisson would be a solid pick.

[TigerJ]

Personally, if Buffalo goes DE in round 1, I think the receiver I might target in round 2 is Denzel Mims.  Mims needs to be coached up on his route running, but I think he has more talent and upside.

[DFT]

Not after next week, unfortunately.  He’s very likely going to blow up the combine and go even higher than expected.  But it would be a huge get if it fell that way.   The Pats getting Viska hurts though.   

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I'm posting this 'cuz I like it

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-mock-draft-2020-2-rounds-buffalo-bills-go-edge-rusher-receiver-in-pre-combine-mock.html

 

I claim no knowledge of how likely, best player, etc etc

 

The thing I don't get is the notion of cutting Trent Murphy to save $8M.  Why not hang on to him and keep a proven decent player and worry about cuts only AFTER we have proven players to replace him?

You are right. Make the cuts after you have gathered your 90 guys, through FA and draft, and preseason is all but over, and you have chosen your starters/ rotation guys, and depth players, then you do your trades and cuts. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Buffalo Junction]

10 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Personally, if Buffalo goes DE in round 1, I think the receiver I might target in round 2 is Denzel Mims.  Mims needs to be coached up on his route running, but I think he has more talent and upside.

I like Mims. I’m not sure he’s a 2nd rounder though. I think he’ll go in the 3rd barring a dominant combine. Kind of reminds me of Davante Adams with concentration lapses and poor routes.  

[thenorthremembers]

I stopped reading after he had Chaisson going to us at 22.  Like the guy but A. Find it very hard to imagine he gets to 22.  B. Think he fits a 3-4 scheme.much better.

 

Not sure if he had Aiyuk to us in the 2nd but not a.big fan of his if guys like Reagor or Higgins are still available.

[Gambit]

If the draft went like this I'd see if we could jump Philly and take Ruggs. That guy is a baller. 

[aristocrat]

If Ruggs is there at 20 you move up and take him 

[Tipster19]

I don’t know much about any of the college players but watching that highlight reel just reminds me of how much we desperately need speed at the DE position. There is no doubt in my mind that the Bills will take a speed DE in the first rd, maybe even moving up to get one. All we have as of now for speed is an aging Jerry Hughes. An addition here at this position doesn’t necessarily mean a subtraction either. I would like to see the Bills retain Lawson, Hughes, Phillips and even Murphy because they all fulfill a purpose. I would like to see the Bills add a quality LB or 2 as well, either in the draft or via Free agency. Not that the Bills should just stand pat on our secondary but that is a position group that we sit pretty solid at, especially if we retain Kevin Johnson. 
 

Offensively, especially in the draft, the Bills can address their needs in rounds 2-5. Some of the best WRs are found there and the RB position has been so devalued in the last several years that adding one as a compliment to Singletary would be easy to do, if that’s what the Bills deem to do. FAs and/or trade could fulfill that need (RB) as well. As unpopular as it may be I also believe that the QB position should be address as well, either by trade or FA. I love Josh Allen and do believe in him but by no means should the Bills just totally rely on him. Nothing against Barkley but a GOOD veteran QB should be on the menu. God forbid if something were to happen to Allen I don’t believe Barkley could take this team where we want them to go. At one point I mentioned Andy Dalton but it doesn’t necessarily has to be him but someone of his abilities would work as well. An incumbent QB like Marcus Mariotta or possibly even Alex Smith could be the upgrade over Barkley imo.

[Bferra13]

I just cringed reading the title with that "rawwwr." Reminds me of the ending to those lame Buffalo Wild Wings commercials. Other than that, 100% agreed!

[John from Riverside]

If Jeudy or Riggs falls 

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

The Trent Murphy cut just makes absolutely no sense. There’s almost no chance that it makes your team better this year.

 

 

4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

The Murphy hate is ridiculous and unfounded. He's a good player just not elite , so yeah lets cut him because i want him to be a HOFer  and hes not , so there ?.

 

 

I say we move him from DE to OLB where he will simply be too slow and exposed in coverage.  Then we can really hate his guts.  Maybe give him a couple of early extensions for collecting all his merit badges or just being a nice guy.  Make him wear #90 and call him Chris.  Really stick it to the fans. 

Edited February 18, 2020 by Jauronimo

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I stopped reading after he had Chaisson going to us at 22.  Like the guy but A. Find it very hard to imagine he gets to 22.  B. Think he fits a 3-4 scheme.much better.

 

Not sure if he had Aiyuk to us in the 2nd but not a.big fan of his if guys like Reagor or Higgins are still available.

 

What did Chaisson play in college?

 

The problem with all these pre-combine mocks is everyone doing ‘em knows the combine changes things

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

I am on the fence about him.

 

He really has some hideous plays in terms of run defense.

 

It'll be interesting to see what the Bills do about Murphy. They may just leave him alone and he remains part of the edge rotation.

I wanna see what the Bengals do about Dunlap.

 

 

 

 

If the Bengals release Dunlap like a lot of people think they will.......................

 

I would cut Murphy in a second and sign Dunlap.

 

Or you cut the lowest guy on the starting rotation and have both. Dont understand why people want to cut good players when there are backups to cut.

 

We want the best players on the team.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

What did Chaisson play in college?

 

The problem with all these pre-combine mocks is everyone doing ‘em knows the combine changes things

 

So he started the season playing OLB in a 3-4 which is what his body type looks a more natural fit for. But then as the season went on LSU transitioned to more 4 man front stuff with Chaisson coming down and playing as a defensive end and that did produce a spike in his production. 

[Cripple Creek]

9 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

You are right. Make the cuts after you have gathered your 90 guys, through FA and draft, and preseason is all but over, and you have chosen your starters/ rotation guys, and depth players, then you do your trades and cuts. 
 

Go Bills!!!

Is there a roster bonus paid out at the beginning of the league year?

[GunnerBill]

I go the other way on Trent Murphy I am afraid. There is absolutely no way I am paying that man almost $10m in 2020. I don't care that we have the cap space. He is among the worst run defenders I have ever seen and his 5 sacks a year are not convincing me to part with $8m more than I need to (he costs just under $2m if cut) in order to keep him. I'd cut him and I'd do it tomorrow. I'd rather give his snaps to Darryl Johnson or Mike Love or any DE I find on the free agency scrap heap. I can't believe that there isn't a better use of $8m. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

Is there a roster bonus paid out at the beginning of the league year?

That I Don’t know, 

[The Jokeman]

4 hours ago, Jaraxxus said:

I don't get the DE obsession around here. We need offense, not defense.

If Phillips and Lawson leave in UFA than we lose 16 sacks from last season, that doesn't include the 2 and pressures we got from LorAx either.

[Pete]

Pipe dream.  He might of well have Jeudy at 1 and CeeDee at 2

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

The Murphy hate is ridiculous and unfounded. He's a good player just not elite , so yeah lets cut him because i want him to be a HOFer  and hes not , so there ?.

 

 

There sure is a lot of that sort of thinking here, those types tend to be in an endless state of disappointment...?

 

Go Bills!!!

[BillsVet]

8 hours ago, Beck Water said:

The problem with all these pre-combine mocks is everyone doing ‘em knows the combine changes things

 

Free agency and the start of a new league year also figure to change the draft picture.

 

What I love about the draft is it reveals how the decision makers think.  For months we hear a lot of talk, but then everything becomes clear on draft weekend.  

 

It's why I can see them going edge provided a solid prospect is available and then moving up for a WR.  The real interesting scenario would be if a pass rusher and WR are sitting there and how they decide.  

[Happy]

I don't understand how people could be satisfied with Trent Murphy.  He is the Star Lutulieltieieii of the DE position...depth, maybe some rotation, but should see little playing time since he is not an impact player.  Murphy is usually pushed clear out of the play by the RT, and you normally see him running to the pile on your screen when the play is blown dead because that is how far he was removed from the play.  Funny, I believe McD referred to Murphy as having 'that DNA' he's looking for.  I guess that is analogous to having a high motor ala Chris Kelsay.  Both were meh players.

 

No way do I pay Murphy $8M this year, and as pointed out, dead cap is less than $2M.  This is a clear cut and not too hard to replace a middling DE/edge rusher.

[J-GunJoshAllen17]

29 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I don't understand how people could be satisfied with Trent Murphy.  He is the Star Lutulieltieieii of the DE position...

He had a very good playoff game.

[Happy]

5 minutes ago, J-GunJoshAllen17 said:

He had a very good playoff game.

 

IIRC, he had a sack.  Murphy still underperforms game situations where you would look for him to have an impact.  So great for the sack, but there is not enough pressure applied to the QB on a consistent basis, and rushes/screens/misdirections toward the left side of the DL end up being successful for the offense because Murphy is usually out of the play.

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I'm posting this 'cuz I like it

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-mock-draft-2020-2-rounds-buffalo-bills-go-edge-rusher-receiver-in-pre-combine-mock.html

 

I claim no knowledge of how likely, best player, etc etc

 

The thing I don't get is the notion of cutting Trent Murphy to save $8M.  Why not hang on to him and keep a proven decent player and worry about cuts only AFTER we have proven players to replace him?

I am NOT a fan of Murphy as I feel he disappears for long stretches of the season only to make a splash play here or there at the end of the year. And even I think it's pointless to cut him without a replacement. 

 

If we were up against the cap or he was legitimately hurting the team..that's another issue. But I'm never cutting a guy for being average when there is not a guarantee you will find excellent.

[T master]

2 of the top WR's have issues according to some & this years draft being so deep at WR a good one may be able to be had in the 2nd round, Murph is a good team guy works hard, & never quits on a play when on the field so keeping him is not a priority but the team could & have done worse in the past .

 

Seeing as the Peg's have a connection with Penn state i think Gross - Matos could be a great get at 22 if still there, he sounds like a perfect fit for McD's out look on players & a process guy ! If you think that next year both Murph & Hughes could be gone he could be another young player to be around to build on .

 

This tells a lot about the Matos & he sounds like a perfect fit with the rest of the young players on the team .

 

http://www.nfl.com/labs/cfb247/gross-matos/gross-matos

[ProcessYaDigg]

7 hours ago, Jaraxxus said:

I don't get the DE obsession around here. We need offense, not defense.

It's not an obsession.  it's facts.  We need to continue building our elite defense and we need to project players leaving through FA.  If we lose Lawson and/or Phillips, we will need to fill that void.  Why not anticipate losing at least one of them and draft a top tier DE in the first round.  You're right, we do need offense.  But this is a deep class that we can address those needs in the 2nd round and beyond.  If we miss out on one of the top 5 WRs, then who cares.  There's plenty of WRs in this class that will be making some noise in this league who will be drafted in the later rounds.  Our regime has an eye for talent and it will be found.  I've got a strong feeling that our first pick will be spent on a DE.  Put that in the bank.  Sprinkle some process on that!

[Westside]

I don't understand the two picks. He chose two guys he doesn't think will be there when they pick? Is this a mock draft or a wish list?

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Free agency and the start of a new league year also figure to change the draft picture.

 

What I love about the draft is it reveals how the decision makers think.  For months we hear a lot of talk, but then everything becomes clear on draft weekend.  

 

It's why I can see them going edge provided a solid prospect is available and then moving up for a WR.  The real interesting scenario would be if a pass rusher and WR are sitting there and how they decide.  

 

True.

 

I’m hoping we make a bunch of moves in FA to fill gaps at DE and receiver, so we’re in a position where we can truly draft the player we think best.

 

I think if someone we have graded high at edge falls to us, we grab him.  Beane pretty well said that at the Senior Bowl. 

Edge: “those guys go fast”

WR: “there are a number of guys here who can help us”

 

I don’t like that answer, just saying how i think Beane will drive his decisions.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Beck Water

[Mike in Horseheads]

17 minutes ago, westside2 said:

I don't understand the two picks. He chose two guys he doesn't think will be there when they pick? Is this a mock draft or a wish list?

I was thinking the same thing, fix the draft so you get get two guys you want. If we wanted a QB he'd picking Burrow, even though he won't be there.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I don't understand how people could be satisfied with Trent Murphy.  He is the Star Lutulieltieieii of the DE position...depth, maybe some rotation, but should see little playing time since he is not an impact player.  Murphy is usually pushed clear out of the play by the RT, and you normally see him running to the pile on your screen when the play is blown dead because that is how far he was removed from the play.  Funny, I believe McD referred to Murphy as having 'that DNA' he's looking for.  I guess that is analogous to having a high motor ala Chris Kelsay.  Both were meh players.

 

No way do I pay Murphy $8M this year, and as pointed out, dead cap is less than $2M.  This is a clear cut and not too hard to replace a middling DE/edge rusher.

 

It is paying him nearly $10m to keep him. The saving is $8m if you cut him. I'm with you. He isn't worth that. There are better uses for that money. Space or no space.