JerseyBills Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Ray Finkel said: The guy has had a few good games since he left. He is not a dominating receiver and disappears for long stretches. Good trade for the Bills. Horrendous trade to get him in the draft. Great trade to get rid of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 16 hours ago, HOUSE said: I was scarred after giving up 2 # 1s Thank you, House. Honestly...that was perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Funny how his career was "revived" by leaving Buffalo but his 2 most productive seasons were here. Sounds like it was revived by allowing him to coast on other players coattails and not have the pressure of being the #1 WR. Maybe that's more his makeup...he can't handle the pressure of being "The man" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krf139 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) It's like if a girl dumps you. It was her decision based on your actions (or inactions). Then you say that you didn't really like her either and didn't want to be with her. Edited January 30, 2020 by krf139 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, wppete said: Sammy is a headcase. Actually, he was more of a 'foot case'. Probably why Rex loved him. ? 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Oh there is plenty to be critical of........but the vague opinions of former players who left under less than amicable(read: "normal") circumstances is not one of them. Everybody's feelings get hurt when they don't get treated like they want. McCoy is the prime example.........all they did was throw money at that guy..........Rex/Whaley tore up his Eagles deal that still had 3 years left and allowed him to double dip...........then McBeane gave him $2M bonus in summer of 2017 to help sell "the process". And he's still got beef with the team for how he was treated. Whatcha' gonna' do? It will be interesting to see what Jordan Phillips has to say about the organization and this 'Process Regime' once the Bills decline to re-sign him. He's on record as saying that he loves Buffalo, the staff, and the fan base. Will he be singing a different tune come March? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I am no Watkins fan, I never liked him, however this organization was a dumpster fire the few years he was here. I can’t blame him for wanting out and not liking the situation he was put in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 What a non-story. McDermott & Beane traded him in pre-season. Why should he trust coaches that do that? I don't see anything in the story that was not a fact. In fact I remember them working prior to training camp. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2017/07/why_tyrod_taylor_paid_for_sammy_watkins_other_buffalo_bills_to_visit_offseason.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Leaving Buffalo revived his career? Watkins produced far more in his 3 years in Buffalo than the 3 years since he left, not even that close really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 4 hours ago, matter2003 said: Funny how his career was "revived" by leaving Buffalo but his 2 most productive seasons were here. Sounds like it was revived by allowing him to coast on other players coattails and not have the pressure of being the #1 WR. Maybe that's more his makeup...he can't handle the pressure of being "The man" He makes no sense. I was thinking the same thing. Now, he says he might take next year off to chill (after accomplishing so much?) or maybe create another Super Bowl team (like he's the one who led them there) "But I'm really in a different space right now. I don't know what I'm going to do. If we win it, I might chill out. I might sit out a year. You just never know. "Not retiring, but I might just want to rest up and chill. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm going to do something, but you never know. I might want to go somewhere else and create another Super Bowl team. So it's just all about how I'm feeling. I've got to sit down with my family, my parents and grandparents and everybody and just see what I want to do.'' https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28600847/chiefs-sammy-watkins-ponders-future-sit-2020-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Sammy might be my biggest "miss." I was sure he was going to be great. Granted the Bills did not properly utilize him, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 31 minutes ago, bbb said: He makes no sense. I was thinking the same thing. Now, he says he might take next year off to chill (after accomplishing so much?) or maybe create another Super Bowl team (like he's the one who led them there) "But I'm really in a different space right now. I don't know what I'm going to do. If we win it, I might chill out. I might sit out a year. You just never know. "Not retiring, but I might just want to rest up and chill. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm going to do something, but you never know. I might want to go somewhere else and create another Super Bowl team. So it's just all about how I'm feeling. I've got to sit down with my family, my parents and grandparents and everybody and just see what I want to do.'' https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28600847/chiefs-sammy-watkins-ponders-future-sit-2020-season LOL create another Superbowl team LOL jesus christ 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, bbb said: He makes no sense. I was thinking the same thing. Now, he says he might take next year off to chill (after accomplishing so much?) or maybe create another Super Bowl team (like he's the one who led them there) "But I'm really in a different space right now. I don't know what I'm going to do. If we win it, I might chill out. I might sit out a year. You just never know. "Not retiring, but I might just want to rest up and chill. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm going to do something, but you never know. I might want to go somewhere else and create another Super Bowl team. So it's just all about how I'm feeling. I've got to sit down with my family, my parents and grandparents and everybody and just see what I want to do.'' https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28600847/chiefs-sammy-watkins-ponders-future-sit-2020-season Wait.... what?? Edited January 30, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I’m calling it now....Sammy Watkins will be the first Transgender NFL player. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I’m calling it now....Sammy Watkins will be the first Transgender NFL player. Marcia Brady already won that 2 decades ago Edited January 30, 2020 by Buffalo716 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) He must be a high reptilian alien wizard, he somehow got paid 34 million dollars for the last 2 seasons of average at best production. 1180 yds and 6 tds in two seasons with Patrick Mahomes at QB for 34 million bucks. His cap hit was the highest in the NFL this past season and the Chiefs have no interest in the last year of his contract. He might just chill and create more Super Bowl teams. With all that money he should take a trip to the underside of the flat Earth and get some pictures. Edited January 30, 2020 by Turk71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Marcia Brady already won that 2 decades ago There’s an award for this? What the hell does the trophy look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: There’s an award for this? What the hell does the trophy look like? It’s a giant bobble head of Trevor Lawrence 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 ...huh?..."sit out and chill"?....he's under contract for 2020......doesn't like rumors about possible pay cut, so NO PAY instead?..... Chiefs' Sammy Watkins ponders future, might sit out 2020 season Adam Teicher ESPN Staff Writer 3:25 PM ET AVENTURA, Fla. -- Wide receiver Sammy Watkins said he's considering many options -- including one where he would sit out the 2020 season -- as he contemplates his future with the Kansas City Chiefs. "If it suits me and my family and [meets] my needs, for sure," Watkins said Thursday when asked about possibly renegotiating his contract as the Chiefs prepared for Super Bowl LIV against the San Francisco 49ers. "But I'm really in a different space right now. I don't know what I'm going to do. If we win it, I might chill out. I might sit out a year. You just never know. "Not retiring, but I might just want to rest up and chill. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm going to do something, but you never know. I might want to go somewhere else and create another Super Bowl team. So it's just all about how I'm feeling. I've got to sit down with my family, my parents and grandparents and everybody and just see what I want to do.'' https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28600847/chiefs-sammy-watkins-ponders-future-sit-2020-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Good lord, what a baby. I feel like the guy didn't wanna be here from day one. I remember seeing the video of him making his way up here after the draft and he was like, "Off to Buffalo, where I'll be for...the next little while, I guess." Didn't seem excited at all. Probably too busy thinking about his starship or whatever the heck he's into. McCoy whining about not being traded makes zero sense. They cut you, which gave you the chance to sign wherever you wanted instead of having no say in where you went, ya big dummy. I think both these dudes would've pissed and moaned regardless of how they left the team. 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: "Not retiring, but I might just want to rest up and chill. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm going to do something, but you never know. I might want to go somewhere else and create another Super Bowl team. So it's just all about how I'm feeling. I've got to sit down with my family, my parents and grandparents and everybody and just see what I want to do.'' https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28600847/chiefs-sammy-watkins-ponders-future-sit-2020-season The quote in bold is what kills me. "Create another Super Bowl team..." ya, buddy, cause the current Chiefs roster surely couldn't have done it without your Week One 3-TD explosion...which was nice, sure...and then followed up with a disappearing act for the rest of the season. Dude didn't cross the goal line again until the Houston game. Man, I admit, I was a fan when they picked him. I was excited that they made the moves to go after the guy they wanted. Especially after years of the whole "We just gonna stand pat with our picks" BS that Nix did. Hindsight, of course, tells us that it was caca, but it was exciting for me even if for a minute or two. Now, I hope four passes bounce off his mitts and get picked off, and then post-game Mahomes kicks him in the jimmies for being a putz. Edited January 30, 2020 by blacklabel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 self defense mechanism he's all but certain to be a cap casualty. no way he stays for $21 mil cap hit....he knows it unlikely any other team pays him top dollar. so he wants to frame it as his choice to sit out and rest a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 All the talent you could possibly put in a player with zero intangibles. I don't think he enjoys pro football and maybe he should walk away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Needle said: All the talent you could possibly put in a player with zero intangibles. I don't think he enjoys pro football and maybe he should walk away from it. I wondered this while reading that and immediately thought, if McDermott sensed that, no wonder he decided to flip him for a 2nd and EJ Gaines. McDermott’s big thing is football character. I don’t fault Sammy or anyone else for deciding they don’t love it. It’s not an easy game, you need to put your health on the line, and he’s set for life financially. It’s just not the type of player McDermott wants on his team. Edited January 30, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, papazoid said: self defense mechanism he's all but certain to be a cap casualty. no way he stays for $21 mil cap hit....he knows it unlikely any other team pays him top dollar. so he wants to frame it as his choice to sit out and rest a year. ..so should we anticipate the "bring 'em in " threads?.....you know THAT drill and TBD purgatory period is ripe......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: I wonder what team he'll be on that you are shutting down. He'll be a FA this offseason. Maybe the Colts or Jags bring him in? Or possibly the Jets? I've never been to Buffalo. It looks like a fine town to me, but I like snow and wings. I think while the town itself probably doesn't have a great rep, the actual football team hasn't recently been a squad that most top guys would think was about to go to the SB. Maybe that perception changes if Allen takes another step and Buffalo wins a playoff game or 2 in 2020. Ultimately, 95% of guys will go if the Bills are the highest bidder. Mostly agree, just think it’s weird it always comes up. Why are they talking about Buffalo when they’re at the pro bowl or about to play in the super bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Oh there is plenty to be critical of........but the vague opinions of former players who left under less than amicable(read: "normal") circumstances is not one of them. Everybody's feelings get hurt when they don't get treated like they want. McCoy is the prime example.........all they did was throw money at that guy..........Rex/Whaley tore up his Eagles deal that still had 3 years left and allowed him to double dip...........then McBeane gave him $2M bonus in summer of 2017 to help sell "the process". And he's still got beef with the team for how he was treated. Whatcha' gonna' do? I haven't recalled Shady saying anything negative, aside from mentioning that he wanted the FO to be more honest, which none of us necessarily disagree with - seems less critical and more straightforward from my point of view. He expanded upon his talk about the bills by giving the community and fanbase glowing compliments from what I read earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I wondered this while reading that and immediately thought, if McDermott sensed that, no wonder he decided to flip him for a 2nd and EJ Gaines. McDermott’s big thing is football character. I don’t fault Sammy or anyone else for deciding they don’t love it. It’s not an easy game, you need to put your health on the line, and he’s set for life financially. It’s just not the type of player McDermott wants on his team. Watkins has given off that vibe many times and this quote about taking a year off just solidifies that in my opinion. I agree with the decision not to pay a guy that isn't all in. I agree with you and I don't really fault Sammy. In many ways alot of these athletes have lost the opportunity to do something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Needle said: Watkins has given off that vibe many times and this quote about taking a year off just solidifies that in my opinion. I agree with the decision not to pay a guy that isn't all in. I agree with you and I don't really fault Sammy. In many ways alot of these athletes have lost the opportunity to do something different. What a sacrifice, Sammy made 53 million bucks in 6 years playing football while having to give up his dream of being an alien reptilian brain surgeon frisbeeing through space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Turk71 said: What a sacrifice, Sammy made 53 million bucks in 6 years playing football while having to give up his dream of being an alien reptilian brain surgeon frisbeeing through space. Just because the money is incredible doesn't mean that a person loves the job. If you don't love being in the NFL, I would imagine it could be difficult doing the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Comments from McCoy that link off that article... Quote “I just wish they would have been more honest, because I was trying to get out of there,” McCoy said. “So it was weird. So many things entered my mind.” McCoy never took any shots at Singletary, but certainty he seems unhappy with the Bills to a degree, calling the end of his time with the team “up and down” and mentioning he requested a trade if the team is “rebuilding.” I think people can stop with the McBeane hate on both Sammy and McCoy now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, bbb said: He makes no sense. I was thinking the same thing. Now, he says he might take next year off to chill (after accomplishing so much?) or maybe create another Super Bowl team (like he's the one who led them there) "But I'm really in a different space right now. I don't know what I'm going to do. If we win it, I might chill out. I might sit out a year. You just never know. "Not retiring, but I might just want to rest up and chill. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm going to do something, but you never know. I might want to go somewhere else and create another Super Bowl team. So it's just all about how I'm feeling. I've got to sit down with my family, my parents and grandparents and everybody and just see what I want to do.'' https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28600847/chiefs-sammy-watkins-ponders-future-sit-2020-season Sounds like a real team first guy. He should chill after that whopping production he cranked out this season Talk about a guy living off of old expectations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Lends a bit more credibility to that thread criticizing him for getting depressed and mopey on the sidelines when they were losing. Not tons, but a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, bbb said: He makes no sense. I was thinking the same thing. Now, he says he might take next year off to chill (after accomplishing so much?) or maybe create another Super Bowl team (like he's the one who led them there) "But I'm really in a different space right now. I don't know what I'm going to do. If we win it, I might chill out. I might sit out a year. You just never know. "Not retiring, but I might just want to rest up and chill. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm going to do something, but you never know. I might want to go somewhere else and create another Super Bowl team. So it's just all about how I'm feeling. I've got to sit down with my family, my parents and grandparents and everybody and just see what I want to do.'' https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28600847/chiefs-sammy-watkins-ponders-future-sit-2020-season Talk about being out of touch with reality. 20 hours ago, elroy16 said: Sammy might be my biggest "miss." I was sure he was going to be great. Granted the Bills did not properly utilize him, but still. He had his best production with the Bills. If Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes can’t make him look good, nobody can. He isn’t a bust, he is a second tier wide receiver because of his attitude. First tier talent. Can’t coach attitude or character. Edited January 31, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 55 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Sounds like a real team first guy. He should chill after that whopping production he cranked out this season Talk about a guy living off of old expectations Reid aught to sit his ass. He won’t be the difference between a win and a loss. WTF talks like that at this time? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, JimKellyTryouts said: I haven't recalled Shady saying anything negative, aside from mentioning that he wanted the FO to be more honest, which none of us necessarily disagree with - seems less critical and more straightforward from my point of view. He expanded upon his talk about the bills by giving the community and fanbase glowing compliments from what I read earlier. I disagree with your contention that they should have been "more honest". And saying someone should be "more honest" is BOTH critical(you lied!) and the opposite of "straightforward"..? McBeane's obligation is to do what's best for the organization. They weren't obligated to trade him in October of 2018 nor were they wrong for not releasing him after the season if there was a chance that he wouldn't make the 2019 roster. When he insisted on $26M in new guaranteed money and two more years added to his Eagles contract(which ran thru the end of 2017) just to report to the team in 2015 he kinda' waived a lot of his rights going forward. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Adios Sammy. Sometimes a parting of the ways is the best option. Congrats on being the best decoy in Bills history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 8:14 PM, billsfan89 said: Although I think Sammy did have his issues that were on him I could understand what he is saying IF (and this is unknown) McD had assured Sammy that he was a big part of their future and that they want him there long term (which considering his age at the time and the fact that he was a blue chip player inherited by McD is possible) and then they turn around and trade him would scar a players trust in coaches. Sammy had probably by 2017 never had an issue staying on a team or believing a coach when they said they wanted him. I would assume he was heavily recruited out of high school and was a star in college, he was then drafted by Buffalo high up and survived a coaching change from Marrone to Rex. Then suddenly a new coach trades you in pre-season (possibly after being reassured you are part of the teams plans) and you are in a position as a player you never have been in. I don't think that is an unreasonable emotion for a player to have. And I don't blame McD for pulling that type of move, for one he could have actually felt that Sammy was a part of the team's future when he got there until realizing he had attitude issues or he just wanted to preserve his trade value by not announcing he was trading Sammy. It just ended up being a bitter situation for both parties that needed to end when it did. Sammy seems to have matured a bit the past year or so and he is doing well. The Bills got a pick used to trade up for Josh and a good season out of a corner for him. He was a part of the team’s plans. He was a part of the plan to get picks to move up and get the future QB that’s a big part of the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I was not a guy who wanted to trade Sammy when it happened. I did feel we got fair compensation, so I wasn't bitter, but after seeing what Sammy did early here I was looking forward to seeing him healthy and back in the fold. Once he got to LA, I gave Sammy the benefit of the doubt as no one on the team had crazy stats as they spread the ball around so much. I watched him get doubled a lot too. However, since he landed in KC, I feel like several things have become a lot more clear about Sammy. From a talent perspective, he has loads of it. But the reality is, he is just soft and lacks that drive to be great and live up to his abilities. He just doesn't have that extra gear. I think if KC had cut him over his massive contract, he would have had a good market and could have gotten another deal at $10M+ per year still. HOWEVER...these latest comments would be quite the turn off and red flag to me if I was a GM. Might take a year off? Clear sign football isn't his passion or priority to sit out in your prime and "chill". Not a good look for his commitment or drive even if he doesn't actually sit a year. And his comments about how valuable he is because he shows up to practice? Come on, thats your job Sammy, that doesn't make you "special" like he said. Personally, I think he really hurt his value if he became a FA due to KC cutting him over his contract. And there is still the option of renegotiating his contract to stay in KC, but honestly, I am not so sure KC will want given how little he has produced and these recent comments. They got other good WR's and this is also a loaded WR draft. I can't see KC wanting to pay Sammy even on a reduced deal when they have cheaper WR's on the roster now and an opportunity to draft more cheap talent in a loaded WR class. PREDICTION: KC does NOT renegotiate and just cuts him. He is forced to sign a one year prove it deal for like $8M somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 7:03 PM, IgotBILLStopay said: Sour Grapes. Rarely will a player ever say nice things about a team that didnt want him - Dareus, Sammy, Shady etc. The narrative coming from the players in the locker room is what I care about at this point. I didn't think Sammy ever wanted to be here in the 1st place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I’m calling it now....Sammy Watkins will be the first Transgender NFL player. My money is on Dawson Knox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Gugny said: My money is on Dawson Knox. You don’t have money. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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