Penn State 1st Round Hopeful, Gross-Matos named in Federal Hazing Lawsuit.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

And is well sexual assault. Unless you like nuts dropped on your chin unwanted 

He did the Dolomite!!

[C.Biscuit97]

It doesn’t make it right but this stuff happens in almost every locker room.  Also by all accounts, this guy is thought to have great character.  I believe his dad drown when he was kid trying to save him and his brother was killed by lightning.  Would kinda suck to hear if someone who went through that would be a part of this. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I mean, you can pretend its not a thing if you like. That it isn’t something dudes have done for literally generations as a prank. Sure, its different in todays social culture, but that wasnt the case as recently as ten years ago.

A lot of effed up things happened until people stood up and made the people doing them stop.  The attitude of “That’s just how things are” is just a way of validating those effed up things.  

Edited January 15, 2020 by BarleyNY

[Mr. WEO]

Wow,  which is the more homoerotic program:  Penn State football or Jim Jordan's Ohio State wrestling?

 

 

Edited January 15, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[MJS]

I want my children to play sports, and hazing is the one thing that gives me pause. I was never really hazed myself, but I saw it happen and know that it often gets out of hand. I don't want my kids to have to go through that. Nobody should have to.

 

It's an unhealthy and often criminal tradition that needs to be eradicated from sports. Not one good thing comes from it. Only bad. And it isn't only sports. It's common in the military and other professions as well. The things that I've heard of happening at the air force academy or other training facilities churns my stomach. This all needs to be stamped out.

[Ayjent]

2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Overwhelming odds are that every guy on the Bills staff with any collegiate or professional sports background were themselves hazed, and then hazed people below them afterwards.  Hazing did not become taboo until the last 10 to 15 years.  Before that, hazing was often tradition. I have a hard time believing anyone in the organization would consider it a disqualifying event.  Also, and this is a minor point, but Franklin wasn't named in the suit.  He may have been identified as a participant, but "named" implies that he is a defendant. He is not. 

This stuff is way over the normal hazing type stuff. Weird and questionable stuff happens in locker rooms but this stuff isn’t that. It’s outright sexual assault, and way over the line compared to anything Ive ever see happen at many different levels and locker rooms.  No way around it. If you think it’s normal stuff, you’re wrong.  Really the most disgusting part is that it wasn’t addressed by either teammates or staff.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

You should quit when you're behind.

[1ManRaid]

2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

Call it whatever you want, but if someone were to try to stick their balls on my face they would quickly find themselves unable to put them to more fruitful ventures in the future.  That crap don't fly any more for good reason.

 

Some of the worse hazing legitimately traumatizes people, and it's not about them being a "wuss".

[Chaos]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

did I say Franklin was. Nope. I know Penn St fans will come running to the defense here. 
 

Federal Lawsuit = Taboo I guess. Crimes are Crimes doesn’t matter if they were accepted 10-15 years ago. 

Lawsuits are civil, not criminal actions.  Was the player charged with a crime? 

[CaptnCoke11]

Hahaha Penn State bunch of ***** stains.. Eatin too much pedophile peach ice cream at the “creamery”

[Mr. WEO]

Penn State--->State pen

 

Perv State.

[Simon]

I don't care if he's Charles Haley freaky, he looks like the re-incarnation of Tamba Hali.

If he miraculously falls to 22, the Bills should sprint to the podium.

 

 

[MAJBobby]

40 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Lawsuits are civil, not criminal actions.  Was the player charged with a crime? 

I don’t know ask the DA office that has been shown to protect the program at Penn State

[Chaos]

9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I don’t know ask the DA office that has been shown to protect the program at Penn State

So we agree, you don't know.  

[aristocrat]

what's the deal with stroking another dudes junk in front of a bunch of people?  

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I wonder if any of the others said they were going to Joe Paterno them and just sit by and watch.

 

 

My sister-in-law works at Penn State. Back in the Sandusky aftermath she worked with the “major donors”, so her work was kinda like working at the beach bar, then winter hit all at once. 

 

You’d think if ANY school would have learned a lesson.....but you can’t control every college kid, no matter how you try. Tough situation, but needs to be corrected. 

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Heres the thing. The majority of that stems from binge drinking. That is obviously super dangerous. That said, hazing is used to justify prohibiting a much longer list of types of hazing. Things that might look like bullying are a great example. That seems a bit far. 

There's no such thing as a bit far when the risk reward is so absurdly slanted.  Best case, a few people come together and form bonds more quickly under shared stress and do not resent their tormentor.  Worst case, rape, death.

 

The institution of hazing is indefensible.  The liability presented by hazing is too great for any organization.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

There is hazing, and then there is hazing.

Huge difference from making a freshman serve dinner to upper classmen or picking the worst Halloween costumes for them to wear and what is alleged here

 

At the end of the day someone needs to know how to read a room

[jimmy10]

They should have burned that program to the ground and salted the earth years ago. 

[LB48]

5 hours ago, NC Book said:

Meh Christian Wilkins fingered some guys b hole on the field, during the game and still went 13th. I'm jk. I still think he'll be drafted in the 1st round. Hazing isn't as big as a red flag to me as being arrested for drugs, guns or violence. 

agree - it's minor league!

[par73]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Penn State--->State pen

 

Perv State.

Yup-- they have a long history of hazing offenses in "Happy Valley." The place is blatantly perverted, with the HC cheering them on.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

 

Funny, I always thought horseplay was something like grabbing someone around the neck and rubbing their hair or giving them a noogie or stuffing snow down their shirt collar or maybe a smack on the clothed butt or hiding their cleats or squirting them with Gatorade or something like that.

 

I didn't realize that “direct contact with an intimate body part constitutes one of the most severe forms of sexual harassment” on the job but is "just horseplay" in the locker room.

 

I think that's BS myself.  Being common in your experience doesn't make it right.  I'll spare the board my list of institutions where outrageous conduct was once common but is clearly still outrageous, and not too pretty to defend. 

1 hour ago, jimmy10 said:

They should have burned that program to the ground and salted the earth years ago. 

 

Apparently so. 

[Reed83HOF]

the only time teabagging is acceptable - because seriously F that guy in PVP

 

In real life; people still do that - grow up

Edited January 15, 2020 by Reed83HOF

[london_bills]

7 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28484451/former-nittany-lions-player-files-federal-lawsuit-james-franklin-penn-state-hazing?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

“The suit alleges that Humphries was subject to hazing brought on by Barber, linebacker Micah Parsons, defensive lineman Yetur Gross-Matos and linebacker Jesse Luketa and that the coaching staff was aware of the hazing and did not protect Humphries.”

 

 

doesn’t scream “process” and family to me. 

Basic bullying 

[jkx2]

7 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

My bad, switch that. I meant Gross-Matos. Franklin was the one named. I didn't proof my response. 

 

Also, super random to call my a Penn St. fan. I don't really know what to do with that.  I just think the anti-hazing movement is silly.  

Yeah, it's to bad you can't pull a full Ned Beatty on anybody these days. Snowflakes. 

Quote: "perpetrators would allegedly steal victims' clothes and wrestle them to the ground while shoving their genitalia on their face or between their buttocks"

[Buffalo86]

We can't have some rookie coming into the locker room and teabagging the veterans.  We'd be the laughingstock of the league!

[John in Jax]

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

ok Boomer 

[LB3]

14 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

I was in a frat in the early aughts. Stuff like nutchecks or teabagging  always seemed silly to me, but not like assault. I think average hazing like getting yelled at while doing lots of cardio/pushups or having eggs broke over your head is pretty normal and harmless. I think most people just hear hazing and think of the extreme stories where kids get raped by brooms or take serious beatings. That stuff shouldn't be acceptable.

 

All that said, a lot of reactions in this thread reminded me of this.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

 

Yeah, really bad take.  Even back in the day when kids walked uphill to school through the snow both ways, kids on the receiving end did not always "shrug them off as initiation rites and/or harmless".  They may have had or perceived themselves as having little or no recourse, but that doesn't mean it had no effect. 

 

See some of the reports on survivors of Victorian Union Workhouses, Irish Industrial Schools, Canadian Barnardo Schools, and for that matter the Catholic church in general.

 

[CBennett]

Im so glad i didnt grow up in this SOFT generation we are currently raising. I dont know what if anything happened and how serious it was i wish i knew so that I could seriously either say man that was WRONG   OR say man GTFO with this current day weak sauce mental frailty *****...but since I dont know I cant make a true statement on what I think. 

 

There is stuff that I would say is "mild" like shaving cream in a helmet,singing a song for the team, having to carry around a Senior players helmet,etc,etc

 

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

I remember the shaving creme in my helmet, i remember carrying around someone helmet and pads through training camp/2 a days, I remember atomic balm in the jock strap...thats about as far as ours got though..

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, CBennett said:

Im so glad i didnt grow up in this SOFT generation we are currently raising. I dont know what if anything happened and how serious it was i wish i knew so that I could seriously either say man that was WRONG   OR say man GTFO with this current day weak sauce mental frailty *****...but since I dont know I cant make a true statement on what I think. 

 

There is stuff that I would say is "mild" like shaving cream in a helmet,singing a song for the team, having to carry around a Senior players helmet,etc,etc

 

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

I remember the shaving creme in my helmet, i remember carrying around someone helmet and pads through training camp/2 a days, I remember atomic balm in the jock strap...thats about as far as ours got though..

so if your generation wasn’t fine with dropping nuts on your Chin would you be calling them soft?  Or would your generation be ok with Nuts being dropped on your chin?

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

 

How many years before the stench of all those rancid taints and scrotums wore off the typical "oldster's" chin?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

35 minutes ago, CBennett said:

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

 

 

There's truth in this. Generally, anything that could cause physical harm shouldn't be allowed. But there IS an element in this society that wants ANYTHING remotely hazinglike removed from society because, well, they think they know better than everyone else.

 

 

 

[CuseBill]

Just finished reading this thread and I'm shocked that in 2020 there are still people (yeah I'm looking at you JoshAllenHasBigHands), from whatever generation, who still think various forms of sexual harassment are mild forms of hazing.  Sexual harassment is sexual harassment.  Hazing is hazing.  Like Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart wrote about pornography, I may not know how to define it but I know it when I see it.  I guess you missed that day of Constitutional Law class at the highly ranked (sarcasm) Syracuse University College of Law.  Under what circumstances is "teabagging" a teammate ever acceptable?  I participated in high school sports, including football, and I have coached high school sports, including football, for many years, and I have never seen any form of hazing.  You know why, because the intelligent adults in the room made it clear that it would not be permitted or tolerated in any form!  I sure am glad that no one who ever coached my kids thought hazing, in any form, was okay.

[badassgixxer05]

Yeah, this doesn't sound like hazing, sounds like sexual assault to me. Is this really what kids do these days? Some weird *****. Can't ever say I've had the urge to put my genitals on another man, especially against his will.. lol

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Just flat out sick if true, and shows that more rot needs to be excised from that program—this is the exact opposite of ‘team building’ or high character development to point out the obvious. Responsibility for program oversight all flows from the top, imho, and that’s where ultimately this should end, with the HC being shown the door and whatever admin hack(s) enabled turning a blind eye to red flags along the way. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! ?

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

With all due respect, this is something much different. When I pledged my frat in the mid to late 90’s, we were sleep deprived and had to do calisthenics at odd hours, recite chapter history and eat crappy food. I promise you anything close to what is alleged here would still have been criminal back then. Knowing my pledge brothers at the time, we would have gone to war to blow up the place figuratively speaking had something like that happened to any of us. My point is, no matter the generation, there are certain lines that have never been considered cool/harmless to cross. 

[noacls]

I played football in college 20 years ago. S**t like that never happened hazing wise. You might get roughed up or taped to goal post before practice. Possibly even a fight but there were no sexual assaults taking place. This is disgusting and PSU football should get the death penalty if true. 

[YoloinOhio]

Interesting that Humphries’ dad played there as well, so it must have been not so easy to go forward with this. Btw he was also drafted by the Bills. 

Edited January 15, 2020 by YoloinOhio