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Penn State 1st Round Hopeful, Gross-Matos named in Federal Hazing Lawsuit.

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3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And is well sexual assault. Unless you like nuts dropped on your chin unwanted 

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

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1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

Let me know what law firm you work for so I can make sure NONE of my family and friends use it. Don’t like lawyers that well are ok with hazing and sexual assault. 

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21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Humphries claims the alleged bullies would wrestle victims to the ground and shove their genitals in their faces. Other threats allegedly included assailants saying, "I am going to Sandusky you," referencing disgraced former Nittany Lions defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. 
 

ummm that doesn’t conform ANYWHERE 

I wonder if any of the others said they were going to Joe Paterno them and just sit by and watch.

 

44 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Overwhelming odds are that every guy on the Bills staff with any collegiate or professional sports background were themselves hazed, and then hazed people below them afterwards.  Hazing did not become taboo until the last 10 to 15 years.  Before that, hazing was often tradition. I have a hard time believing anyone in the organization would consider it a disqualifying event.  Also, and this is a minor point, but Franklin wasn't named in the suit.  He may have been identified as a participant, but "named" implies that he is a defendant. He is not. 

Hazing happens pretty much everywhere if something has become taboo it's the more extreme cases of it.

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One simple rule that will help you have a happier life: Don’t be a $%#@& knucklehead. Do this to anybody, and you deserve every bit of punishment you get. YES, I’ve heard of this, and a lot of other horrible behaviors. That doesn’t make it any less reprehensible. 

7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

 

Leaving the pine cone out does NOT make it OK. 

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4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Let me know what law firm you work for so I can make sure NONE of my family and friends use it. Don’t like lawyers that well are ok with hazing and sexual assault. 

Why do you keep trying to make this personal? Im talking about a real social phenomenon and how people perceive it. Im not even saying its ok.

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24 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I've been a part of a frat that was suspended for hazing. The problem is they using the umbrella term "hazing" to encompass any number of activities that universities deem problematic to eliminate behavior that doesn't conform to the new socially just model of modern universities. 

My frat was also suspended for hazing.  While nothing close to the behavior detailed in the Penn State allegations occurred at my frat (wanton acts of homosexuality were reserved for brothers and totally forbidden for pledges) hazing has a tendency to get more extreme and out of control no matter how harmless it may start.  

 

Every year some kid dies as a result of hazing gone bad.  Every year, crimes like assault and sexual abuse are committed in the name of hazing.  Its an unacceptable outcome. 

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7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

My frat was also suspended for hazing.  While nothing close to the behavior detailed in the Penn State allegations occurred at my frat (wanton acts of homosexuality were reserved for brothers and totally forbidden for pledges) hazing has a tendency to get more extreme and out of control no matter how harmless it may start.  

 

Every year some kid dies as a result of hazing gone bad.  Every year, crimes like assault and sexual abuse are committed in the name of hazing.  Its an unacceptable outcome. 


Heres the thing. The majority of that stems from binge drinking. That is obviously super dangerous. That said, hazing is used to justify prohibiting a much longer list of types of actions. Things that might look like bullying are a great example. That seems a bit far. 

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13 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Why do you keep trying to make this personal? Im talking about a real social phenomenon and how people perceive it. Im not even saying its ok.


but you are justifying this as locker room horseplay. That is how you perceive it. 

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5 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:


Heres the thing. The majority of that stems from binge drinking. That is obviously super dangerous. That said, hazing is used to justify prohibiting a much longer list of types of actions. Things that might look like bullying are a great example. That seems a bit far. 

 

So, we’re going to do very bad things, so that we don’t do even worse things?  Sorry, 100% unacceptable. Period. 

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So far it's been investigated, and there's no evidence to corroborate the kids allegations. Also a lot of players are speaking out, including Ryan Bates:

 

 

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1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

So, we’re going to do very bad things, so that we don’t do even worse things?  Sorry, 100% unacceptable. Period. 

I dont really follow what you are trying to say here.

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7 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I dont really follow what you are trying to say here.

 

See the bold text, hazing does not justify anything. It’s just wrong. I played sports into college, and my kids were in frats. It can and should be done without any of this behavior. The worst they got was being the DD for a weekend or bringing the donuts. IF TRUE, this needs to be firmly handled and become a lesson for everyone.  Again. 

 

 

It’s not just common locker room horseplay. We had some of that at at my kids HS (and it never even became physical) with football. The HC was out as soon as it became known. He was part of the problem. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:


but you are justifying this as locker room horseplay. That is how you perceive it. 

I do. That doesnt mean its ok. But I also dont think he should be regarded as acting with the same kind of malice as someone who uses drugs or prostitutes. Nor do i think GMs and coaches will.

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1 hour ago, NC Book said:

Meh Christian Wilkins fingered some guys b hole on the field, during the game and still went 13th. I'm jk. I still think he'll be drafted in the 1st round. Hazing isn't as big as a red flag to me as being arrested for drugs, guns or violence. 

Tell me more please, tell me more. Now if it were Kuechly, TJ Watt or the Bosas... I'd take one for the team:wub:

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1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

And is well sexual assault. Unless you like nuts dropped on your chin unwanted 

He did the Dolomite!!

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It doesn’t make it right but this stuff happens in almost every locker room.  Also by all accounts, this guy is thought to have great character.  I believe his dad drown when he was kid trying to save him and his brother was killed by lightning.  Would kinda suck to hear if someone who went through that would be a part of this. 

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1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:


I mean, you can pretend its not a thing if you like. That it isn’t something dudes have done for literally generations as a prank. Sure, its different in todays social culture, but that wasnt the case as recently as ten years ago.

A lot of effed up things happened until people stood up and made the people doing them stop.  The attitude of “That’s just how things are” is just a way of validating those effed up things.  

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Wow,  which is the more homoerotic program:  Penn State football or Jim Jordan's Ohio State wrestling?

 

 

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I want my children to play sports, and hazing is the one thing that gives me pause. I was never really hazed myself, but I saw it happen and know that it often gets out of hand. I don't want my kids to have to go through that. Nobody should have to.

 

It's an unhealthy and often criminal tradition that needs to be eradicated from sports. Not one good thing comes from it. Only bad. And it isn't only sports. It's common in the military and other professions as well. The things that I've heard of happening at the air force academy or other training facilities churns my stomach. This all needs to be stamped out.

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2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Overwhelming odds are that every guy on the Bills staff with any collegiate or professional sports background were themselves hazed, and then hazed people below them afterwards.  Hazing did not become taboo until the last 10 to 15 years.  Before that, hazing was often tradition. I have a hard time believing anyone in the organization would consider it a disqualifying event.  Also, and this is a minor point, but Franklin wasn't named in the suit.  He may have been identified as a participant, but "named" implies that he is a defendant. He is not. 

This stuff is way over the normal hazing type stuff. Weird and questionable stuff happens in locker rooms but this stuff isn’t that. It’s outright sexual assault, and way over the line compared to anything Ive ever see happen at many different levels and locker rooms.  No way around it. If you think it’s normal stuff, you’re wrong.  Really the most disgusting part is that it wasn’t addressed by either teammates or staff.

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2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

You should quit when you're behind.

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2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:


You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

Call it whatever you want, but if someone were to try to stick their balls on my face they would quickly find themselves unable to put them to more fruitful ventures in the future.  That crap don't fly any more for good reason.

 

Some of the worse hazing legitimately traumatizes people, and it's not about them being a "wuss".

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3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:


did I say Franklin was. Nope. I know Penn St fans will come running to the defense here. 
 

Federal Lawsuit = Taboo I guess. Crimes are Crimes doesn’t matter if they were accepted 10-15 years ago. 

Lawsuits are civil, not criminal actions.  Was the player charged with a crime? 

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Hahaha Penn State bunch of ***** stains.. Eatin too much pedophile peach ice cream at the “creamery”

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