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I don't care if he's Charles Haley freaky, he looks like the re-incarnation of Tamba Hali.

If he miraculously falls to 22, the Bills should sprint to the podium.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Lawsuits are civil, not criminal actions.  Was the player charged with a crime? 

I don’t know ask the DA office that has been shown to protect the program at Penn State

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9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I don’t know ask the DA office that has been shown to protect the program at Penn State

So we agree, you don't know.  

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what's the deal with stroking another dudes junk in front of a bunch of people?  

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3 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I wonder if any of the others said they were going to Joe Paterno them and just sit by and watch.

 

 

My sister-in-law works at Penn State. Back in the Sandusky aftermath she worked with the “major donors”, so her work was kinda like working at the beach bar, then winter hit all at once. 

 

You’d think if ANY school would have learned a lesson.....but you can’t control every college kid, no matter how you try. Tough situation, but needs to be corrected. 

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3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:


Heres the thing. The majority of that stems from binge drinking. That is obviously super dangerous. That said, hazing is used to justify prohibiting a much longer list of types of hazing. Things that might look like bullying are a great example. That seems a bit far. 

There's no such thing as a bit far when the risk reward is so absurdly slanted.  Best case, a few people come together and form bonds more quickly under shared stress and do not resent their tormentor.  Worst case, rape, death.

 

The institution of hazing is indefensible.  The liability presented by hazing is too great for any organization.

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There is hazing, and then there is hazing.

Huge difference from making a freshman serve dinner to upper classmen or picking the worst Halloween costumes for them to wear and what is alleged here

 

At the end of the day someone needs to know how to read a room

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They should have burned that program to the ground and salted the earth years ago. 

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5 hours ago, NC Book said:

Meh Christian Wilkins fingered some guys b hole on the field, during the game and still went 13th. I'm jk. I still think he'll be drafted in the 1st round. Hazing isn't as big as a red flag to me as being arrested for drugs, guns or violence. 

agree - it's minor league!

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2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Penn State--->State pen

 

Perv State.

Yup-- they have a long history of hazing offenses in "Happy Valley." The place is blatantly perverted, with the HC cheering them on.

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5 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:


You never hears of teabagging? Sure, it sounds crazy out of context, but ive seen that in multiple places-high school, hockey, the frat.  Also, remember the movie Waiting? The ball sack game? That falls under the heading of hazing now. Its just horseplay. 

 

Funny, I always thought horseplay was something like grabbing someone around the neck and rubbing their hair or giving them a noogie or stuffing snow down their shirt collar or maybe a smack on the clothed butt or hiding their cleats or squirting them with Gatorade or something like that.

 

I didn't realize that “direct contact with an intimate body part constitutes one of the most severe forms of sexual harassment” on the job but is "just horseplay" in the locker room.

 

I think that's BS myself.  Being common in your experience doesn't make it right.  I'll spare the board my list of institutions where outrageous conduct was once common but is clearly still outrageous, and not too pretty to defend. 

1 hour ago, jimmy10 said:

They should have burned that program to the ground and salted the earth years ago. 

 

Apparently so. 

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the only time teabagging is acceptable - because seriously F that guy in PVP

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In real life; people still do that - grow up

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7 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28484451/former-nittany-lions-player-files-federal-lawsuit-james-franklin-penn-state-hazing?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

“The suit alleges that Humphries was subject to hazing brought on by Barber, linebacker Micah Parsons, defensive lineman Yetur Gross-Matos and linebacker Jesse Luketa and that the coaching staff was aware of the hazing and did not protect Humphries.”

 

 

doesn’t scream “process” and family to me. 

Basic bullying 

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7 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

My bad, switch that. I meant Gross-Matos. Franklin was the one named. I didn't proof my response. 

 

Also, super random to call my a Penn St. fan. I don't really know what to do with that.  I just think the anti-hazing movement is silly.  

Yeah, it's to bad you can't pull a full Ned Beatty on anybody these days. Snowflakes. 

Quote: "perpetrators would allegedly steal victims' clothes and wrestle them to the ground while shoving their genitalia on their face or between their buttocks"

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We can't have some rookie coming into the locker room and teabagging the veterans.  We'd be the laughingstock of the league!

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The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! 😂

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

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1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! 😂

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.


ok Boomer 

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14 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Have you guys really never heard of this? This isnt even close to the worst kind of hazing. 

I was in a frat in the early aughts. Stuff like nutchecks or teabagging  always seemed silly to me, but not like assault. I think average hazing like getting yelled at while doing lots of cardio/pushups or having eggs broke over your head is pretty normal and harmless. I think most people just hear hazing and think of the extreme stories where kids get raped by brooms or take serious beatings. That stuff shouldn't be acceptable.

 

All that said, a lot of reactions in this thread reminded me of this.

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1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! 😂

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

 

Yeah, really bad take.  Even back in the day when kids walked uphill to school through the snow both ways, kids on the receiving end did not always "shrug them off as initiation rites and/or harmless".  They may have had or perceived themselves as having little or no recourse, but that doesn't mean it had no effect. 

 

See some of the reports on survivors of Victorian Union Workhouses, Irish Industrial Schools, Canadian Barnardo Schools, and for that matter the Catholic church in general.

 

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Im so glad i didnt grow up in this SOFT generation we are currently raising. I dont know what if anything happened and how serious it was i wish i knew so that I could seriously either say man that was WRONG   OR say man GTFO with this current day weak sauce mental frailty *****...but since I dont know I cant make a true statement on what I think. 

 

There is stuff that I would say is "mild" like shaving cream in a helmet,singing a song for the team, having to carry around a Senior players helmet,etc,etc

 

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

I remember the shaving creme in my helmet, i remember carrying around someone helmet and pads through training camp/2 a days, I remember atomic balm in the jock strap...thats about as far as ours got though..

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2 minutes ago, CBennett said:

Im so glad i didnt grow up in this SOFT generation we are currently raising. I dont know what if anything happened and how serious it was i wish i knew so that I could seriously either say man that was WRONG   OR say man GTFO with this current day weak sauce mental frailty *****...but since I dont know I cant make a true statement on what I think. 

 

There is stuff that I would say is "mild" like shaving cream in a helmet,singing a song for the team, having to carry around a Senior players helmet,etc,etc

 

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

I remember the shaving creme in my helmet, i remember carrying around someone helmet and pads through training camp/2 a days, I remember atomic balm in the jock strap...thats about as far as ours got though..


so if your generation wasn’t fine with dropping nuts on your Chin would you be calling them soft?  Or would your generation be ok with Nuts being dropped on your chin?

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1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

The most shocking thing about all of this is that this thread hasn't been locked down yet! 😂

 

As for the "hazing", as others have said, it's a way different world than it was even 10 years ago, so a lot of the things us oldsters grew up with, and shrugged them off as "initiation rites" and/or harmless, now cause many snowflakes to need therapy or file lawsuits.

 

How many years before the stench of all those rancid taints and scrotums wore off the typical "oldster's" chin?

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35 minutes ago, CBennett said:

Then there is the more egregious physical stuff that really shouldn't be happening anymore

 

 

 

There's truth in this. Generally, anything that could cause physical harm shouldn't be allowed. But there IS an element in this society that wants ANYTHING remotely hazinglike removed from society because, well, they think they know better than everyone else.

 

 

 

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Just finished reading this thread and I'm shocked that in 2020 there are still people (yeah I'm looking at you JoshAllenHasBigHands), from whatever generation, who still think various forms of sexual harassment are mild forms of hazing.  Sexual harassment is sexual harassment.  Hazing is hazing.  Like Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart wrote about pornography, I may not know how to define it but I know it when I see it.  I guess you missed that day of Constitutional Law class at the highly ranked (sarcasm) Syracuse University College of Law.  Under what circumstances is "teabagging" a teammate ever acceptable?  I participated in high school sports, including football, and I have coached high school sports, including football, for many years, and I have never seen any form of hazing.  You know why, because the intelligent adults in the room made it clear that it would not be permitted or tolerated in any form!  I sure am glad that no one who ever coached my kids thought hazing, in any form, was okay.

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