DCbillsfan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: He benefitted from our defensive schemes that allowed him to get to the QB. He had a really good year. Let him test the market. There may just be somebody out there who wants to pay him 17 million a year. I doubt it. With Harrison and Ed coming back, I'm not sure we need him. For that matter, I say we cut loose Star. Not worth $10 million any more. We have Vincent Taylor ready to play too. But then again, we had a top 2 defense. Glad it's not my call. I think they keep Star one more year because his contract is still to big of a hit if they cut him. Agree with everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I have a feeling the Bills will let him walk. Hard to pay ? a guy top 3 money when we just drafted #9 overall at the same position and it looks like Ed Oliver is going to be a star in the league. Plus Horrible Harry will be back health and motivated next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Desperation move. Superman never had to tell anybody how strong he was. Good bye Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: This is why I don’t resign him. Not a “process” guy and if he gets his deal I see a lack of production I think he’s been a damn good process guy. The problem is, I think Beane is determined to be thrifty with the cap and Phillips has done enough to earn a payday. The problem is, where lines are concerned sometimes you get what you pay for 1 hour ago, FLFan said: He has been a very good pick up by the Bills. Beane and his staff are wizards. However, he is likely to get greatly overpaid by someone and that should not be the Bills. Oliver and Harry are the future, at DT and they can fill the rotation from there. Personally, I would rather see them retain Shaq and cut Murphy loose. That’s pretty much what Beane implied in his presser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I’m curious about where this ‘not good against the run’ theme comes from he gets pushed around bad, and basically freelances to get up the field. this got him a bunch of tfl and sacks, but cost as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, BuffaloBill963 said: JP strikes me as someone who will drop off the moment he gets a massive contract What about his play since arriving in Buffalo leads you to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Would have to look at the film for that, but pass rush win rate is based on beating your man before 2.5 seconds, so based on that, it would seem Phillips generally picked up his sacks on slower developing plays where coverage held up or pressure from other players forced the QB to step into Phillips. Ala Trent Murphy. Guy had 9 sacks the year before joining Bills. Watch him play and he does not look like a 9 sack guy you pay huge money for. But a solid player that just sticks around plays and sacks find him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I just compared Phillips with Donald over the last 6 years. Looks like the same guy if you throw out the first 5 seasons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: What about his play since arriving in Buffalo leads you to this? Hard to say it won’t when he was secure in a contract he loafed. In Buffalo he has had a series of 1 year contracts. now as much as I say when he was secure in a contract he loafed. (Seems in MIA a lot of players loaf) and I won’t take away that maybe being cut did humble him and show he does have to work and not take it for granted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Good for him. He deserves to maximize his earnings potential. It is a business after all. Unfortunately, as others have stated, that's a little too rich for us and the direction we are trying to go. I'd like to thank him for the last two years. He's been one hell of a teammate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said: I'm really excited about Harrison Phillips coming back. When he got injured our run defense sucked This notion needs to be put to bed. The Bills did not have a bad run defense this year. The Bills finished with the #10 ranked run defense in ypg. They were a top 10 defense in almost every metric that matters. I don't think you can say a top 10 performance sucks. 37 minutes ago, HomeTeam said: Good for him. He deserves to maximize his earnings potential. It is a business after all. Unfortunately, as others have stated, that's a little too rich for us and the direction we are trying to go. I'd like to thank him for the last two years. He's been one hell of a teammate. Yeah begrudgingly I am here. I don't see Buffalo breaking the bank for him. Maybe the market won't be what he thought it was and he will be back but I doubt it. His numbers are eye popping for the position. He finished 11th in the league in sacks for any position, 2nd at his position behind Aaron Donald playing way less snaps, someone is going to pay for that. I hope it isn't a rival or really anyone in the AFC lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Sounds like he's looking for Fletcher Cox type money ($17M AAV), or at the least Marcel Darius money ($14M AAV). Jordan Phillips has been more productive than Darius. Which Darius? 2013-2014 Darius? Or 2015 and later Darius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I mean maybe this is about the money but he seems to be taking more exception to the criticism of his play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, colin said: he gets pushed around bad, and basically freelances to get up the field. this got him a bunch of tfl and sacks, but cost as well. Curiously though after our run game disaster against Philly, Phillips saw his snap count jump from <50 to 60-70% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I’m curious about where this ‘not good against the run’ theme comes from There was a long thread about Lotulelei after the Eagles game where I sort of made the case against Phillips if you can dig it up. Basically he pretty much only plays gaps, has a terrific first step off the snap, and wants to get into the backfield before anyone gets hands on him. He loses against double teams, doesn't have a strong base and gets moved playing the run, and his lateral quickness isn't top quality. He's a very good penetrating 3tech but that's really it. Sometimes he will guess or freelance and lose leverage which hurts the LBs. He lacks either strength or willingness to do some of the dirty work McDermott needs from his DTs which is why I believe he will get a contract elsewhere. I'm actually hoping he does because he put in some good work here and deserves to get as much $$ as he can. An example of his below average play vs run: @6:47 Eagles have ball on BUF 4, first and goal. He gambles on splitting the double and gets immediately driven backwards and loses his base. Not only does Phillips losing vs the double team blow a hole in the defensive line (that the RB walks through for a TD), but it allows the C Kelce to get on Milano once Phillips is wiped out. This happens a significant amount of the times Phillips is asked to take on a double. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Not even close to a top 3 DT. Tag him and get one more year out of him and then let him walk. I know the tag is average of Top 5. It's fine to overpay for him for a year. Just don't commit to a massive signing bonus thT would eat cap space for years to come. Can't make same mistake they made with Star and Murphy, tying up years of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Which Darius? 2013-2014 Darius? Or 2015 and later Darius? Jordan Phillips has been more productive than the post 2015 Dareus and could make an argument for $14M AAV. The pre 2015 Dareus was better than J Phillips, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I am not interested in any player that uses social Media at contract time. The last Bill that did this was Marcell Dareus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampton Josh fan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Phillips should be resigned and Beane and Sean should send the message, if you produce, you are wanted and will get paid. He brings a nasty, physical attitude to the defense line. I also don't see a better free agency option for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Hampton Josh fan said: Phillips should be resigned and Beane and Sean should send the message, if you produce, you are wanted and will get paid. He brings a nasty, physical attitude to the defense line. I also don't see a better free agency option for the money. I do see better options. But I agree if he stays in his value range he should be re-signed. He goes into the 12M and higher range let him walk. Edited January 13, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 This doesn’t seem very “process” to me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: This doesn’t seem very “process” to me ? Not for me. I think he's got every right to publicly disagree w/an article like that in a contract year. He took a shot at the piece, not the Bills. I'd love him back at the right price, and also would 100% have no hard feelings about maximizing his value in FA with another team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I wont be surprised if Shaq and Phillip's are gone this year. They seem to be going the biggest payday vs starting with the team. I will be happy if we retain just one of them, understand if we dont though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I’m hoping for the 3rd rd comp pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Conlan93 said: $17,000,000 ???????? I think half of that would be fair , anything more then that good luck to him !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 let somebody else pay him top 3 money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 This team regardless of cap space can't afford to pay the money he is likely to get in FA by some sucker team. I like Phillips but he isn't worth that much as a rotational tackle. If he could do it all and stay on the field then maybe. The fact that he is a liability in the run game makes him worth far less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: I am not interested in any player that uses social Media at contract time. The last Bill that did this was Marcell Dareus that’s a dumb standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Would love to keep the band together but paying Jordan that kind of money is too risky. We might look back and regret letting him go, but I think we're more likely to regret paying him when we're going to have so many more great players to resign in the future. I say keep Shaq and let Phillips get a big contract elsewhere. No hard feelings. Thanks for the amazing year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Gone. Let him go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 7 hours ago, RyanC883 said: yeah, his numbers THIS YEAR. He's fantastic, but put his career numbers against other DT's. Totally different picture. No way we should pay him top 3 DT pay. I'd keep Lawson and draft a DT or get a FA DT as a rotational part. Exactly this year and his teammates had nothing to do with it. If he thinks he is that good sign a contract with incentives rather than being paid up front. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Is it ever a good look for a multi-millionaire to whine about money on social media? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, CheshireCT said: Is it ever a good look for a multi-millionaire to whine about money on social media? I know. Leave it to me on a whopping 28.5k a year to complain about cash money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 6 hours ago, MAJBobby said: 89M cap room, there is enough money to do whatever they want. I am not worried about that they could give Phillips 10M AVV and still go sign that top DE at 18M AVV but it sounds like he wont go for the 10---and some dumb team will give him 15 2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Jordan Phillips has been more productive than the post 2015 Dareus and could make an argument for $14M AAV. The pre 2015 Dareus was better than J Phillips, though. so one huge mistake justifies another?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, Tcali said: but it sounds like he wont go for the 10---and some dumb team will give him 15 so one huge mistake justifies another?? If you can sign Jordan Phillips at $10-12M AAV, do it. Much above that, I think he walks. Jordan Phillips will not be Dareus post 2015, if that is what you mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, RyanC883 said: yeah, his numbers THIS YEAR. He's fantastic, but put his career numbers against other DT's. Totally different picture. No way we should pay him top 3 DT pay. I'd keep Lawson and draft a DT or get a FA DT as a rotational part. And don't forget we still have Horrible Harry waiting in the wings. The smart move (and Beane is smart) is to find the NEXT Jordan Phillips. This year's Jordan Phillips will be way overpaid. Edited January 14, 2020 by BobChalmers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: The article isn’t incorrect and I don’t believe he will return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said: I wont be surprised if Shaq and Phillip's are gone this year. They seem to be going the biggest payday vs starting with the team. I will be happy if we retain just one of them, understand if we dont though. Beane will make a push to re-sign Shaq I believe. I think they have a value on Phillips and would welcome him back at that price, but they believe he can get more from someone else. McDermott is set on DT rotation and as a rotational piece, I don’t think his value to us is as high as it would be to another team. I don’t feel good about this - from what I can tell he’s been a vet leader in the DL room and on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 If you have to lobby the internet that hard...then you probably know your aren't really a top 3 DT.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, B-Man said: We're covered. . I hope so. Two ACL injuries make me wonder ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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