wiseman3 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 So far, Josh has had a better performance than any other QB not named Watson (and he still out gained him by a considerable margin of total yards). Brees, Brady, Tannehill, and Cousins have all been pretty bad. I guess my message is that the playoffs are an entire different beast. Allen gets absolutely ripped apart for his mistakes, yet when you compare him to all others so far, he may have had the 2nd best performance of the playoffs. Get him some weapons and another legit RB, and we're in business. 14 1 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 It seems like everyone is focused on a handful of bad plays. He didn't throw any picks, and made big plays all day. I have no worries about him or his future. He'll learn & get better. 17 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleSammy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Would I rather have paid Kirk Cousins $100M to be our QB or take Allen with some of his occasional hair pulling mistakes? I'll take Josh. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Maybe he can outplay everyone else next weekend 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Except Cousins who just exorcised his demons. Had never won a big game on TV before today. But I guess everyone should have given up on him after his second year. Brees too. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Except Cousins who just exorcised his demons. Had never won a big game on TV before today. But I guess everyone should have given up on him after his second year. Brees too. I like Allen............but that was a really bad take. Can't even compare Brees being a young QB in the early 2000's to being a young QB now and Cousins was a backup. The first year Cousins got the starting nod he had 70% completion % and over 4K yards and 29 passing TD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Watching guys like Tannehill and Cousins win playoff games behind a solid run game you can't help but be a little jealous about the way they built their offenses. Josh was asked to do more. So was Watson and he stood up to the challenge, but it's still a lot to ask of Josh both at this stage of his career and of his current skill set to be out there finishing 58 plays including runs, throws and sacks. Edited January 5, 2020 by VW82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: I like Allen............but that was a really bad take. Can't even compare Brees being a young QB in the early 2000's to being a young QB now and Cousins was a backup. The first year Cousins got the starting nod he had 70% completion % and over 4K yards and 29 passing TD's. Why can’t we compare a young Brees to Allen? Why can’t we say that it took Cousins a while to get to this signature win? Because you say so? To bail on a second year QB that got your teamnto the playoffs, to assume he can’t improve, is ridiculous. 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 59 minutes ago, wiseman3 said: So far, Josh has had a better performance than any other QB not named Watson (and he still out gained him by a considerable margin of total yards). Brees, Brady, Tannehill, and Cousins have all been pretty bad. I guess my message is that the playoffs are an entire different beast. Allen gets absolutely ripped apart for his mistakes, yet when you compare him to all others so far, he may have had the 2nd best performance of the playoffs. Get him some weapons and another legit RB, and we're in business. shhhh!? You’ll kill our buzzards buzz! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 You know what I'm jealous of is watching these receivers (Thielen, Thomas, Hopkins) and the catches they make to help the QB. John Brown had a nice year, but can't even execute a relatively simple toe drag. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Watching Josh Allen, you can't help but think of a young Brett Favre. Favre did the same bone headed things in games that got him traded out of Atlanta. I think Josh will get it together. It is up to Beane/McDermott to surround him with talent. I also feel like sometimes the HC has to go over to QB to reign him in sometimes. Mike Holmgren did so. 1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: You know what I'm jealous of is watching these receivers (Thielen, Thomas, Hopkins) and the catches they make to help the QB. John Brown had a nice year, but can't even execute a relatively simple toe drag. Also give props to TEs. Cook made multiple plays for Saints and Rudolph caught game winner. Kroft/Smith/Knox....crickets 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Allen was not the problem. Coaching lost us this game and McD can f off for calling out Allen after the game. Brown leaping out of bounds and williams dropping a TD on two beautiful passes by Allen also didn't help. Looking forward to next year when hopefully Daboll will be gone and we have some real NFL talent around him. 6 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Process said: Allen was not the problem. Coaching lost us this game and McD can f off for calling out Allen after the game. Brown leaping out of bounds and williams dropping a TD on two beautiful passes by Allen also didn't help. Looking forward to next year when hopefully Daboll will be gone and we have some real NFL talent around him. Allen was most certainly part of them problem yesterday. Saying he wasn’t is foolish denial. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I hope some people will watch these games and realize every QB makes bad plays. Even the best of the best like Brees, Mahomes and Rodgers. When you watch an entire game like you watch a Bills game you see that it’s a regular occurrence for QB’s to make a bad pass or get sacked. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Actually as of the end of the Saint game .. for the 6 starting QBs Most Passing Yards - Josh Allen 264 Most Rushing Yards - Josh Allen 92 Most Receiving Yards - Josh Allen 16 Was he amazing .. no, but for his 1st playoff game ... I would say pretty darn good Edited January 5, 2020 by CorkScrewHill 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Success said: It seems like everyone is focused on a handful of bad plays. He didn't throw any picks, and made big plays all day. I have no worries about him or his future. He'll learn & get better. He didn't throw any picks pretty much sums up how most people grade QB. Allen made more than a few amazing plays not many QBs in NFL history could make. The pass to Singletary on 3rd down was unreal. That said he threw some really late passes that were in the hands of the defense. Doesn't hurt the QB rating much but those should count when grading his play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Bangarang said: Allen was most certainly part of them problem yesterday. Saying he wasn’t is foolish denial. The QB is always going to be part of the problem as you say or the reason for success. When the team looses he is a problem when the team wins he is the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Allen was most certainly part of them problem yesterday. Saying he wasn’t is foolish denial. He had some really bad plays but nothing he can't correct. Coaches put him and the entire offense in terrible positions. Edited January 5, 2020 by Process 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Allen outplayed Watson for sure. I won't watch any other NFL game. For the same reason I don't watch WWF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Success said: It seems like everyone is focused on a handful of bad plays. He didn't throw any picks, and made big plays all day. I have no worries about him or his future. He'll learn & get better. It is Daboll that concerns me 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Look, I am not the biggest Allen supporter by any means, but man.....I think he's kind of getting some unfair criticism. He was nearly as good as it gets in the first half yesterday. Did he come unraveveled in the 2nd half a bit? Yes he did. He made some poor decisions and had some brutal plays that no NFL QB should ever make. But you know what else he did? He made a couple of absolutely WOW plays that maybe no other NFL QB could make. He has a LONG way to go to establish himself as a franchise QB, but what he did yesterday in his first career playoff start, in his 2nd year in the NFL was ok. Lots of highs and lows. He's 23 years old. A kid with the weight of his team and a city that cares like no other on his shoulders and he laid it all on the line yesterday, and all season for that matter. He took a great step forward this year and, if he works hard this offeseason, and makes the same size step forward that he did this year, we might be looking at a top 10 QB in the league next year. He needs to manage his emotions better. He needs to make better decisions. He needs to make better throws at times. He has to be better on the deep balls. And he needs more talent around him to help him do those things. Don't kid yourself.....this was not a complete team yet. The offense still needs a lot more high end talent on it. The offense does not have 1 legitimate star on it as of right now. So yeah....he had terrible moments yesterday, but he also put the team in a position to have a chance to win, and probably should have. But if you can't see the steps he has taken this year, I don't know what to tell you. But let's wait 1 more year to see if he makes that leap forward before running him out of here. He has his moments where he may look like it, but he's not the same QB that he was at Wyoming. He's come a long way from where he was a couple years ago and hopefully, for all of our sakes, he takes that next big step next season. Edited January 5, 2020 by sven233 3 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, sven233 said: Look, I am not the biggest Allen supporter by any means, but man.....I think he's kind of getting some unfair criticism. He was nearly as good as it gets in the first half yesterday. Did he come unraveveled in the 2nd half a bit? Yes he did. He made some poor decisions and had some brutal plays that no NFL QB should ever make. But you know what else he did? He made a couple of absolutely WOW plays that maybe no other NFL QB could make. He has a LONG way to go to establish himself as a franchise QB, but what he did yesterday in his first career playoff start, in his 2nd year in the NFL was ok. Lots of highs and lows. He's 23 years old. A kid with the weight of his team and a city that cares like no other and he laid it all on the line yesterday, and all season for that matter. He took a great step forward this year and, if he works hard this offeseason, and makes the same size step forward that he did this year, we might be looking at a top 10 QB in the league next year. He needs to manage his emotions better. He needs to make better decisions. He needs to make better throws at times. He has to be better on the deep balls. And he needs more talent around him to help him do those things. So yeah....he had terrible moments yesterday, but he also put the team in a position to have a chance to win, and probably should have. But if you can't see the steps he has taken this year, I don't know what to tell you. But let's wait 1 more year to see if he makes that leap forward. Spot on post. Just give him 3 players on O and he is golden going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Actually as of the end of the Saint game .. for the 6 starting QBs Most Passing Yards - Josh Allen 264 Most Rushing Yards - Josh Allen 92 Most Receiving Yards - Josh Allen 16 Was he amazing .. no, but for his 1st playoff game ... I would say pretty darn good it was a combination of braindead playcalling, terrible oline play and lack of talent at WR position. Allen did the best he could. people blaming our defense when we held a top 5 experienced QB to 19 points while we had a 2nd year project QB in his first playoff game on the road. had we scored 1 more TD in the fist half the game would have been over. Daboll forced Allen to throw too much. just like he did in both NE games, in the Ravens game and in the Browns game. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 He was awful, has no chance to develop and was the primary reason the Bills lost their playoff game. I read it here on the boards. No reason to follow the team until he’s replaced; what a mess. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I hope some people will watch these games and realize every QB makes bad plays. Even the best of the best like Brees, Mahomes and Rodgers. When you watch an entire game like you watch a Bills game you see that it’s a regular occurrence for QB’s to make a bad pass or get sacked. Yeah. I remember about a dozen times this year when Rodgers threw the ball randomly backwards to nobody for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Allen was most certainly part of them problem yesterday. Saying he wasn’t is foolish denial. Hey man, this place is all about foolish denial with regard to Allen. He's by far the most important person in this organization right now, and he's not very good. Pretending he isn't the problem isn't going to improve the situation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, wiseman3 said: So far, Josh has had a better performance than any other QB not named Watson (and he still out gained him by a considerable margin of total yards). Brees, Brady, Tannehill, and Cousins have all been pretty bad. I guess my message is that the playoffs are an entire different beast. Allen gets absolutely ripped apart for his mistakes, yet when you compare him to all others so far, he may have had the 2nd best performance of the playoffs. Get him some weapons and another legit RB, and we're in business. Get the man a catching speed back or revitalize Yeldon, 2 upgraded really talented WRs that can separate and have a catch radius bigger than a frisbee, have knox catch balls all off season until his hands bleed, find a new bruiser back under 50 years old, have Singletary live in Beebees house of speed all summer and then design an offense around his ability to hit frozen ropes all over the field horizontally where it can come out fast and Watch him flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Nextmanup said: Hey man, this place is all about foolish denial with regard to Allen. He's by far the most important person in this organization right now, and he's not very good. Pretending he isn't the problem isn't going to improve the situation. Pretending he is the only issue and incapable of improvement is what is foolish 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Billl said: Yeah. I remember about a dozen times this year when Rodgers threw the ball randomly backwards to nobody for no reason. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is why Atlanta didn't win Super Bowls with Brett Favre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: You know what I'm jealous of is watching these receivers (Thielen, Thomas, Hopkins) and the catches they make to help the QB. John Brown had a nice year, but can't even execute a relatively simple toe drag. That missed toe drag and Dukes dropped td really hurt. Alot of people failed yesterday in all sorts of different circumstances. Players & Coaches. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I don't know if I'd rank his performance at #2: Watson: 20/25, 247 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 14/55 rush (1 TD), 1 Fumble/0 lost Cousins: 19/31, 242 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 2/-1 rush Brees: 26/33, 208 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 1/5 rush, 1 Fumble/1 lost Allen: 24/46, 264 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 9/92 rush, 1/16 rec yds (1 TD), 2 Fumbles/1 lost Brady: 20/37, 209 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT Tannehill: 8/15, 72 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 4/11 rush, 2 Fumbles/0 lost Stats aren't everything, but reading the above I'd say he was behind Watson and Cousins, and on par with Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Allen wasn’t the problem yesterday. He should’ve never thrown the ball more than 30 times, not with the way Singletary was running. Yeldon shouldve been active as well, those two would’ve combined would provided a much needed boost in the short passing game, knowing the Texans were going to try and pressure Allen into mistakes. This team could’ve won the east with better in game decision making throughout the year, not just yesterday, as well as actually dressing the best players come game day (Duke and Yeldon almost all season). I love McDermott’s methods of preparing these guys, keeping them healthy, and getting them to buy into the “team” concept, hard to do with young millionaires. I have no problems with the way the defense is called 99.9% of the time (3rd and 18!!!!), but his in game management (of the clock, playing not to lose, refusal to get away from slow plodding veteran backs - Tolbert, Ivory, Gore), and just the complete lack of consistent production on the offensive side of the ball in his entire tenure with Buffalo is concerning. I like to think he still has room to grow as a coach, but I was definitely taken by surprise in his post game comments where he seemingly deflected much of the blame. I am starting to wonder if we aren’t hitting the McDermott ceiling. He’ll have atleast until the end of Josh’s rookie deal to prove he can make this team a legit contender. sorry, still in a ranty sorta mood I guess. I forgot what it feels like to watch your team choke this hard in the playoffs. Edited January 5, 2020 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is why Atlanta didn't win Super Bowls with Brett Favre. Favre threw 4 passes for Atlanta in his career. There is no correlation to their situations. He was a pro bowler his first year as a starter. Edited January 5, 2020 by Billl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Allen will get better this offseason. I feel confident in that. Beane will also upgrade the OL, which it needs, and get Allen a WR, which he needs. I can at least enjoy the playoffs now with Brady and the Patriots out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: That missed toe drag and Dukes dropped td really hurt. Alot of people failed yesterday in all sorts of different circumstances. Players & Coaches. After watching other playoff teams it's really astounding the playmakers they have. We're just not good enough yet to beat good playoff teams regularly. Those playmakers make a difference at that level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Billl said: Yeah. I remember about a dozen times this year when Rodgers threw the ball randomly backwards to nobody for no reason. That was an ugly, dangerous play, but it had absolutely no impact on the game whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, LittleSammy said: Would I rather have paid Kirk Cousins $100M to be our QB or take Allen with some of his occasional hair pulling mistakes? I'll take Josh. Maybe so. But Cousins won today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman3 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Even his "pitch" to Knox actually ended up helping us big time. The clock stopped. Otherwise we loss about 10 seconds and maybe we dont have time to kick the field goal. Who knows, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Billl said: Favre threw 4 passes for Atlanta in his career. There is no correlation to their situations. He was a pro bowler his first year as a starter. Yeah. Check his second vs. third year as a starter. He improved. Another nail in the coffin of that other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: I don't know if I'd rank his performance at #2: Watson: 20/25, 247 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 14/55 rush (1 TD), 1 Fumble/0 lost Cousins: 19/31, 242 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 2/-1 rush Brees: 26/33, 208 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 1/5 rush, 1 Fumble/1 lost Allen: 24/46, 264 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 9/92 rush, 1/16 rec yds (1 TD), 2 Fumbles/1 lost Brady: 20/37, 209 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT Tannehill: 8/15, 72 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 4/11 rush, 2 Fumbles/0 lost Stats aren't everything, but reading the above I'd say he was behind Watson and Cousins, and on par with Brees. I’d put Allen ahead of Brees and just after Watson and Cousins thus far. Brees threw an INT and fumbled. He threw a TD and Allen caught one. Brees has Michael Thomas .Allen’s not better than Brees, but he had a somewhat better performance. Edited January 5, 2020 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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