Trent Murphy bonus

[Locomark]

He will only be back if we can’t get Lawson at a decent price or getting a quality FA. We all know we are also likely drafting a DE in the first 3 rounds if not also chasing one in FA. 

[peterpan]

55 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

We got 11.5 sacks between him and Lawson at that DE position on the year. That's actually pretty damn good.

Yea but it's not like they rotated between the same spot.  They were both on the field quite often.  Those two and Hughes were the only DEs we really used.  Then Lorax came in at times but not really at DE. 

[fansince88]

1 hour ago, Chicharito said:

My Father in law works for the bills and just told me that when Trent got his 2nd sack today he earned a 1 million dollar bonus. I can’t believe he made a bonus at 5 sacks in a season. This guy really got the bills for a crap ton of money .

From what I see from the organization. Your FIL is not going to be around very long if he keeps telling you stuff

[Slack_in_MA]

39 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Indeed.

 

I really think that there's potential to get some big-name EDGE guys in trades this offseason.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if any of Calais Campbell, Von Miller, or Chandler Jones got moved.

Chandler Jones is in running for DPOY. Really think he'll get moved?

[BobbyC81]

50 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

No, he continually got beat in run plays and was unable to hold the edge . The sacks he got were coverage sacks. Sorry, I’m not a pitch fork fan. I watch games and analyze what I see. Murphy has no jump off the ball and he can’t control the point of attach on run plays. He isn’t worth $7mil and no Hughes isn’t worth $11.5 mil probably. But with the cap amounts constantly creeping up, salaries will too. Personally I’d love to see the Bills address DE in the draft very early as well as FA. I trust Beane to do the right thing.

Did you watch today’s game?  On his second sack, he tossed the tight end aside and blind-sided Darnold.

[Irv]

3 minutes ago, ColeB said:

Did you watch today’s game?  On his second sack, he tossed the tight end aside and blind-sided Darnold.

Key words:  Tight End.   Then he did the “raining money” thing.  Kind of lame in my opinion if he did that because of the bonus. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 minutes ago, ColeB said:

Did you watch today’s game?  On his second sack, he tossed the tight end aside and blind-sided Darnold.

How long did it take him to get to Darnold? Honest question. 

[Real McClappy]

13 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Yea but it's not like they rotated between the same spot.  They were both on the field quite often.  Those two and Hughes were the only DEs we really used.  Then Lorax came in at times but not really at DE. 

Not typical at all though. 

 

Johnson/Lorax normally spell Hughes and Lawson for Murphy.

[BobbyC81]

5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

How long did it take him to get to Darnold? Honest question. 

He flew in there pretty quick to me.  My point is it wasn’t a coverage sack as you stated.

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 minutes ago, ColeB said:

He flew in there pretty quick to me.  My point is it wasn’t a coverage sack as you stated.

Ok. He had a good sack. How many others has he had that way? How many tackles has he beaten? 
Murphy is an ok player. I’d rather see the money applied towards Lawson and then a draft pick. Maybe another FA depending on how other things shake out.

[Niagara Dude]

45 minutes ago, MJS said:

Murphy doesn't get paid that much...

I bet the Bills move on,  they need better sack production and he is terrible against the run.  Bills will save 7.2 million by cutting him with only 1.7 dead money,

 

Why pay 9 mill for medicore production ,  i mean he got a total of 3 sacks in games that meant something.  Today's sacks were garbage time sacks in game that meant nothing.

 

$8,950,000

$1,750,000

$7,200,000

Edited December 30, 2019 by Niagara Dude

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

A crap ton of money?

 

Trent Murphy makes $7M AAV and had 5 sacks in a rotational role for Buffalo.

 

By contrast, Trey Flowers makes $18M AAV and had 7 sacks for Detroit in a full-time role.

 

Trent is generally paid on par with his production--he doesn't make a crap ton relative to his position.

Thank you for explaining to out....as I was always under the impression that he made a lot of money for his production.

 

I guess my question is......does he give us anything that DE 7th round pick Johnson does not?   I want very badly up upgrade this pass rush from our DE's

[thebandit27]

19 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Chandler Jones is in running for DPOY. Really think he'll get moved?

 

I think it's possible for sure.

 

He's going to be 30 next season, he has a $21.3M cap hit, and they're a team that hasn't historically valued their defensive linemen.

[MJS]

12 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I bet the Bills move on,  they need better sack production and he is terrible against the run.  Bills will save 7.2 million by cutting him with only 1.7 dead money,

 

Why pay 9 mill for medicore production ,  i mean he got a total of 3 sacks in games that meant something.  Today's sacks were garbage time sacks in game that meant nothing.

 

$8,950,000

$1,750,000

$7,200,000

These days that's cheap starter money unless you are on a rookie deal.

[brianthomas]

I've said this a bunch of times but I havent been a fan of the Murphy signing since day one & im sure Beane will look to improve DE during the offseason. If he can find an upgrade he'll move on from Trent for sure. Me personally i hope he does. He's only had 1 good year in his career back in 2016, other than that he's done what he's done here with us. We're paying $7 mil now $9mil for a guy who before today had 33 tackles & 3 sacks. Perhaps you think thats money well spent, but i'm pretty sure we can do better.

 

As others have stated, he's not that great in stopping the run. He doesnt set the edge well & gets pushed back often & is pretty slow for a DE. While rushing the passer he doesnt seem to get his hands up enough to deflect passes either. Not to mention that he's often hurt & not even on the field a quarter of the time. He may have gotten sacks today, but it was a meaningless game. If you're paying someone that kinda money, you'd like them to have an impact when games matter. Not just when getting a couple sacks vs the Jets will get you a nice bonus check.

 

As always I hope he tears it up for us because we need him to. But if we have a chance to move on from him i hope we jump at it.

[SmokinES3]

5 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

He made 7mill this year and out produced Hughes who made 11.5mill.

 

Bills fans love to pitch fork one or 2 players with zero context.

Out producing Jerry on paper maybe. Not on film.

 

Murphy doesn't have the explosion he had before the ACL. It's obvious from watching some Redskins tape. He's a decent edge rusher for sure. IDK about 9 million going into his age 30 season though. I doubt he'll be back at that number.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Murphy makes about half what a top 10 DE would make. He's a fine rotation guy. Hopefully we can get Shaq signed up at a similar price.

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

we have a TON to spend. If drafting Both WR and DE, where are you spending?

Not that many good options out there in FA.  Maybe use that money to extend White, Poyer, Milano, and Dawkins.  Resign Lawson, Phillips, and Spain (preference is in that order) if you can make it work contract wise.

[GreggTX]

T Murphy is the personification of 'average'. The DE position will be interesting to follow this offseason. I think both Murphy and Shaq could be gone in '20.

[Chandler#81]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Not that many good options out there in FA.  Maybe use that money to extend White, Poyer, Milano, and Dawkins.  Resign Lawson, Phillips, and Spain (preference is in that order) if you can make it work contract wise.

For me, this is the great debate. I’m thrilled with this season, but by late preseason I believed we could be a 10-12 win team. While we achieved this, the manner in which we did concerns me. We played poorly enough to lose to @NYJ/NYG & Tenn, Mia & Cinci, barely winning those games and squeaking by @Pittsburgh & Miami at home. A star-kissed season if ever there were one for the Bills. Point being that very few players should consider themselves a lock going forward. At this time, we think they’re good, but only because we won many close games. Minus Tre’, I hope all extension contracts center around production with fat bonus and a back door out. 

We’re average with upside. We still need improved talent.

[SydneyBillsFan]

Whilst i am not as set on cutting him as some, i would rather give his allocated money to Jordan Phillips and draft a DE in the first 2 rounds.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Chicharito said:

My Father in law works for the bills and just told me that when Trent got his 2nd sack today he earned a 1 million dollar bonus. I can’t believe he made a bonus at 5 sacks in a season. This guy really got the bills for a crap ton of money .

 

and he will still be here next year, take that haters.

 

 

7 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Say what you want Trent had a good season.   He will be back next year. 

 

Thank you. The hate for him is ridiculous he was never expected to be a superstar and isnt paid like one either. He's a solid player who does his job and contributes to this team unlike some other players.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Thank you. The hate for him is ridiculous he was never expected to be a superstar and isnt paid like one either. He's a solid player who does his job and contributes to this team unlike some other players.

 

While a risk at the time -due to major injury recovery and a PED bust, he Was an expected superstar. He was great @ Washington before the injury and suspension. Those are the reasons they opted not to extend him. He was a high risk/high reward. 

Now fully healthy and evidently clean, he’s merely run of the mill average. It can now be assumed that him being high on performance enhancers was the reason for his 10 sack season. 

This alone is reason for dislike, if not hate.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

While a risk at the time -due to major injury recovery and a PED bust, he Was an expected superstar. He was great @ Washington before the injury and suspension. Those are the reasons they opted not to extend him. He was a high risk/high reward. 

Now fully healthy and evidently clean, he’s merely run of the mill average. It can now be assumed that him being high on performance enhancers was the reason for his 10 sack season. 

This alone is reason for dislike, if not hate.

 

Nope take all the PEDS you can , laws against such are made by stupid politicians who brainwash people into thinking they are bad.

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

You can't be elite at every position. He's as good or slightly better than replacement IMO. How much he gets paid doesn't matter unless it handicaps the team's salary cap. If it doesn't, then it's a personal issue between the fan and how much money another person makes. 

 

It is about efficient use of resources. If Murphy is on the Bills next year he is a $9m cap hit. If he isn't he is a $1.75m cap hit. So the question is can you generate more production spending that $7.25m elsewhere. My answer is a resounding yes. 

[Doc Brown]

33 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

For me, this is the great debate. I’m thrilled with this season, but by late preseason I believed we could be a 10-12 win team. While we achieved this, the manner in which we did concerns me. We played poorly enough to lose to @NYJ/NYG & Tenn, Mia & Cinci, barely winning those games and squeaking by @Pittsburgh & Miami at home. A star-kissed season if ever there were one for the Bills. Point being that very few players should consider themselves a lock going forward. At this time, we think they’re good, but only because we won many close games. Minus Tre’, I hope all extension contracts center around production with fat bonus and a back door out. 

We’re average with upside. We still need improved talent.

It's a good question although this defense has performed well against few high scoring offenses we've played (Ravens, Cowboys).  Does the elevated play of Lawson and Phillips (who both are well aware they're on prove it years contract wise) makes you hesitate given their subpar performance before this season.  Is that because of a soft schedule and extra motivation from a contract year?  I look at players like Tre, Poyer, Dawkins, and Milano who've performed consistently well for the most part since they've got here as more safe to extend.  You make them your priority as you want to keep as many core young players to this team as possible.  Lawson impressed me against the Ravens and I'd prioritize over Phillips given our depth at DT.  If we choose to pay big money for a DE pass rusher then both pry won't get resigned.

 

At the same time you want to improve your offense and getting big name free agents here have been difficult over the years.  You're pry going to have to find a WR in the draft.  There's upgrades at OT/Guard available  but you're going to have to pay a pretty penny to get one of them.  I can also see this regime paying modest money for a veteran in between the tackles RB to replace Gore.

 

It will be an interesting offseason but I think you'll see a lot more extensions from Beane than new FA signings.

[BuffaloSol]

8 hours ago, CommonCents said:

What’s the definition of a perfect rotation guy? A guy you wouldn’t pay starters money too? 

Yes you can't have the best player in the league at every position this isn't Madden.

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is about efficient use of resources. If Murphy is on the Bills next year he is a $9m cap hit. If he isn't he is a $1.75m cap hit. So the question is can you generate more production spending that $7.25m elsewhere. My answer is a resounding yes. 

 

This is an excellent point.  I guess my question is at what point do you know that and how is it determined.  My guess is that the Bills will not cut him during the off-season unless they are sure they have upgraded (see Clowney, etc.) and they need the money.  I believe he goes into training camp as part of a rotation with Hughes, Johnson, a new draft pick, and maybe whatever DE they sign or re-sign (ex Lawson).  
 

I expect that one of the higher priced veterans (Murphy or Hughes) will be released at cut down depending on the talent and play, but I suspect they will let them battle it out in preseason- in case of injury.  I do not think they want to create a hole until they are sure it is filled.  The other thought is if they feel Eddie got better on the PS - and think he is capable of filling Lawson’s rotation - then maybe you cut Murphy and shoot for a top end FA, but I feel they would rather play it safe with the known than risk getting someone top end that doesn’t fit the 1 of 11 and creates attitude.  I think they would prefer to find that high end - elite talent in the draft and mold him into their system.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This is an excellent point.  I guess my question is at what point do you know that and how is it determined.  My guess is that the Bills will not cut him during the off-season unless they are sure they have upgraded (see Clowney, etc.) and they need the money.  I believe he goes into training camp as part of a rotation with Hughes, Johnson, a new draft pick, and maybe whatever DE they sign or re-sign (ex Lawson).  
 

I expect that one of the higher priced veterans (Murphy or Hughes) will be released at cut down depending on the talent and play, but I suspect they will let them battle it out in preseason- in case of injury.  I do not think they want to create a hole until they are sure it is filled.  The other thought is if they feel Eddie got better on the PS - and think he is capable of filling Lawson’s rotation - then maybe you cut Murphy and shoot for a top end FA, but I feel they would rather play it safe with the known than risk getting someone top end that doesn’t fit the 1 of 11 and creates attitude.  I think they would prefer to find that high end - elite talent in the draft and mold him into their system.

 

It is a fair point on Hughes. I didn't like the contract we gave him in the offseason as much as most (despite how good he was in 2018) because pass rushers at his age decline and some hit the wall quickly. Hughes has not hit the wall this year. That is the good news. But there has been an obvious drop off in his play from 2018. His numbers were down across the board - sacks, pressures, QB hits, and tackles for loss. He was outperformed by Shaq Lawson in every one of those categories despite playing about 180 extra snaps. The problem with cutting Hughes is that because of that extension he costs the Bills more if he is not on the team in 2020 than he does if he is on the team ($10.85m as opposed to $9.5m). So Hughes is basically on the team next year (though surely not as an every down player).

[bmur66]

Good for Murph

[dave mcbride]

13 hours ago, CommonCents said:

What’s the definition of a perfect rotation guy? A guy you wouldn’t pay starters money too? 

As I have said elsewhere, why do any Bills fans care if the player makes money given that they are $90+ million under the cap. 
 

Murphy is a good player who had a solid season. He’s not elite, but he’s not being paid elite money. He’s being paid solid-veteran money.

[Da webster guy]

Right now all that matters is he had a productive game and is healthy going into the playoffs.   The money is meaningless, we're going on the road to win a playoff game in 5 days.

[ganesh]

13 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Why, perfect rotation guy...

Yup.  Thee Bills will be forced to let Shaq Lawson go and sign Phillips.  They will have to look for a DE in the draft.

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Not that many good options out there in FA.  Maybe use that money to extend White, Poyer, Milano, and Dawkins.  Resign Lawson, Phillips, and Spain (preference is in that order) if you can make it work contract wise.

you could do the heavy lifting and still have leftover if you want

[LABILLBACKER]

Are any of you guys paying attention? On run support he's worse than Kelsay. I want him and Jerry upgraded. 

[Jay free]

I agree that Trent Murphy is overpaid, by a large margin, and that he gets beat on coverage, edge, and misdirection plays. We need younger and more elite def ends. Keep Shaq, love, Johnson, and let's go get us a free agent that can ball.....Jerry, Trent, star, ....gotta go

 

[colin]

trent and shak are fine.  shak is worth more, and i hope we keep him, but trent isn't that bad at all.  our D scheme has waves of DL coming at the O and keeps linebackers in there (with interchangable positions for two of them) all day.  if milano and edwards can cut out the mistakes their elite skills could put them over and our front 7 ends up being pretty monster.

 

as far as shak and more topically trent go, i'd be good with keeping both, neither, or something inbetween.  im confident our FO can find DL talent.  the only thing that would really super charge our D is a high level CB2 (not so much of a need, but look what it's doing in baltimore) or most importantly a game changing disruptive pass rushing DE.  if clowney is there i say we grab him and just blow up pass plays while rushing four.

 

if you recall, in carolina McD had those two LBs who were money, that one CB who left for washington and fell off, but they were at their most disgusting when they had short at DT (for us that's ed oliver) and the KRAKEN hardy at DE.  to me clowney could be that guy and would be a sick monster in our rotation.

[Antonio]

For me it is like this:

I want the Bills to re-sign Shaq, and if keeping Murphy means we can´t beacuse we have too much money at DE, then cut Murphy or ask him to re do his deal to have more money available por Shaq. 

[CommonCents]

5 hours ago, BuffaloSol said:

Yes you can't have the best player in the league at every position this isn't Madden.

This is so weak, is it an attempt at humor? It goes well with the guy under yours “why do fans care about the money the Bills have 90 million” 

 

The Bills have money freed up now so they should spend it on average or replaceable players and not worry about it? Come on.

 

Murphy is robotic, slow, and has the worst play recognition of any DE I have watched this season. That’s very little value.

 

Peoole are now excited because he bumped his sack total with a few meaningless ones in week 17? How quickly we forget week 16 when he was running past screens and counters like he was wearing a blindfold.

 

Maybe some people like Trent, maybe he is a great guy, I just don’t see him adding value to a team that’s making a run. 

[CaptnCoke11]

14 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Why, perfect rotation guy...

Come on now we need All Pros at every position and back ups.. At least that’s what I’m told on here